I would also read the limitations section in that study where they say their findings should be treated with caution. The main issue is that the study does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, so whether the vaccine itself is responsible or such things like how the individual isolated. The WHO data also takes into account generalised effectiveness over a number of different cultures, communities and age groups. Again taking studies out of context with no medical background can lead you to make assumptions that are not valid. The WHO information is dumbed down for the average public to follow and is based on general information.

You know what else does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, ... or such things like how the individual isolated? Stage III trials.

And do you know where the WHO got the 'efficacy of 63.09% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection' data from? From AstraZeneca's Stage III trials.

No, not really. It draws that 63.09 percent number exclusively and solely from AstraZeneca's Stage III trial findings.

Hemsworth or Damon?

Q - LINK FLIGHTS
 

We all know what a positive torture it is to fly with a cold.

Why would a Flight Attendant subject herself to the agony of numerous air pressure differentials when she has access to Sick Leave.

It didn’t sound right to me and inconvenienced a whole heap of passengers, and now, without explanation, this from Qld Health,

Close contacts update – 25 July 2021

The following flights are no longer considered to be a contact tracing location and have been removed from the close contacts list:

Sunday 11 July

• Flight QF2534 - Brisbane to Longreach
• Flight QF2535 - Longreach to Brisbane
• Flight QF2346 - Brisbane to Gladstone

Monday 12 July

• Flight QF2331 - Gladstone to Brisbane
• Flight QF2374 - Brisbane to Hervey Bay
• Flight QF2375 - Hervey Bay to Brisbane

Hmm, I thought stage III trials found AZ to be 67-77% efficacy, with peaks at 79%.

To meet someone who had driven down from Brisbane to pick you up because you can't fly directly into Brisbane without going via QPS?

But you can drive from Ballina back into QLD in a car with QLD plates and no one would be any the wiser.

Until you both test positive for Covid that is...

The WHO paper that they draw that efficacy of 63.09% (95% CI 51.81; 71.73) against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection number from can be found here. It is just the aggregation of UK, Brazil and South African Stage III trials data.

From memory the US Stage III trial data was better again, likely as much due to the different prevailing conditions.

Stage three trials did however take a cross section of the community to a point. Not just focus on over 70s, so the numbers presented in that study only relate to that age group. That being said it is teh most vulnerable group so it's obvious why the focus.

So overall the phase 3 trials were the same result.

Also this study was done on subjects self assessing, phase 3 was subjects were clinically assessed.

and this;

I mean it is comparing Apples and Oranges anyway as the Phase 3 trials are overall from 18-90 year olds and this study is only 70+. Also phase 3 studied Asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic, where this study focused only on Symptomatic.

The vaccine still does most of what it should, is safe and anyone over 65 should take it ASAP given no other options.

That's where I got the peak of 79%. But yes the WHO data is based on the UK/Brazil trials.

PS I remember from the trials that there was some controversy over AZ not being trialed on many over 65, probably why this further study was taken.

More details are now surfacing around this one.

I wonder if that positive case worked for Virgin too? He was picked up from Ballina by a Brisbane based Virgin CC and she drove him illegally back over the border. She is now positive. They both need to resign.

They knew what they were doing.

If that’s true, they both should be in jail.

Was it not previously reported that it was QF Link flight attendant? Exposure sites BNE/LRE QF flights? Or unrelated case?

This Male and Female (Virgin) are unrelated.

I don’t believe they found the origin of the longreach case.

Hopefully Virgin deals with one or both of them pending his employment status.

As much as I agree, good luck with that.

The NSW removalists that were at the root cause of Vic locked down AGAIN and have caused BILLIONS of dollars of economic damage are unlikely to face charges. STRAYA- Fk Yeah!

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...035572dbd16143

Can someone call the PM just get him to stop talking. I am confused now, I thought getting the population vaccinated would abate the need for lockdowns, Scott Morrison appears to say otherwise.


Vaccines ‘not a substitute for a lockdown’: PM

Mr Morrison said vaccines were not the key to greater Sydney coming out of lockdown.

That is despite state premiers and health officials repeatedly telling the general public that getting a Covid-19 jab would be an eventual ticket to freedom.

“There‘s not an easy way to bring the cases down and it’s the lockdown that does that work,” Mr Morrison said.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...1c6b?width=650An empty Pitt Street Mall in Sydney amid lockdown. Picture: Richard Dobson“The vaccines can provide some assistance, but they’re not what is going to end this lockdown.

Mr Morrison said he did not want it in “anyone’s mind that it replaces the principle tool, which is the lockdown”.

“It’s not a substitute for a lockdown. And you need to weigh up the effectiveness of that with the disruption to the broader vaccine program that could set other states and territories back some way in meeting their vaccination targets,“ he said.

“We need to get the whole country vaccinated. Those going through lockdowns, that‘s the principle way by which we’re able to bring the Delta variant under control in those cities.”

White noise. The state Premiers are deciding when to lockdown regions and borders.

Two jobs, Scotty.

Related to one of them, dunno which as both VA and Qlink have had positive hosties. This one crossed into ballina and picked up the male and drove him into qld. They both knew they were positive and went still went to dreamworld while knowingly sick

I think she is the QLink because there been some Qlink flights removed prior to him crossing in to QLD

This is the story behind the QLink F/A. She is going to have some explaining to her Managers and will be lucky to keep her job.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...case/100321164

Why would you fly into Ballina? The fares are generally more expensive!
Surely they would not be attempting to avoid the authorities at Brisbane Airport? :=

My apologies. Newscorpse wrong again. This is what they said. Replace Virgin Flight Attendant with Qantas Flight Attendant and that solves that one.

A NSW who allegedly entered the sunny state, allegedly illegally, has been identified as the source of infection for a Virgin flight attendant who later tested positive for Covid-19.

The man flew from Sydney to Ballina on July 14, where he was picked up from Ballina airport in NSW by a Virgin flight attendant.

That’s not the case according to the direct quotes from Steven Miles.

“He was then collected from Ballina airport by the flight attendant that we reported positive in Queensland on Friday”. That’s the QLINK F/A.

If she knew he was supposed to be in isolation in NSW and knowingly aided him in avoiding police at Brisbane airport then, should she be charged and convicted, that would be the end of her ASIC and flying career.

It may explain why she took a week after becoming symptomatic to get tested.

She has potentially put at the risk the careers and livelihoods of hundreds of Queensland based colleagues, not to mention the health of all Queenslanders. It’s hard to find much sympathy, assuming of course that things have both transpired as reported and she knew he was supposed to be isolating in Sydney.