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Xeptu 15th Oct 2021 13:04

TL

Can I ask why you choose to live in a place with people you hate, surely you would be happier at home with your family in NSW, why do you wait.

Transition Layer 15th Oct 2021 13:22

Geez, looks like I’ve upset the McGowan fan club tonight! All 3 of you are here at the same time…what are the odds?

Buster Hyman 15th Oct 2021 13:31

Still not a fan of going Republic, but if this is the best that the Commonwealth/States can do, then sign me up if a Republic can introduce one Government, one plan, and all going in the same direction!

WingNut60 15th Oct 2021 13:53


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11126948)
Still not a fan of going Republic, but if this is the best that the Commonwealth/States can do, then sign me up if a Republic can introduce one Government, one plan, and all going in the same direction!

Like the U.S., do you mean?

Or do you just mean a republic where the most populous states can impose their self-proclaimed superiority over the smaller states?

Clare Prop 15th Oct 2021 13:57


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11126939)
Geez, looks like I’ve upset the McGowan fan club tonight! All 3 of you are here at the same time…what are the odds?

Not a particular fan of McGowan, However your saying that people in WA are "inbred bogans" says more about you than it does about us.

WingNut60 15th Oct 2021 13:58

And just in, from the West Australian newspaper :-


Huge number of West Aussies who still back hard border


Support for WA’s hard border remains almost as high as it was a year ago, with the overwhelming majority of West Australians backing Premier Mark McGowan’s stance.

dr dre 15th Oct 2021 14:25


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11126969)
And just in, from the West Australian newspaper :-

I’ve noticed The West has a habit of putting loaded headlines on paywalled articles as a draw card to get you to subscribe, and then the article text usually paints a less sensationalist picture. I’d really like to know the specifics of the article and the exact questions the poll asked.

I would assume the questions asked were referring to the situation when the survey was conducted, which was probably over the last few weeks, whilst the double vax rate was only 50%. It will be a different story at 80%.

A question like “do you support a border closure now whilst infections in NSW and Victoria remain high?” is going to get a different response to “do you support support border closures once WA vaccination levels are higher?”.

In a way, as the headline indicates support for the “stance” of the government, as the government is making tangible moves to get ready for reopening then I guess 82% support it according to that headline? Even today there was more talk about this, getting the populace used to it.




WingNut60 15th Oct 2021 15:21


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11126978)
I’ve noticed The West has a habit of putting loaded headlines on paywalled articles as a draw card to get you to subscribe, and then the article text usually paints a less sensationalist picture.

It'd take more than that to get me to pay money to read their opinionated drivel.

My take is that most people in WA are happy to leave things as they are for now with an expectation that "opening up" is not that far off anyway.
It has been like this for eighteen months. A couple more is not really intolerable.

I think that the estimation of the extent to which people are yearning for travel, inter-state or international, is over-blown.

As for those busting a gut to get to Bali, have you considered what you're going to do for insurance?
Or to get a bed in a Bali hospital if you need it?
Or to get a flight home if you're Covid-blown or otherwise infected with some unidentified disease?



ruprecht 15th Oct 2021 19:00


Huge number of West Aussies who still back hard border


Support for WA’s hard border remains almost as high as it was a year ago, with the overwhelming majority of West Australians backing Premier Mark McGowan’s stance.

The trick is asking the right questions.



Ladloy 15th Oct 2021 20:29


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11126904)
1.

2. The vaccine uptake was low due to supply being diverted to NSW. The uptake of the available vaccine in the state is rated as “Fully Utilised” with little to no spare available in the last Health Department weekly update (page 18 )

Diverted to Sydney*. There are alarmingly low vaccine rates in regional NSW and anecdotally I know people who booked two months ago only getting their first this week.

KRviator 15th Oct 2021 22:18

Oh, Gee, McGoose, whodathunkit...You lock out hundreds, if not thousands, of FIFO employees and production goes down...:ugh:

Rio Tinto cuts iron ore shipments target amid worker shortage
Mining giant Rio Tinto has slashed its full-year target for shipments of the steel-making raw material iron ore as a severe labour shortage across Western Australia causes project delays.

The mining giant told investors on Friday it now expected to ship between 320 million tonnes and 325 million tonnes of iron ore – Australia’s biggest export – during the 12 months to December 31 after previously targeting as much as 340 million tonnes.

Rio largely attributed the downgrade to delays in commissioning new greenfield mines and mine-expansion projects due to the “tight labour market in WA”. Mining industry leaders say the state’s labour shortage has been exacerbated by coronavirus-related travel restrictions reducing mobility between states. Meanwhile, miners are also having to compete harder for skilled and experienced workers amid a government-backed construction boom on the east coast.

Production has also slowed down across Rio’s operations as the miner puts enhanced focus on Indigenous heritage issues following its ill-fated destruction of the ancient Juukan Gorge rock shelters.
Much of the increase in mining profits was driven by iron ore prices, which climbed well above $US200 a tonne earlier this year. Rio Tinto chief executive Jakob Stausholm on Friday said the third quarter had demonstrated the resilience of Rio’s workforce in dealing with ongoing COVID-19 challenges, but acknowledged it had been “another difficult quarter operationally”.

