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Chronic Snoozer 26th Jul 2021 23:54

Taiwan's been having problems containing the Alpha strain.

Taiwan exits lockdown

Capn Rex Havoc 27th Jul 2021 03:21

Soooo - In Victoria, from midnight - you are not allowed to go visit your relatives (or anyones) household, BUT you can go to a restaurant or pub!!!! So you can meet your family for dinner in a restaurant with up to 40 people. Makes sense ....:ugh:

PoppaJo 27th Jul 2021 04:44


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11085443)
Soooo - In Victoria, from midnight - you are not allowed to go visit your relatives (or anyones) household, BUT you can go to a restaurant or pub!!!! So you can meet your family for dinner in a restaurant with up to 40 people. Makes sense ....:ugh:

Meanwhile Gladys is about to open up various parts of Sydney. Itís what the people want apparently.

Reports coming out now, of the TNT freight Hub in Sydney now closed as Delta has ripped right through it.

At this rate Kingsford Smith is done until we hit that magical vaccination number. She can be as vocal as she wants around the border, the others are not even going to flinch until she gets weeks of zero. The consequences of that is pretty grim for this Industry and itís good people. Sydney is done for this year.

SHVC 27th Jul 2021 04:49

Sydney is done until end of November unless, ppl start hooking into Astra Zeneca supply. Lets see is these so called freedom mob who rioted on the weekend for the freedom of all of us take up this opportunity to show us he way.

SOPS 27th Jul 2021 04:55

Gladys better enforce an extreme lock down right now. Otherwise Sydney and possibly NSW is doomed.

mattyj 27th Jul 2021 05:08

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SHVC 27th Jul 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11085456)
Gladys better enforce an extreme lock down right now. Otherwise Sydney and possibly NSW is doomed.

Well some of the comments I read on social media, the people of Sydney already believe this lock down is worse than last yr and is unbearable Gladys cant possibly go any harder. If you go any harder they'll blow.

My personal opinion, I think Gladys know she has [email protected]#ked it, the speed boat is out of sight and now for her to open up will be the vaccination rate. Gladys is making an announcement tomorrow of her opening up plan, you all read it here first, I bet a vaccination target will be announced to ease restriction. Honestly no other way for NSW to get out of this mess.

Unfortunate for Aviation it will do no good if NSW gets to the target she will announce, I bet the other states will be no where near their targets and they will not open to NSW.

Bug Smasher Smasher 27th Jul 2021 05:47

I think most states wonít care at all about her vaccination target. If the case numbers there remain above single digits NSW will remain cut off.

PoppaJo 27th Jul 2021 06:25


Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher (Post 11085469)
I think most states wonít care at all about her vaccination target. If the case numbers there remain above single digits NSW will remain cut off.

A higher vaccination level might get the state moving to themselves, but not to anyone else.

She did try that dialogue the other week, in regards to having volume of active transmission in the long term, and then pushing Ďwe are all oneí and expect the other states to join the transmission party. Needless to say she was shot down by old mate out West a few hours later.

Turnleft080 27th Jul 2021 06:30


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11085461)
Well some of the comments I read on social media, the people of Sydney already believe this lock down is worse than last yr and is unbearable Gladys cant possibly go any harder. If you go any harder they'll blow.

My personal opinion, I think Gladys know she has [email protected]#ked it, the speed boat is out of sight and now for her to open up will be the vaccination rate. Gladys is making an announcement tomorrow of her opening up plan, you all read it here first, I bet a vaccination target will be announced to ease restriction. Honestly no other way for NSW to get out of this mess.

Unfortunate for Aviation it will do no good if NSW gets to the target she will announce, I bet the other states will be no where near their targets and they will not open to NSW.

Like flying past your PNR, no way back. Let it rip Gladys. Just let it rip. The quicker it spreads, the quicker your herd immunity will occur. If everyone did the appropriate
thing to take control of your own health (not the premier, not the CHO, not your doctor) but you. YOU YOU YOU. You got enough elderly vaccinated, so just let it rip. Sure you will get some hospitalisations and ICUs
though millions will be A-symptomatic even without you knowing you got covid. What makes you think all the other states are clean. Their could be hundreds of A-symptomatic out their just not getting tested.
Lockdowns are like trying to fix the Hoover Dam with band aids. At some stage it's going to go bang.

OK, I will be nice now, keep your distance 1.5m, wash your hands jeffery, practice deep breathing with your mask on with that disposable your been wearing for a week.
Just about to put on the bullet proof jacket, you can shoot me now.


SOPS 27th Jul 2021 06:36


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11085486)
Like flying past your PNR, no way back. Let it rip Gladys. Just let it rip. The quicker it spreads, the quicker your herd immunity will occur. If everyone did the appropriate
thing to take control of your own health (not the premier, not the CHO, not your doctor) but you. YOU YOU YOU. You got enough elderly vaccinated, so just let it rip. Sure you will get some hospitalisations and ICUs
though millions will be A-symptomatic even without you knowing you got covid. What makes you think all the other states are clean. Their could be hundreds of A-symptomatic out their just not getting tested.
Lockdowns are like trying to fix the Hoover Dam with band aids. At some stage it's going to go bang.

OK, I will be nice now, keep your distance 1.5m, wash your hands jeffery, practice deep breathing with your mask on with that disposable your been wearing for a week.
Just about to put on the bullet proof jacket, you can shoot me now.

