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ruprecht 30th Jun 2021 12:59


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11070983)
I’ve no idea why this isn’t being yelled from the roof tops as being a sign that if we get vaccinated, we’re all back on track for the start of next year.

Well, it should be getting yelled from the rooftops by the federal government - but I’m pretty sure they’re trying to avoid highlighting how good things are going overseas at the moment.

Green.Dot 30th Jun 2021 21:58

Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...28-p5852n.html

Gnadenburg 30th Jun 2021 22:19

Indeed. Look at Israel too. Delta is spreading amongst a partially vaccinated society yet hospitalisations are down. Health officials are cautious with measured reintroduction of restrictions.

“We have reached a level of herd immunity in Israel that also provides cross-protection against the delta variant, and for that reason the virus does not spread as quickly, it doesn’t reach the most vulnerable population and it doesn’t cause a lot of hospitalizations,” Yoram Weiss, director of Jerusalem’s Hadassah University Medical Center, said Monday. “It is making all the difference.”

Is COVID now a non-lethal disease with vaccinations and your most vulnerable protected?

“At this point, I still don’t have a single patient,” Weiss said. “Yes, we need to remain vigilant. But we need to understand that this time we are confronting the virus in a different situation than we had before.”

However, back in Australia, the idiocy continues! Health Bureaucrats present like rock stars, many public servants and private sector enjoy working from home or their holiday houses and the number of unprofitable Aussies on the rise; ignorant that their grand kids may be burdened with crippling debt and taxes so they can get a gov handout and go further into debt.

Cirressna 30th Jun 2021 23:04


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11071168)
Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…

Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 00:21


Originally Posted by Cirressna (Post 11071202)
Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!

Basing any judgement of wider opinion on comments in an article (which can be subject to bots or trolls) is a poor idea but sort the comments by “Most Respected” rather than the default “Newest” and you’ll see the most respected replies all endorse the pro-vaccine position.

Chronic Snoozer 1st Jul 2021 00:46

Melbourne GP slams QLD CHO

Chronic Snoozer 1st Jul 2021 00:51


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11070762)
I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .

That’ll be the MMR vax.:rolleyes:

”Foxxster’s Law” - the longer an internet argument goes on the greater the chance your fitness to hold a pilot’s licence will be challenged.

Icarus2001 1st Jul 2021 01:51

So Daniel Andrews and Scott Morrison in heated agreement. Go and see your GP and get their advice about AZ.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 02:54

You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 03:00


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

Please provide links from credible sources to back up those claims.

Not links that say those treatments CAN have an effect on death rates, I want sources that say those treatments are the MAIN or SOLE reason death rates have gone down, not vaccination as you have said.

Looking forward to your answer......

cloudsurfng 1st Jul 2021 03:01

Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?


SOPS 1st Jul 2021 03:02


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

Spare me.. not this again. Just go and get vaccinated!!!

WingNut60 1st Jul 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071251)
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.

And also because a large section of the most vulnerable group within the Western populations are now dead.

ruprecht 1st Jul 2021 03:23


Originally Posted by cloudsurfng (Post 11071254)
Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?

I think he’s now immortal.

turbantime 1st Jul 2021 04:45

Had a brain dead moron remark how the survivability of this virus is increasing. Wouldn’t accept that it had to do with vaccination rates increasing. Some people literally cannot put two and two together.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 05:04

Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason

WingNut60 1st Jul 2021 05:22


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071284)
Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason

Well many of the first lot, the ones with a high fatality rate, were in aged care.
Whereas most of the current crop of infectees seem to be regular gym enthusiasts so maybe it's that.............or the steroids.

mattyj 1st Jul 2021 07:33

it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab9d902b5.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9469613ce.jpeg

dr dre 1st Jul 2021 09:05


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11071356)
it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:

Most of those nations were in lockdown until mid March, plus the natural curve of a viral illness will decrease post the middle of winter.

The first dose vaccinations at 10-20% of the population were prioritised for the most vulnerable groups, the elderly. The percentage of over 65s in those nations is about 15-20%, so a big majority of the vulnerable in those nations would have gotten a first dose by mid March, so would've had a good level of protection and decreased the death rate.

But the main point is look at a comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same demographics at the same time. And there's no debate:

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated




SOPS 1st Jul 2021 10:13

It has just been stated that since this began.. there have been 51000 people through HQ in WA alone. Some have been through HQ as many as 8 times!!! This rubbish has to stop. You come in, you stay in. You leave now, you don’t come back. And that included ‘ sports people’ and such.


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