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minigundiplomat 14th Aug 2021 01:49


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11094766)
466 today. Reminds me of the old NSW numberplates: NSW - The First State!

What I find amusing, but moreso concerning, is the Armidale lockdown being extended by a week, despite there being zero cases detected up there since that Newcastle bird toured the area. But, as usual, it's "based on the health advice"

By that token, shouldn't Perth still be locked down? I mean, they had a positive case a while back. And Cairns too. When the health advice is consistent advice across the various CHO's and Premiers, people might start taking it seriously. But they can't get their stories straight, and that makes a mockery of the entire process.

Cairns has year round UV and a population that generally does the right thing. Whatever the perceptions of the FNQ population they wear masks when told to, scan in to places and stay home if they are sick.

Itís not the rules that are at issue in NSW, itís the willingness of the the population to comply. Victoria leaned the hard way last year that you may think youíre the epicentre of the known world, but you still have to follow the rules. NSW are still learningÖ

MickG0105 14th Aug 2021 02:04


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11094766)
What I find amusing, but moreso concerning, is the Armidale lockdown being extended by a week, despite there being zero cases detected up there since that Newcastle bird toured the area. But, as usual, it's "based on the health advice"

Apparently they were seeing COVID-19 fragments in the local sewage for the first time and there was another case, their fourth, recorded in Armidale yesterday according to this reporting. They're highly unlikely to lift a lockdown under those circumstances.

cloudsurfng 14th Aug 2021 02:05

Case numbers should not be the focus. About time these f&$kwits stopped with daily press conferences. They are drunk on the power and control. Itís hospitalisations etc that matter.

that said, at least it seems to be scaring the Ďhesitantí into getting jabbed.

Ladloy 14th Aug 2021 02:08

Gold standard

Xeptu 14th Aug 2021 02:08


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11094772)
Cairns has year round UV and a population that generally does the right thing. Whatever the perceptions of the FNQ population they wear masks when told to, scan in to places and stay home if they are sick.

Itís not the rules that are at issue in NSW, itís the willingness of the the population to comply. Victoria leaned the hard way last year that you may think youíre the epicentre of the known world, but you still have to follow the rules. NSW are still learningÖ

The 17% of "don't give a shit people" are in every state, that's why we can't have a half arsed lockdown, They wont do it if the people across the road are not locked down as well.
NSW problem is that with the greatest population comes the greatest number of them in that 17%.demographics will also play a role.

Someone mentioned 1st world medical response. If the case numbers rise to anywhere near 100 per day requiring ICU care, don't expect much more than sitting on a plastic chair strapped to an oxygen bottle.



Ladloy 14th Aug 2021 02:09


Originally Posted by cloudsurfng (Post 11094777)
Case numbers should not be the focus. About time these f&$kwits stopped with daily press conferences. They are drunk on the power and control. Itís hospitalisations etc that matter.

that said, at least it seems to be scaring the Ďhesitantí into getting jabbed.

Case rates can't be ignored until we reach a decent level of vaccination

43Inches 14th Aug 2021 02:11


It’s hospitalisations etc that matter.
Hospitalisations is a lagging factor, by the time you get one, 100 will be infected, by the time 20 of those are hospitalised, 1000 will be infected. Even case numbers require the virus to be circulating for about 2 weeks before you will have enough virus in your system to test "positive".

Deaths are the same, some don't pass away for several weeks after contracting the virus. So death rate today is roughly for case numbers 1-2 weeks ago, as are hospitalisations, and case numbers are for people infected up to 2 weeks before.

This is not some computer game where you have real time data, everything has already happened and will happen, the government is playing catch-up with the numbers. This was always why contact tracing within the community was going to fail in the long run. Prevention requires breaking the numbers before they occur, not chasing your tail for where it has been.

SOPS 14th Aug 2021 02:21

NSW is gone for months. There is no hope of getting in under control in the short term. Gold standard.

lineupandwait 14th Aug 2021 02:26

What purpose is there in a press conference everyday announcing case numbers? We will never get back to zero - forget it. So what the point of announcing case numbers?

Present the plan on the way out and how and when kids are going to get back to school. Probably only need one press conference a week.

oh thatís right itís called Covid theatre.

Xeptu 14th Aug 2021 03:19


Originally Posted by lineupandwait (Post 11094786)
What purpose is there in a press conference everyday announcing case numbers? We will never get back to zero - forget it. So what the point of announcing case numbers?

Present the plan on the way out and how and when kids are going to get back to school. Probably only need one press conference a week.

oh thatís right itís called Covid theatre.

If you're parked at home, locked down, not in the effected zone, then there probably isn't a need to know and it would get understandably tedious.
For those in the front line, essential services, do need that information in order to plan response needs and requirements. If it was only a need to know basis then the public would complain about that and draw all sorts of conclusions.

Gnadenburg 14th Aug 2021 03:19


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11094783)
NSW is gone for months. There is no hope of getting in under control in the short term. Gold standard.

