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Paragraph377 25th Aug 2021 00:29


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100747)
Well QLD and WA have gone to a new low with their political jargon. QLD closing to NSW, ACT and Vic due hotel quarantine issues, guess they’re not fit to cope with covid and WA canceling and not accepting any NSW residents on compassionate grounds. What a mess Australia is, Americans thought Trump was bad look at Aussie politicians.

I really wish NSW would open up internationally and leave QLD and WA behind to keep their own bubble.

In the words of the chief obsfucator Scott Morrison; “it’s not my problem”. Now, where’s my Hillsong invitation and my healing hands…

Chronic Snoozer 25th Aug 2021 00:37


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100747)
Well QLD and WA have gone to a new low with their political jargon. QLD closing to NSW, ACT and Vic due hotel quarantine issues, guess they’re not fit to cope with covid and WA canceling and not accepting any NSW residents on compassionate grounds.


If it’s any consolation, McGowan’s extended family is from NSW. What’s good for the goose……

turbantime 25th Aug 2021 00:47


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11100726)
Do masks work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA

The best example I've seen this whole pandemic.

That is brilliant. Will be saving that for future use.

layman 25th Aug 2021 00:53

Not just WA & Qld
 
WA, SA, Qld, & Tas all seem to have the same border restrictions.

Ladloy 25th Aug 2021 01:23


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11100757)
WA, SA, Qld, & Tas all seem to have the same border restrictions.

shhhh that goes against their political bias.


(Mods will delete this like all my other political posts)

dr dre 25th Aug 2021 01:29


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11100757)
WA, SA, Qld, & Tas all seem to have the same border restrictions.

It is funny how we hear non stop about Dictator Dan! PalaChook! McClown! But never about Steven Marshall or Peter Gutwein given they’ve basically done the same things as the other 3 this entire time.....

SHVC 25th Aug 2021 02:12

Yes you’re correct Dre, however McGoose and Palachook are very content and happy that their borders are closed and even more content at not even working with a national plan that was agreed to for a uniformed approach out of this mess. Australia seems to be on the only major country that you can’t travel over your own fricken border domestically.

WingNut60 25th Aug 2021 02:40


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100773)
Yes you’re correct Dre, however McGoose and Palachook are very content and happy that their borders are closed and even more content at not even working with a national plan that was agreed to for a uniformed approach out of this mess. Australia seems to be on the only major country that you can’t travel over your own fricken border domestically.

In what way has McGowan "not worked with the national plan"?
If he has contravened any agreement that he made then all West Australians should be made aware of it.

SOPS 25th Aug 2021 02:45


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11100776)
In what way has McGowan "not worked with the national plan"?
If he has contravened any agreement that he made then all West Australians should be made aware of it.

Thats what I keep wondering? Is the plan to get 1000s of cases a day, ICUs overrun, people dying,… and tell the rest of Australia this is normal, let’s all open up and have fun?

Xeptu 25th Aug 2021 03:05


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100773)
Yes you’re correct Dre, however McGoose and Palachook are very content and happy that their borders are closed and even more content at not even working with a national plan that was agreed to for a uniformed approach out of this mess. Australia seems to be on the only major country that you can’t travel over your own fricken border domestically.

That would be quite sensational if it were true. WA is the largest state, less than half vaccinated, don't have full supply anyway, some diverted to NSW because they need it right now.
If you are infected it'll be 3 months before you can be vaccinated, 15% of those will have longcovid that will have those issues that preclude vaccination, they will be vulnerable to the disease most likely for the rest of there lives. We can't provide a date to open when we can't guarantee that. It's gut wrenching, soul destroying stuff when it doesn't happen.

Are you still keen to open up.

SHVC 25th Aug 2021 03:42

McGowen has already said they agreed to the national plan, now he wants that revised because NSW outbreak was not occurring at the time it was agreed. He wants zero covid before following through with the 80% and even then he will lockdown at the sniff of covid.


I ask you WA people this. If we were in the same position we were in back in June, with 80% vax rate would you agree to opening up domestic and international borders also? Or are the UK or China cases etc to high?! you have all been lobotomized to think covid zero is the only way. Yes if you lockdown stay in the cave then yeah good on you having zero. I want to open up 80% as per the plan no if’s, no buts that’s it time to move on. I want to live my life they way it should be, not live in the cave like others want to be.

Xeptu 25th Aug 2021 03:50

Firstly I already stated, don't worry too much about what McGowan says in the media "nationally" he must stay the path, the alternative is look like gladys and that's only going to get worse in the coming weeks.

The Answer, YES of course we are going to open up, when our population is vaccinated, post covid measures are in place and our Health System is ready.
AND NOT BEFORE, no matter what you the other states or the PM has to say.

