Network EBA
At the moment all the stars are aligned politically, with public perception and with pilot shortage to claw a fraction back or at least slow the decline. 2024 is the opportunity. We have to back each other though, back other pilot groups, back cabin crew, back Engineers and ground staff. I sound a tad socialist but I’m not, I just think the system is ripe for a wee correction and now is the time.
The Network pilots are doing their bit and more for future generations of doers.
The Network pilots are doing their bit and more for future generations of doers.
My guess is they will order QF them back to the table. Finger crossed.
Considering the amount of Mainline pilots coming over to AFAP, or new Mainline recruits maintaining their AFAP memberships, it seems AIPA won't be around in the future if they don't dramatically chance their risk averse bargaining stance. It's been shown that a single union representing all pilots has significantly more power than multiple ones. Just look at the US.
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I can only imagine they have advice that says it will be approved (that or they are hoping we blink before shiz gets real). My understanding is that it is supposed to settle the few conditions that can’t be bridged by negotiations, not hash out an entire agreement, which is what Qantas is asking, so they must be getting different advice.
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I haven’t been on here for years.
I just wanted to add my support to the network guys/gals.
As a mainline pilot the outsourcing of my career has been infuriating.
QANTAS as a company has smashed all of us with their divide and conquer approach.
Enough is enough, we’re all one group in reality. ALL of the subsidiaries.
AIPA looks like they have made themselves irrelevant by toeing the company line for too long, and lacking ANY resolve or backbone. I won’t even comment on Nathan Safe 🤮.
I’m an AIPA member, but am VERY likely to switch to the AFAP after reading just one of their newsletters! Succinct, based on data and straight to the point. AIPA could learn a lot! Stop being pussies and do your jobs!
We must all stand together against the bullying, greed and manipulation (including Virgin, REX etc).
The clowns at the top have almost mismanaged QANTAS to death, and have still taken record packages…it’s time we call their BS out, and take our fair share…they can trim their grossly greedy packages.
Joyce/Venessa and the board should be ashamed of their behaviour, but carry on like business as usual. At least the media and public are starting to understand their true colours. Rape and pillage for your own benefit, it’s outrageous.
Network pilots deserve a fair wage and an EBA that gives them some home life/balance. We all deserve that.
And please all take a breath and stay the course. The government is behind you, the public is behind you, QANTAS pilots are behind you (95% of us), the IR laws are in your favour (massively), there is a serious qualified pilot shortage…there is so little risk now and everything to gain.
and be careful of posters on here…sowing the seeds of doubt etc. management read and comment as if part of the pilot community. Beware
Stay STRONG 👊🏼
I just wanted to add my support to the network guys/gals.
As a mainline pilot the outsourcing of my career has been infuriating.
QANTAS as a company has smashed all of us with their divide and conquer approach.
Enough is enough, we’re all one group in reality. ALL of the subsidiaries.
AIPA looks like they have made themselves irrelevant by toeing the company line for too long, and lacking ANY resolve or backbone. I won’t even comment on Nathan Safe 🤮.
I’m an AIPA member, but am VERY likely to switch to the AFAP after reading just one of their newsletters! Succinct, based on data and straight to the point. AIPA could learn a lot! Stop being pussies and do your jobs!
We must all stand together against the bullying, greed and manipulation (including Virgin, REX etc).
The clowns at the top have almost mismanaged QANTAS to death, and have still taken record packages…it’s time we call their BS out, and take our fair share…they can trim their grossly greedy packages.
Joyce/Venessa and the board should be ashamed of their behaviour, but carry on like business as usual. At least the media and public are starting to understand their true colours. Rape and pillage for your own benefit, it’s outrageous.
Network pilots deserve a fair wage and an EBA that gives them some home life/balance. We all deserve that.
And please all take a breath and stay the course. The government is behind you, the public is behind you, QANTAS pilots are behind you (95% of us), the IR laws are in your favour (massively), there is a serious qualified pilot shortage…there is so little risk now and everything to gain.
and be careful of posters on here…sowing the seeds of doubt etc. management read and comment as if part of the pilot community. Beware
Stay STRONG 👊🏼
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Just sayin'
From The Australian
From The Australian
Train drivers at BHP’s iron ore division in Western Australia have secured a 20 per cent pay rise plus a $40,000 “retention” bonus after threatening the sector’s first 24 hour strike in the Pilbara for 15 years.
Under an in-principle agreement struck between BHP and the Mining and Energy Union, the annual salary of the drivers will jump from $240,000 to $292,000 over the life of the four year agreement.
Under an in-principle agreement struck between BHP and the Mining and Energy Union, the annual salary of the drivers will jump from $240,000 to $292,000 over the life of the four year agreement.
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This is now having a serious effect, there is a massive lack of crew on the 737 mainline operation over the next few days, due to the fact they had a brain fart to send some 737 aircraft west to try and fix the problem. The 737 is struggling to crew aircraft in normal times and now this, watch the ****show unfold. No one is volunteering to work and sick leave is through the roof! Consult that Alan with a Wig! This is a beautiful thing to watch……
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I haven’t been on here for years.
I just wanted to add my support to the network guys/gals.
As a mainline pilot the outsourcing of my career has been infuriating.
QANTAS as a company has smashed all of us with their divide and conquer approach.
Enough is enough, we’re all one group in reality. ALL of the subsidiaries.
AIPA looks like they have made themselves irrelevant by toeing the company line for too long, and lacking ANY resolve or backbone. I won’t even comment on Nathan Safe 🤮.
