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Green.Dot 25th Jul 2021 02:22


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11084531)
Can someone explain to me, if you are in lockdown, why are you on a flight to Ballina?!

Many reasons SOPS. Somebody who met the essential worker definition perhaps, or a Ballina resident returning home?

Whether they were legit is another question.

43Inches 25th Jul 2021 02:26


That BMJ Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines ... paper is not a 'preliminary study'. It's an International Committee of Medical Journal Editors peer reviewed case-control study.

But, you do you.
I would also read the limitations section in that study where they say their findings should be treated with caution. The main issue is that the study does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, so whether the vaccine itself is responsible or such things like how the individual isolated. The WHO data also takes into account generalised effectiveness over a number of different cultures, communities and age groups. Again taking studies out of context with no medical background can lead you to make assumptions that are not valid. The WHO information is dumbed down for the average public to follow and is based on general information.

MickG0105 25th Jul 2021 02:45


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11084548)
I would also read the limitations section in that study where they say their findings should be treated with caution. The main issue is that the study does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, so whether the vaccine itself is responsible or such things like how the individual isolated.

You know what else does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, ... or such things like how the individual isolated? Stage III trials.

And do you know where the WHO got the 'efficacy of 63.09% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection' data from? From AstraZeneca's Stage III trials.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11084548)
The WHO data also takes into account generalised effectiveness over a number of different cultures, communities and age groups.

No, not really. It draws that 63.09 percent number exclusively and solely from AstraZeneca's Stage III trial findings.

minigundiplomat 25th Jul 2021 02:51


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11084531)
I must not understand this Sydney lockdown properly. There is now a positive case that flew on a flight from Sydney to Ballina. ( amongst an ever increasing number of exposure sights).

Can someone explain to me, if you are in lockdown, why are you on a flight to Ballina?!

Hemsworth or Damon?

Piqued2 25th Jul 2021 03:08

Q - LINK FLIGHTS
 
We all know what a positive torture it is to fly with a cold.

Why would a Flight Attendant subject herself to the agony of numerous air pressure differentials when she has access to Sick Leave.

It didn’t sound right to me and inconvenienced a whole heap of passengers, and now, without explanation, this from Qld Health,



Close contacts update – 25 July 2021

The following flights are no longer considered to be a contact tracing location and have been removed from the close contacts list:

Sunday 11 July
  • Flight QF2534 - Brisbane to Longreach
  • Flight QF2535 - Longreach to Brisbane
  • Flight QF2346 - Brisbane to Gladstone
Monday 12 July
  • Flight QF2331 - Gladstone to Brisbane
  • Flight QF2374 - Brisbane to Hervey Bay
  • Flight QF2375 - Hervey Bay to Brisbane

43Inches 25th Jul 2021 03:08


No, not really. It draws that 63.09 percent number exclusively and solely from AstraZeneca's Stage III trial findings.
Hmm, I thought stage III trials found AZ to be 67-77% efficacy, with peaks at 79%.

Going Nowhere 25th Jul 2021 03:13


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11084531)
Can someone explain to me, if you are in lockdown, why are you on a flight to Ballina?!

To meet someone who had driven down from Brisbane to pick you up because you can't fly directly into Brisbane without going via QPS?

But you can drive from Ballina back into QLD in a car with QLD plates and no one would be any the wiser.

Until you both test positive for Covid that is...


MickG0105 25th Jul 2021 03:32


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11084556)
Hmm, I thought stage III trials found AZ to be 67-77% efficacy, with peaks at 79%.

The WHO paper that they draw that efficacy of 63.09% (95% CI 51.81; 71.73) against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection number from can be found here. It is just the aggregation of UK, Brazil and South African Stage III trials data.

From memory the US Stage III trial data was better again, likely as much due to the different prevailing conditions.

43Inches 25th Jul 2021 03:41


You know what else does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, ... or such things like how the individual isolated? Stage III trials.

And do you know where the WHO got the 'efficacy of 63.09% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection' data from? From AstraZeneca's Stage III trials.
Stage three trials did however take a cross section of the community to a point. Not just focus on over 70s, so the numbers presented in that study only relate to that age group. That being said it is teh most vulnerable group so it's obvious why the focus.


Our results and those seen in the phase III clinical trials show similarities.
So overall the phase 3 trials were the same result.

Also this study was done on subjects self assessing, phase 3 was subjects were clinically assessed.


Misclassification is also likely to be a factor in this study. Symptoms are self-reported and may not be specific to covid-19 without clinician diagnosis. Furthermore, individuals may falsely report symptoms to have a test, which will include asymptomatic individuals in the symptomatic analysis and means that symptom onset dates are incorrect.
and this;


Failure to exclude those with past infection because of low testing rates in wave 1 is another possibility.
I mean it is comparing Apples and Oranges anyway as the Phase 3 trials are overall from 18-90 year olds and this study is only 70+. Also phase 3 studied Asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic, where this study focused only on Symptomatic.

