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mostlytossas 21st Jan 2022 01:23

Hate to rain on your parade but here in SA word on the street is the majority of the population wishes SA would do the same though probably too late now. Since the borders were opened the city is deserted, traders are complaining about no customers and/or staff as too many are off due to being a close contact. Flights are being cancelled and shops closed because of the above. Consensus now is it is worse than when we had borders closed and brief lock downs to control it. Phrase often used is that this has back fired on the State and Federal government and big business that pushed the "let it rip " scenario in the first place. Just saying.

Ladloy 21st Jan 2022 01:33


Originally Posted by mostlytossas (Post 11172938)
Hate to rain on your parade but here in SA word on the street is the majority of the population wishes SA would do the same though probably too late now. Since the borders were opened the city is deserted, traders are complaining about no customers and/or staff as too many are off due to being a close contact. Flights are being cancelled and shops closed because of the above. Consensus now is it is worse than when we had borders closed and brief lock downs to control it. Phrase often used is that this has back fired on the State and Federal government and big business that pushed the "let it rip " scenario in the first place. Just saying.

Same in Tasmania which has an economy built on tourism. Locals are furious.

Lead Balloon 21st Jan 2022 01:36

A big problem in SA - I've back and forward many times in the last few years - is that the 'locals' were lulled by the low infection numbers into going lax on the mitigation strategies. If I had a buck for each time I saw someone with his or her nose hanging out of the top of a mask, failure by a business to insist on check in and no social distancing during my most recent visit, I'd be very rich. A complete change from the previous visit.

The East coast has just about reached the end of the beginning of the practical long-term response to the pandemic. SA will catch up in the next couple of months. Standby for many more deaths.

The sovereign nation of WA? Who knows. I suppose it will depend on if and when the money runs out.

travelator 21st Jan 2022 01:47

The problem is not the virus, it’s the ridiculous arbitrary isolation requirements. I caught it, was sick enough to have one day off work. But no, I had to take a week off, as did my wife. What should have been a single day loss of productivity became 10, multiple this by 100,000 people per day and it’s no wonder the country is coming apart at the seams.

All for a deadly killer virus that was subdued by a couple of Panadol.

vne165 21st Jan 2022 02:26

McGowan has crab-walked away from a decision that has been set in stone for months. Hundreds of thousands of individuals and tens of thousands of businesses have planned around this hard date.
He has done this because either;
- He knows the virus is in the community and cannot be stopped. So he doesn't want to be blamed for this due to open borders (The Dre theorem), or
- He is deluded into thinking he can control it and will shortly return the good burghers of WA (who have done everything asked of them and more) back into lockdown, as open borders would have precluded this.

Either option is cynical, politically expedient and a disgrace.
There is white-hot seething anger amongst the many folks I engage with in WA.

You cannot hold a compact of the sort he did, imploring all that was needed was to meet a vaccination rate threshold, and then renege without consequence.
His electoral goose is cooked I suspect and hope.

The remainder of the country has lanced the boil, as unpleasant as that is in the short term.
WA must lance it too, eventually. The can cannot be kicked down the road forever.

ChrisJ800 21st Jan 2022 02:28

Im in Tassie. At least before the border opening we locals were able to go to restaurants and pubs and do some support of local tourism. Now since the 'Opening' every time you step outside you are conducting a risk assessment on when you will catch covid or be a close contact needing a personal lockdown. Ive had enough and heading to Philippines next month. At least there they have built free quarantine facilities designed with fresh air in mind and lots of outside walking around by inmates. Better than being locked into a hotel room where you cant open windows.

BuzzBox 21st Jan 2022 02:34


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11172940)
The sovereign nation of WA? Who knows. I suppose it will depend on if and when the money runs out.

What money would that be?

Clare Prop 21st Jan 2022 03:06


Originally Posted by travelator (Post 11172942)
The problem is not the virus, it’s the ridiculous arbitrary isolation requirements. I caught it, was sick enough to have one day off work. But no, I had to take a week off, as did my wife. What should have been a single day loss of productivity became 10, multiple this by 100,000 people per day and it’s no wonder the country is coming apart at the seams.

All for a deadly killer virus that was subdued by a couple of Panadol.

Absolute lunacy, 12 staff from Fiona Stanley hospital in 14 days iso because a positive guy went to the ED.
Good luck finding panadol, I can only function with osteoarthritis with Neurofen, unable to find either on the shelves because of people panic buying. Not fun trying to get around at the moment.
However am glad he is taking a more gradual approach to opening the borders for now because once Pandora's box is opened that's it.
If Gladys and her successor hadn't made such a mess of things perhaps we wouldn't be in this situation now.

vne165 21st Jan 2022 03:09

It's already been opened Clare. Too late.

SOPS 21st Jan 2022 03:27


Originally Posted by vne165 (Post 11172947)
McGowan has crab-walked away from a decision that has been set in stone for months. Hundreds of thousands of individuals and tens of thousands of businesses have planned around this hard date.
He has done this because either;
- He knows the virus is in the community and cannot be stopped. So he doesn't want to be blamed for this due to open borders (The Dre theorem), or
- He is deluded into thinking he can control it and will shortly return the good burghers of WA (who have done everything asked of them and more) back into lockdown, as open borders would have precluded this.

Either option is cynical, politically expedient and a disgrace.
There is white-hot seething anger amongst the many folks I engage with in WA.