SHVC 25th Aug 2021 03:57

I agree here we will see 2000 by early September that’s why NSW is going warp speed with the vaccinations. 18 months on and WA is still not ready? I’d guess you will never be ready. I’m not worried what McGowen is saying in the media that’s a WA problem, what I worry about is the WA person who listens to his rhetoric rubbish and read the endless misinformation on Facebook etc thinking that zero is the go. To make it clear I’m not trying to be a savage here I don’t want it ripping through like the next person, 80% then it’s go time no excuses.

Xeptu 25th Aug 2021 04:02


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100791)
I agree here we will see 2000 by early September that’s why NSW is going warp speed with the vaccinations. 18 months on and WA is still not ready? I’d guess you will never be ready. I’m not worried what McGowen is saying in the media that’s a WA problem, what I worry about is the WA person who listens to his rhetoric rubbish and read the endless misinformation on Facebook etc thinking that zero is the go. To make it clear I’m not trying to be a savage here I don’t want it ripping through like the next person, 80% then it’s go time no excuses.

That's because NSW wants our vaccines and no doubt our help when it all goes pear shaped in a couple of weeks.
Sounds like those outside WA are reading rubbish.
Go Time is yet to be determined., there will be no excuses because we won't announce it until we are doing it.

WingNut60 25th Aug 2021 04:06


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11100791)
I agree here we will see 2000 by early September that’s why NSW is going warp speed with the vaccinations. 18 months on and WA is still not ready? I’d guess you will never be ready. I’m not worried what McGowen is saying in the media that’s a WA problem, what I worry about is the WA person who listens to his rhetoric rubbish and read the endless misinformation on Facebook etc thinking that zero is the go. To make it clear I’m not trying to be a savage here I don’t want it ripping through like the next person, 80% then it’s go time no excuses.

So he hasn't actually done anything that contravenes the agreement, right?
But he has indicated that, in the face of rampant non-compliance in NSW, he thinks that the terms of the agreement are too loose.
How dare he!

ExtraShot 25th Aug 2021 04:21


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11100794)
So he hasn't actually done anything that contravenes the agreement, right?
But he has indicated that, in the face of rampant non-compliance in NSW, he thinks that the terms of the agreement are too loose.
How dare he!


McGowan stated he wants to continue to aim for ‘zero Covid, zero deaths’ even after 80% is reached, can you show us where that is in the National Agreement?

neville_nobody 25th Aug 2021 04:29

Closed Borders are starting to build pressure in WA. There are plenty of sectors which are starting to complain. If miners start winging then you know there is a problem as they can afford to pay more than any other sector.


Monadelphous is paying up to 10 per cent more to hire and keep workers due to Western Australia’s stringent border closures, managing director Rob Velletri said after the engineering group reported a 29 per cent jump in annual net profit to $47.1 million.

About 40 to 50 per cent of its construction workforce in the Pilbara typically comes from states other than WA, and the group has used between 2000 and 3000 fly in, fly out workers at a time over the past 12 months.

‘‘The state restrictions mean there is very little mobility of labour across the country which fly in, fly out operations just rely on,’’ Mr Velletri said. He said the biggest problem was that WA’s border closures were ‘‘so unpredictable’’ and that potential FIFO workers were worried about getting stuck in the state.

Turnover of employees at Perth-based Monadelphous has doubled in the past 12 months and wages paid had risen by 5 to 10 per cent, he said.

The shortages of quality workers for trades such as electricians and mechanical fitters had also increased recruitment costs, hurt productivity and made it difficult to complete existing projects on time, he said.

The company, which is trying to win back ‘‘departed talent’’ amid what it claims are unprecedented skills shortages and will hire 200 or so workers over the next few months, employed 7791 people in the 12 months to June, up 37 per cent on a year earlier.

It has committed to having Indigenous people make up at least 3 per cent of its workforce and is devising a new gender diversity plan.

The higher costs have made it harder for Monadelphous to make money out of fixed price contracts, which make up most of its construction jobs, signed before the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

Its profit margins for the full year were 5.6 per cent, flat on a year earlier. However, margins in the second half of the 2021 financial year slid to 5.1 per cent from 6 per cent in the first half, well down on the 6.6 per cent for 2019.

Mr Velletri said most of the decline in second-half margins was due to the higher staff turnover and labour costs.

Net profits were boosted by new resources, energy and infrastructure contracts, including work in the booming iron ore sector, but they were lower than analysts expected and its shares slid 14 per cent, or $1.70, to $10.09.

Revenues in Monadelphous’s engineering construction division rose 59 per cent to $979 million as it secured $480 million of new contracts, of which nearly half were in the iron ore sector and 27 per cent in the copper sector.