You forgot the eat garlic part.

Turnleft080 27th Jul 2021 06:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11085488)
You forgot the eat garlic part.

Can't mention those sort of thing SOPS, it's all taboo.

compressor stall 27th Jul 2021 06:50

That day has to come. It will come.

With currently circa 2000 infected in latest outbreak, there have been 12 deaths. That’s 6 per thousand (with all sick getting all getting the ICU care they need).

if you do it today with 10% vaxed that’s 4.5m unvaxed in Greater Sydney.

With 6 per thousand deatht rates you’re looking at 25,000 dying, and that’s not including overloaded health care system.

Do you take that risk?

Xeptu 27th Jul 2021 06:59

As the vaccine is rolled out the nation needs to have the conversation as to what is expected once all those that are going to be vaccinated, have been.
Currently the expectation is zero community transmission.
Is the expectation that will remain the case. International travel is on you, except to re-enter you must not be infectious and vaccinated.
Or
No restrictions regardless of infection rate

SHVC 27th Jul 2021 07:18

Our inept prime minister can’t and won’t have that conversation. Zero is the number most of these premiers want. I bet lord McGoose won’t accept anything above zero even with 100% vaccination rate.

compressor stall 27th Jul 2021 07:45

There are green shoots of that discussion, not just in the shock jock world, but in other channels. Even in the NSW gov't at the start of this latest outbreak but it got quickly squashed. I've been trying to have it for a while with friends and family, but only recently getting traction, probably as the vaccination rate is slowly climbing

IMHO Gladys will not survive this unscathed. She has a few options:
  1. Keeps the current lockdowns that seem to stem the exponential rise of cases but would need to keep it same until the end of the year when vax rates are getting to 70%
  2. Goes full bore on the lockdown for a month, no-one can do anything except get food and then on certain days etc. only 1 person out of the house. Nothing else, nada.
  3. Let it rip. No lockdown, no restrictions and have the deaths of thousands as your legacy because you didn't do it the way others did it.
None are pretty.

Ladloy 27th Jul 2021 07:48


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11085486)
Like flying past your PNR, no way back. Let it rip Gladys. Just let it rip. The quicker it spreads, the quicker your herd immunity will occur. If everyone did the appropriate
thing to take control of your own health (not the premier, not the CHO, not your doctor) but you. YOU YOU YOU. You got enough elderly vaccinated, so just let it rip. Sure you will get some hospitalisations and ICUs
though millions will be A-symptomatic even without you knowing you got covid. What makes you think all the other states are clean. Their could be hundreds of A-symptomatic out their just not getting tested.
Lockdowns are like trying to fix the Hoover Dam with band aids. At some stage it's going to go bang.

OK, I will be nice now, keep your distance 1.5m, wash your hands jeffery, practice deep breathing with your mask on with that disposable your been wearing for a week.
Just about to put on the bullet proof jacket, you can shoot me now.

only 16% fully vaxed. 1000s will die.

machtuk 27th Jul 2021 07:55


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11085486)
Like flying past your PNR, no way back. Let it rip Gladys. Just let it rip. The quicker it spreads, the quicker your herd immunity will occur. If everyone did the appropriate
thing to take control of your own health (not the premier, not the CHO, not your doctor) but you. YOU YOU YOU. You got enough elderly vaccinated, so just let it rip. Sure you will get some hospitalisations and ICUs
though millions will be A-symptomatic even without you knowing you got covid. What makes you think all the other states are clean. Their could be hundreds of A-symptomatic out their just not getting tested.
Lockdowns are like trying to fix the Hoover Dam with band aids. At some stage it's going to go bang.

OK, I will be nice now, keep your distance 1.5m, wash your hands jeffery, practice deep breathing with your mask on with that disposable your been wearing for a week.
Just about to put on the bullet proof jacket, you can shoot me now.

well put, agree 100% The biggest issue if fear, so many out there living in fear, exactly what the lunatic Premiers want!

KRviator 27th Jul 2021 08:12


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11085517)
only 16% fully vaxed. 1000s will die.

That death toll may well be cheaper than having the nations biggest city locked down. Read this morning the Sydney lockdown alone is $220,000,000 per day! Victoria is $150,000,000. At $5.0M per life (for a healthy young adult) that's 44 deaths per day (NSW) and 30 Vic equivalent cost - assuming every death is a healthy, young(ish) taxpayer, not some old duck in their 80's or 90's like the vast majority have been and who are now, mostly, vaccinated.

How long until someone decides it's worth it?

No matter if "they" do, SHVC is spot on with his assertion:

Our inept prime minister canít and wonít have that conversation. Zero is the number most of these premiers want. I bet lord McGoose wonít accept anything above zero even with 100% vaccination rate.
They have set this unrealistic goal and now have to stick to it, having built their entire reelection campaigns on the "But only I kept you safe!" mantra - which the UK is showing to be a false prophecy. Despite vaccinations, despite lockdowns, you will still have cases, you will still have deaths. The goal of absolute zero Covid, while admirable, is like zero fatalities in flying, It's a target, a wish, we all aspire to achieve it, but it'll never happen.

Foxxster 27th Jul 2021 08:14

Well looks like another month lockdown for sydney

but construction will be allowed but with capacity limits
people living alone will be allowed another person to visit them, ie a friend

royal prince Alfred hospital is turning ambulances away right now due to a developing covid situation.



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