“Despite improving versus the prior quarter, we recognise the opportunity to raise our performance,” Mr Stausholm said. “We have consequently modestly adjusted our guidance.” Rio’s third-quarter iron ore shipments were 83.4 million tonnes, an increase of 9 per cent on the previous quarter, but 4 per cent lower than the same time last year.

The boom delivered huge profits and bumper dividends across the resources industry and helped bolster Australia’s finances during the depths of the COVID-19 crisis. In 2020-21, iron ore accounted for an extraordinary $150 billion in export earnings.

However, the commodity is now under mounting pressure as Beijing deepens production cuts across its steel mills to curb emissions from one of its worst-polluting industries. After reaching an all-time high of $US230 a tonne earlier this year, iron ore has had its price nearly cut in half and is now below $US120 a tonne. Source
Gotta love some of the comments in that article: "the third quarter had demonstrated the resilience of Rio’s workforce in dealing with ongoing COVID-19 challenges" - No, what you actually mean is your interstate FIFO workforce that cannot afford to be locked out of the state has all but had a gun held to their head to ensure they remain in WA during their RnR so they can still pay their mortgage - many of these staff, from sparkies to boilermakers through to the ISS staff in the camp have not seen their partners or children in months, and in a few cases close to a year.

And Rio are not the only ones, either...They just look to be the first ones to publicly acknowledge the downgrade...Rio Tinto's one saving grace is they have robot trains - A significant percentage of the rail crews up there, from all 4 major miners, come from outside WA.

Transition Layer 15th Oct 2021 22:35


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11126968)
Not a particular fan of McGowan, However your saying that people in WA are "inbred bogans" says more about you than it does about us.

When 90+% of the population in WA supported McGowan’s isolationist approach to covid, it’s hard not to direct frustration towards them.

And now here I’m getting the classic “if you don’t like it…leave!” Hilarious :hmm:

Buster Hyman 16th Oct 2021 00:33


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11126961)
Like the U.S., do you mean?

Or do you just mean a republic where the most populous states can impose their self-proclaimed superiority over the smaller states?

Oh God no! I mean where there are no States at all.

SOPS 16th Oct 2021 00:47


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11127216)
When 90+% of the population in WA supported McGowan’s isolationist approach to covid, it’s hard not to direct frustration towards them.

And now here I’m getting the classic “if you don’t like it…leave!” Hilarious :hmm:

May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?

Clare Prop 16th Oct 2021 00:56


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11127216)
When 90+% of the population in WA supported McGowan’s isolationist approach to covid, it’s hard not to direct frustration towards them.

And now here I’m getting the classic “if you don’t like it…leave!” Hilarious :hmm:

No, I said why don't you focus your bitterness and hatred elsewhere. Perhaps see someone about the problem you have that means you are so consumed with anger and spite about things you have no control over that you can't help yourself post over and over again anonymously insulting strangers about it..
It is very tedious having to read you go on and on about how much you loathe Western Australia, its Premier and the "inbred bogans" who live here.

Chronic Snoozer 16th Oct 2021 01:17


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11127242)
May I ask.. why are you frustrated, Because we are not locked down, don’t have to wear masks.. can go to the pub.. what frustrates you?

Because the reason WA is so strict has to do with a teetering health system.

Chronic Snoozer 16th Oct 2021 01:20


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11127246)
No, I said why don't you focus your bitterness and hatred elsewhere. Perhaps see someone about the problem you have that means you are so consumed with anger and spite about things you have no control over that you can't help yourself post over and over again anonymously insulting strangers about it..
It is very tedious having to read you go on and on about how much you loathe Western Australia, its Premier and the "inbred bogans" who live here.

How ironic. Mark McGowan, the New South Welshman? Seems his electorate is doing well in the vaccination race, fewer than 50% fully vaxxed. But hey that’s fine, we can all wait while people exercise their rights.

Chronic Snoozer 16th Oct 2021 01:30


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11127108)
The trick is asking the right questions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSKwf4AIlI

Where is the like button PpRuNe moderators!?

WingNut60 16th Oct 2021 02:22


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11127251)
........... But hey that’s fine, we can all wait while people exercise their rights.

I think that's about right.
Most West Aussies wants to see this all over as soon as possible.
And the comfortable life that we have been living has dis-incentivised far too many of the younger cohort from lining up.

But any possible benefits to be had by opening up prematurely are insufficient to justify throwing grandma onto the cooking fire.



Chronic Snoozer 16th Oct 2021 02:46


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11127261)
I think that's about right.
Most West Aussies wants to see this all over as soon as possible.
And the comfortable life that we have been living has dis-incentivised far too many of the younger cohort from lining up.

But any possible benefits to be had by opening up prematurely are insufficient to justify throwing grandma onto the cooking fire.

Grandma’s been vaxxed. Set a date, make the vaccine available. If you’re not vaxxed in time problem belongum u


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