I’m an AIPA member, but am VERY likely to switch to the AFAP after reading just one of their newsletters! Succinct, based on data and straight to the point. AIPA could learn a lot! Stop being pussies and do your jobs!
We must all stand together against the bullying, greed and manipulation (including Virgin, REX etc).
The clowns at the top have almost mismanaged QANTAS to death, and have still taken record packages…it’s time we call their BS out, and take our fair share…they can trim their grossly greedy packages.
Joyce/Venessa and the board should be ashamed of their behaviour, but carry on like business as usual. At least the media and public are starting to understand their true colours. Rape and pillage for your own benefit, it’s outrageous.
Network pilots deserve a fair wage and an EBA that gives them some home life/balance. We all deserve that.
And please all take a breath and stay the course. The government is behind you, the public is behind you, QANTAS pilots are behind you (95% of us), the IR laws are in your favour (massively), there is a serious qualified pilot shortage…there is so little risk now and everything to gain.
and be careful of posters on here…sowing the seeds of doubt etc. management read and comment as if part of the pilot community. Beware
Stay STRONG 👊🏼
I just wanted to add my support to the network guys/gals.
As a mainline pilot the outsourcing of my career has been infuriating.
QANTAS as a company has smashed all of us with their divide and conquer approach.
Enough is enough, we’re all one group in reality. ALL of the subsidiaries.
AIPA looks like they have made themselves irrelevant by toeing the company line for too long, and lacking ANY resolve or backbone. I won’t even comment on Nathan Safe 🤮.
I’m an AIPA member, but am VERY likely to switch to the AFAP after reading just one of their newsletters! Succinct, based on data and straight to the point. AIPA could learn a lot! Stop being pussies and do your jobs!
We must all stand together against the bullying, greed and manipulation (including Virgin, REX etc).
The clowns at the top have almost mismanaged QANTAS to death, and have still taken record packages…it’s time we call their BS out, and take our fair share…they can trim their grossly greedy packages.
Joyce/Venessa and the board should be ashamed of their behaviour, but carry on like business as usual. At least the media and public are starting to understand their true colours. Rape and pillage for your own benefit, it’s outrageous.
Network pilots deserve a fair wage and an EBA that gives them some home life/balance. We all deserve that.
And please all take a breath and stay the course. The government is behind you, the public is behind you, QANTAS pilots are behind you (95% of us), the IR laws are in your favour (massively), there is a serious qualified pilot shortage…there is so little risk now and everything to gain.
and be careful of posters on here…sowing the seeds of doubt etc. management read and comment as if part of the pilot community. Beware
Stay STRONG 👊🏼
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This is now having a serious effect, there is a massive lack of crew on the 737 mainline operation over the next few days, due to the fact they had a brain fart to send some 737 aircraft west to try and fix the problem. The 737 is struggling to crew aircraft in normal times and now this, watch the ****show unfold. No one is volunteering to work and sick leave is through the roof! Consult that Alan with a Wig! This is a beautiful thing to watch……
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Oh so talking about junkets to Vegas and the footy (even when the season hadn't started) isn't succinct enough?
This is now having a serious effect, there is a massive lack of crew on the 737 mainline operation over the next few days, due to the fact they had a brain fart to send some 737 aircraft west to try and fix the problem. The 737 is struggling to crew aircraft in normal times and now this, watch the ****show unfold. No one is volunteering to work and sick leave is through the roof! Consult that Alan with a Wig! This is a beautiful thing to watch……
Heard NS boarded an aircraft west today, looking forward to hearing about some IR solutions
I believe you Network guys and girls meet with the QLink CEO tomorrow.
She will spin the same stuff they've told every other subsidiary in the last 15 years: there is a set cost. Contracts cost a set amount and they cannot go above this set cost. Basically; their strategic imperative. The same spin Tino (former international CEO) threatened long haul pilots with or risk losing the a350. The difference is they have not once used the term strategic imperative. They've distanced themselves from this word as it's effectiveness dried up with the a350 threats and later the 321XLR.
Set cost is a them problem especially during record profits.
You have the power. The pilot shortage is real and the market for our skills world wide is strong. They have no choice but to increase the cost of the exploitation bubble they so desperately want to trick you into operating within.
Don't budge. They have no legitimate moves to make. It's all a bluff from them. Your skills are in high demand. Let them make their scary threats: It's all empty.
She will spin the same stuff they've told every other subsidiary in the last 15 years: there is a set cost. Contracts cost a set amount and they cannot go above this set cost. Basically; their strategic imperative. The same spin Tino (former international CEO) threatened long haul pilots with or risk losing the a350. The difference is they have not once used the term strategic imperative. They've distanced themselves from this word as it's effectiveness dried up with the a350 threats and later the 321XLR.
Set cost is a them problem especially during record profits.
You have the power. The pilot shortage is real and the market for our skills world wide is strong. They have no choice but to increase the cost of the exploitation bubble they so desperately want to trick you into operating within.
Don't budge. They have no legitimate moves to make. It's all a bluff from them. Your skills are in high demand. Let them make their scary threats: It's all empty.
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You reckon they’ll put the last deal back on the table now they reckon we’re all suitably shaken by the threat of IB? Good luck to them there. Word is (as everyone has said many times in this and other threads) they are pretty terrified of actually going to IB. I can’t say the same for everyone I talk to in the pilot group.
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Don't budge. They have no legitimate moves to make. It's all a bluff from them. Your skills are in high demand. Let them make their scary threats: It's all empty.