You cannot hold a compact of the sort he did, imploring all that was needed was to meet a vaccination rate threshold, and then renege without consequence.
His electoral goose is cooked I suspect and hope.

The remainder of the country has lanced the boil, as unpleasant as that is in the short term.
WA must lance it too, eventually. The can cannot be kicked down the road forever.

I would say it’s very polarising. Because lots of people I engage with think it’s a great plan to stay shut.. while others hate it. I don’t know of anyone ‘sitting on the fence”.

tossbag 21st Jan 2022 03:34


If Gladys and her successor hadn't made such a mess of things perhaps we wouldn't be in this situation now.
What mess would that be?

Living in lala land, McGowan has done a great job convincing you all that you're Peter Pan and can live forever. Hate to break it to you, but humans die. Humans may even die from a respiratory virus when they have one or several co-morbidities, which are the overwhelming majority of deaths.

In NSW, VIC and now QLD you can choose to live on your feet or die on your knees.

It is possible to avoid the virus by choosing not to go out to high risk venues or areas, washing your hands, wearing a mask, being considerate. It's great to have a choice.

Lala land is convinced it is chaos on the East Coast, you are getting filtered news, news that picks and chooses the narrative. The facts are rare. There is no chaos here, you can travel interstate, overseas. Apart from the ridiculous remnants of the fear campaign, life is pretty good. The East has accepted that you can't eliminate a virus, the west believes in fairytales.

Torukmacto 21st Jan 2022 03:49


Originally Posted by ChrisJ800 (Post 11172948)
Im in Tassie. At least before the border opening we locals were able to go to restaurants and pubs and do some support of local tourism. Now since the 'Opening' every time you step outside you are conducting a risk assessment on when you will catch covid or be a close contact needing a personal lockdown. Ive had enough and heading to Philippines next month. At least there they have built free quarantine facilities designed with fresh air in mind and lots of outside walking around by inmates. Better than being locked into a hotel room where you cant open windows.

Im living in Philippines , just getting over covid ( no big deal ) , omnicron is part of life , people moving around , life is good , I don’t listen to news so no idea what politicians are saying . Good luck getting here .

logansi 21st Jan 2022 05:09

What a lot of people who get upseat about the current situation in QLD, SA, Tassie don't seem to understand is that the same thing will happen when WA opens up, that could be today, it could be February 5th or it could be July. Omicron will rip through WA like the Eastern states at some point in time. Wouldn't it be better for the nation if we all did it together?

Angle of Attack 21st Jan 2022 05:13

It’s obviously a fairly even split about 50/50 on the opinion of people in WA, either very happy to stay closed or completely against it.
WA provides only 15% of National GDP and if their borders stay closed it’s still a win for the Nation as royalties go to the whole country as well.
They should just keep it closed and then 50% will be happy and it’s tough for the other 50% but just start working on voting him out. McGowan was just talking now and he portraying that it is some type dystopian hell anywhere east WA. I just got back from the States, took the kids to Disneyland,
was a great trip, and get news that WA has done this, they need to get out into the world and see their policy is really only being pursued in China and Hong Kong. Feel sorry for the families that still can’t reunite. I see there will be more exemptions on Compassionate grounds, exemption equal a ton of red tape if anyone has had anything to do with travel to WA the last 2 years. QF should just give up on the Perth -London flights from now on, if any new variant comes along it will be back to the closing credits of Get Smart, all the doors again will close to WA.

Xeptu 21st Jan 2022 05:21

The situation is diabolical. We are unable to operate, not only because of our own staff isolation requirement, but because of everyone else's. Businesses are falling over like a row of dominoes. If the 10 day isolation requirement hasn't been lifted by the end of this month, we have no choice but to place ourselves in a state of voluntary lockdown.

To those in WA, keep your borders shut, because this situation is worse than any virus.

Lead Balloon 21st Jan 2022 05:57


WA provides only 15% of National GDP and if their borders stay closed it’s still a win for the Nation as royalties go to the whole country as well.
Are you sure that royalties charged on e.g. mining outputs in WA go anywhere other than into the WA government's pocket? Company tax and other taxes are a different matter.

SandyPalms 21st Jan 2022 06:05

I think all Perth based QF flight crew (both cabin and pilots) should start assessing which of the other bases they would be prepared to live in. Alan is pissed. LHR is toast, and there won’t be any expansion.

Transition Layer 21st Jan 2022 06:40


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 11172999)
I think all Perth based QF flight crew (both cabin and pilots) should start assessing which of the other bases they would be prepared to live in. Alan is pissed. LHR is toast, and there won’t be any expansion.

Speculation or source? (not disagreeing with you…I think Perth long haul bases are on thin ice.)
At least SOPS is happy in retirement

BuzzBox 21st Jan 2022 06:55


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11173014)
Speculation or source? (not disagreeing with you…I think Perth long haul bases are on thin ice.)
At least SOPS is happy in retirement

McGowan's critics have been quite vocal about their displeasure, but a lot of people are quietly pleased about the decision.

SandyPalms 21st Jan 2022 06:56


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11173014)
Speculation or source? (not disagreeing with you…I think Perth long haul bases are on thin ice.)
At least SOPS is happy in retirement

Just my own speculation. 787/A330 people especially, 737 less so, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a “base balancing” as a sort of amnesty.


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