Maintenance and industrial services revenues dropped 7 per cent to $977 due to lower demand for its services from the oil and gas sector. Oil and gas spending had not returned to pre-COVID-19 levels, Mr Velletri said.

Revenues for the financial year ending in June 2022 were likely to be lower than the previous year due to the timing of new projects, Monadelphous said. But it forecast construction activity would rebound in FY 2023.

Monadelphous will pay a final dividend of 21¢ compared with a 13¢ dividend a year earlier, bringing its total dividend for the year to 45¢ compared with 35¢ a year earlier.

It received $7 million of JobKeeper subsidies in the first half of the financial year.

layman 25th Aug 2021 05:07

SHVC

"...80% then it’s go time no excuses."

I might be misinterpreting the intent of your statement, but this does not appear to be what the Doherty Institute modelling is suggesting. My bolding in the following two paragraphs taken from their web site:

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-even...tute-modelling

"In an average year of influenza, we would roughly have 600 deaths and 200,000 cases in Australia. Any death is a tragedy, but our health system can cope with this. In the COVID-19 modelling, opening up at 70% vaccine coverage of the adult population with partial public health measures, we predict 385,983 symptomatic cases and 1,457 deaths over six months. With optimal public health measures (and no lockdowns), this can be significantly reduced to 2,737 infections and 13 deaths.

We’ve learned from watching countries that have removed all restrictions that there is no ‘freedom day’. We will need to keep some public health measures in place – test, trace, isolate and quarantine – to keep the reproduction number below 1, but as vaccination rates increase, we’ll be able to ease up further and it is unlikely that we will need generalised lockdowns."


My interpretation is that only once we've reached 70% of the over 16 year olds having received two doses of the vaccine, and a further two weeks for the vaccine to become fully effective, then easing of restrictions will commence - but an immediate cessation of all restrictions will not occur. It may even be that partial lockdowns will still be required for some time yet.

At least one jurisdiction is suggesting the 70% should include all those over 12 years of age.

Not directly related to Covid, but to hospital capacity overall, apparently Tasmania already has endemic "ramping" occurring even with no Covid cases. ("ramping" - where ambulances spend considerable time queueing before being able to discharge patients into the care of the hospital). This was cited as one of the reasons Tasmania has severe border restrictions in place.


Cafe City 25th Aug 2021 05:12

I would hardly describe it as ‘warp speed’. Not even quite 1/3 of NSW fully vaccinated??!
I have serious misgivings how this pathetic jab rate will suffice if it turns out we all need to have a booster every year like the flu.
If that’s the case, I can see me being due my 2022 shot before everybody has had their 2 shots.
Seems nobody in Govt is able to do simple maths.

dr dre 25th Aug 2021 05:19

I think some actually need to read the National Roadmap.

We are currently all in Phase A:

This is what is happening now in phase A, which everyone seems to be doing:

 Accelerate vaccination rates;
 Close international borders to keep COVID-19 out;
 Early, stringent and short lockdowns if outbreaks
occur;
 Minimise cases in the community through effective
test, trace and isolate capabilities;
 Implement the national vaccination plan to offer every
Australian an opportunity to be vaccinated with the necessary doses of the relevant vaccine as soon as possible;
 Inbound passenger caps temporarily reduced
 Domestic travel restrictions directly proportionate to
lockdown requirements;
 Commonwealth to facilitate increased commercial flights to increase international repatriations to Darwin for quarantine at the Centre for National Resilience in Howard Springs;
 International Freight Assistance Mechanism extended;
 Trial and pilot the introduction of alternative quarantine options, including home quarantine for returning vaccinated travellers;
 Expand commercial trials for limited entry of student and economic visa holders;
 Recognise and adopt the existing digital Medicare Vaccination Certificate (automatically generated for every vaccination registered on AIR);
 Establish digital vaccination authentication at international borders;
 Prepare vaccine booster programme; and
 Undertake a further review of the national hotel quarantine network.

When we get to 80% (Phase C), it won’t be freedom day or go time or treat it like the flu, there’ll still be some containment measures:

Minimum ongoing baseline restrictions,
adjusted to minimise cases without lockdowns;
Highly targeted lockdowns only;
 Continue vaccine booster programme;
 Exempt vaccinated residents from all domestic restrictions;
 Abolish caps on returning vaccinated Australians;
 Allow increased capped entry of student, economic, and humanitarian visa holders;
 Lift all restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians; and
 Extend travel bubble for unrestricted travel to new candidate countries (Singapore, Pacific);
Gradual reopening of inward and outward international travel, with safe countries and proportionate quarantine and reduced requirements for fully vaccinated inbound travellers.

Even in the end stage (Phase D, treat it like the flu stage) there’s still some restrictions like quarantine from high risk countries and on arrival testing and vaccine requirements.

Its going to be a gradual transition, not a “freedom day”.


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