The vaccine still does most of what it should, is safe and anyone over 65 should take it ASAP given no other options.


From memory the US Stage III trial data was better again, likely as much due to the different prevailing conditions.
That's where I got the peak of 79%. But yes the WHO data is based on the UK/Brazil trials.

PS I remember from the trials that there was some controversy over AZ not being trialed on many over 65, probably why this further study was taken.

PoppaJo 25th Jul 2021 05:12


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11084531)
I must not understand this Sydney lockdown properly. There is now a positive case that flew on a flight from Sydney to Ballina. ( amongst an ever increasing number of exposure sights).

Can someone explain to me, if you are in lockdown, why are you on a flight to Ballina?!

More details are now surfacing around this one.

I wonder if that positive case worked for Virgin too? He was picked up from Ballina by a Brisbane based Virgin CC and she drove him illegally back over the border. She is now positive. They both need to resign.

They knew what they were doing.

SOPS 25th Jul 2021 05:18


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11084575)
More details are now surfacing around this one.

I wonder if that positive case worked for Virgin too? He was picked up from Ballina by a Brisbane based Virgin CC and she drove him illegally back over the border. She is now positive. They both need to resign.

They knew what they were doing.

If that’s true, they both should be in jail.

lc_461 25th Jul 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11084575)
More details are now surfacing around this one.

I wonder if that positive case worked for Virgin too? He was picked up from Ballina by a Brisbane based Virgin CC and she drove him illegally back over the border. She is now positive. They both need to resign.

They knew what they were doing.

Was it not previously reported that it was QF Link flight attendant? Exposure sites BNE/LRE QF flights? Or unrelated case?

PoppaJo 25th Jul 2021 05:22


Originally Posted by lc_461 (Post 11084579)
Was it not previously reported that it was QF Link flight attendant? Exposure sites BNE/LRE QF flights? Or unrelated case?

This Male and Female (Virgin) are unrelated.

I don’t believe they found the origin of the longreach case.

Hopefully Virgin deals with one or both of them pending his employment status.

Green.Dot 25th Jul 2021 05:26


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11084578)
If that’s true, they both should be in jail.

As much as I agree, good luck with that.

The NSW removalists that were at the root cause of Vic locked down AGAIN and have caused BILLIONS of dollars of economic damage are unlikely to face charges. STRAYA- Fk Yeah!

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...035572dbd16143

SHVC 25th Jul 2021 05:59

Can someone call the PM just get him to stop talking. I am confused now, I thought getting the population vaccinated would abate the need for lockdowns, Scott Morrison appears to say otherwise.


Vaccines ‘not a substitute for a lockdown’: PM

Mr Morrison said vaccines were not the key to greater Sydney coming out of lockdown.

That is despite state premiers and health officials repeatedly telling the general public that getting a Covid-19 jab would be an eventual ticket to freedom.

“There‘s not an easy way to bring the cases down and it’s the lockdown that does that work,” Mr Morrison said.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...1c6b?width=650An empty Pitt Street Mall in Sydney amid lockdown. Picture: Richard Dobson“The vaccines can provide some assistance, but they’re not what is going to end this lockdown.

Mr Morrison said he did not want it in “anyone’s mind that it replaces the principle tool, which is the lockdown”.

“It’s not a substitute for a lockdown. And you need to weigh up the effectiveness of that with the disruption to the broader vaccine program that could set other states and territories back some way in meeting their vaccination targets,“ he said.

“We need to get the whole country vaccinated. Those going through lockdowns, that‘s the principle way by which we’re able to bring the Delta variant under control in those cities.”

Lead Balloon 25th Jul 2021 06:14

White noise. The state Premiers are deciding when to lockdown regions and borders.

Two jobs, Scotty.

rattman 25th Jul 2021 06:22


Originally Posted by lc_461 (Post 11084579)
Was it not previously reported that it was QF Link flight attendant? Exposure sites BNE/LRE QF flights? Or unrelated case?

Related to one of them, dunno which as both VA and Qlink have had positive hosties. This one crossed into ballina and picked up the male and drove him into qld. They both knew they were positive and went still went to dreamworld while knowingly sick

I think she is the QLink because there been some Qlink flights removed prior to him crossing in to QLD

Lookleft 25th Jul 2021 06:42

This is the story behind the QLink F/A. She is going to have some explaining to her Managers and will be lucky to keep her job.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...case/100321164

Capt Fathom 25th Jul 2021 07:18

Why would you fly into Ballina? The fares are generally more expensive!
Surely they would not be attempting to avoid the authorities at Brisbane Airport? :=

PoppaJo 25th Jul 2021 07:19

My apologies. Newscorpse wrong again. This is what they said. Replace Virgin Flight Attendant with Qantas Flight Attendant and that solves that one.

A NSW who allegedly entered the sunny state, allegedly illegally, has been identified as the source of infection for a Virgin flight attendant who later tested positive for Covid-19.

The man flew from Sydney to Ballina on July 14, where he was picked up from Ballina airport in NSW by a Virgin flight attendant.


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