Conversely, how will the other States learn to live with COVID with elections in 2022? Elimination strategies can not last forever. Many Premiers keep using military jargon, the battle with COVID, we are on a war footing to eliminate blah blah blah. Well it's actually time some of us died for our country so we don't bankrupt our children' futures. A PLA naval task force couldn't do the economic damage misguided COVID policy has achieved. Enough is enough.

Xeptu 14th Aug 2021 03:25


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 11094797)
Conversely, how will the other States learn to live with COVID with elections in 2022? Elimination strategies can not last forever. Many Premiers keep using military jargon, the battle with COVID, we are on a war footing to eliminate blah blah blah. Well it's actually time some of us died for our country so we don't bankrupt our children' futures. A PLA naval task force couldn't do the economic damage misguided COVID policy has achieved. Enough is enough.

It's good to see that there are some among us willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our country and fellow aussies. Do we have a job for you, we certainly do. Good on you.

43Inches 14th Aug 2021 03:30


Conversely, how will the other States learn to live with COVID with elections in 2022? Elimination strategies can not last forever. Many Premiers keep using military jargon, the battle with COVID, we are on a war footing to eliminate blah blah blah. Well it's actually time some of us died for our country so we don't bankrupt our children' futures. A PLA naval task force couldn't do the economic damage misguided COVID policy has achieved. Enough is enough.
Unfortunately the rest of the world has something to say about that, and if we actually did go gung ho just make money out of this over life, we would shoot ahead of the world and inflation would bite our arse back to 1989. But most likely we would be no better off with a lot more dead people. Fact is the rest of the world is in the same economic position we are, and most of them are ravaged by covid deaths on top of that. So what evidence is there that letting it rip will make us any better off?, none at all. All that would happen is that covid would kill more and we would be worse off again. The USA has proved this, mostly open, a lot died and its cost them over double per person than what it has cost Australia. USA still has 30% of its small business closed or in hibernation from 2019 numbers. We only had business closed during lockdowns. From how USA and the UK coffers look, dealing with an actual pandemic has cost them 2-4 times more than us hiding from it.

Gnadenburg 14th Aug 2021 04:17


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11094798)
It's good to see that there are some among us willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our country and fellow aussies. Do we have a job for you, we certainly do. Good on you.


I've struggled to follow the meanings of your posts. Some of our States have an economically unsustainable, though political acceptable, policy of Elimination. Yours has always been a policy of Fear.

Australia has the means to come out of this pandemic yet many seem to lack the will. It's too cosy for many not affected.

Capn Rex Havoc 14th Aug 2021 04:27

43Inches - what a lot of bollocks.

The USA owes its death rate to ignoring the virus under trump. Since the vaccinations came online and Biden, the US are way ahead wrt to vaccination rates. The US is fully open. You DO NOT need a vaccination passport or even to be vaccinated to enter the US.

Studies are showing that Delta is infecting even vaccinated people. Lockdowns will not stop the infections. Excess deaths are the only metric that governments should be reporting. Gladys talking about people in there 90s dying of Covid is pointless. She even reported of a person in his 90s dying - Fully Vaccinated. Today she announced some poor person dying from Covid - oh but he was in palliative care .....

The Australian public is fed fear. End these bloody lockdowns. THE VIRUS IS HERE and we need to live with it. if you are scared of catching it, don't mix with the public.


lineupandwait 14th Aug 2021 04:50


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11094796)
If you're parked at home, locked down, not in the effected zone, then there probably isn't a need to know and it would get understandably tedious.
For those in the front line, essential services, do need that information in order to plan response needs and requirements. If it was only a need to know basis then the public would complain about that and draw all sorts of conclusions.

Maybe just check the internet for the latest restrictions???

Covid theatre...

SOPS 14th Aug 2021 04:56

And Ö there goes all of NSW into lockdown for at least a week. Gladys had just been quoted as sayingÖ All of Australia is now under threat.


Gold Standard.

PoppaJo 14th Aug 2021 04:56


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11094769)
Iím no expert but it will peak when things get really serious , hospitals become over capacity and deaths spike massively.
Probably 3-4000 cases a day is my guess.

Well it appears things have potentially deteriorated further within the last 24hrs.

Statewide shutdown from 5pm.

Gnadenburg 14th Aug 2021 05:00


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11094799)
So what evidence is there that letting it rip will make us any better off?, none at all. All that would happen is that covid would kill more and we would be worse off again.

I don't follow your economic modelling. However, I did not say let it rip. I believe the politics of COVID elimination will be devastating by next year. Eventually some of us will have to die. Hopefully, vaccinations protect most. But this path is not sustainable, not for the economy, not for social cohesion, not for dealing with emerging security threats.

Xeptu 14th Aug 2021 05:46


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 11094815)
I don't follow your economic modelling. However, I did not say let it rip. I believe the politics of COVID elimination will be devastating by next year. Eventually some of us will have to die. Hopefully, vaccinations protect most. But this path is not sustainable, not for the economy, not for social cohesion, not for dealing with emerging security threats.

I don't think anyone will disagree with that, however the whole world is in the same boat, are we not better off learning from other countries first before taking risks that are not recoverable.


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