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Old 9th Jan 2024, 13:11
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I’ve seen a copy of the agreement recently voted on, can anyone tell me why it says “F100/E190” on the pay scales?

Has it actually been stated E190’s are a planned F100 replacement?
(logic would say yes, but this is aviation!)

A reasonable assumption could be made that Alliance in WA will be all E190’s one day (given they already operate them), but for Network that’s a new type.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 13:20
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Still 43% are as clueless and piss-weak as I need a change. And that’s a disappointing amount of people.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 22:30
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There are always going to be people who vote Yes.

1. Younger folks who are new to the game and don’t know what an EA is or its implications.

2. Older folk who just need a few more years until retirement and don’t want to shake the boat in case their work stops/base closure/ect.

3. FOs who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at CMD upgrade time.

4. Capts who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at Trainer selection time.

5. Family people who are worried about base closures at a financially important time (new house/kids.

Most of these things are irrelevant to a result of a Pilot EA vote and if QF want to close a base or reduce work the EA won’t affect it but you can’t tell some people that…

I’ve always thought the AFAP should have a brochure explaining what an EA is and its affects ect. and send it out to new starters so there’s a better understanding of it all.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 23:27
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
There are always going to be people who vote Yes.

1. Younger folks who are new to the game and don’t know what an EA is or its implications.

2. Older folk who just need a few more years until retirement and don’t want to shake the boat in case their work stops/base closure/ect.

3. FOs who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at CMD upgrade time.

4. Capts who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at Trainer selection time.

5. Family people who are worried about base closures at a financially important time (new house/kids.

Most of these things are irrelevant to a result of a Pilot EA vote and if QF want to close a base or reduce work the EA won’t affect it but you can’t tell some people that…

I’ve always thought the AFAP should have a brochure explaining what an EA is and its affects ect. and send it out to new starters so there’s a better understanding of it all.
6. Those wishing for backpay before jumping ship.
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Old 9th Jan 2024, 23:58
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#3 and #4 do they not realise the vote is anonymous?
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 00:30
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Network sounds like an awesome place to work. Obviously a great culture……if you just do what everyone else does and don’t voice an opinion contrary to the popular narrative.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 02:12
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#2 and #5 Base closure? and what , send the work to mainline? I'm sure the crews would welcome some day trips again.

All quiet on the Western Front , the yatch name KPI remains moored and under contract in Balmain no doubt.

Anyone seen INOAC? #6 no doubt applicable.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 02:44
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#2 and #5 Base closure? and what , send the work to mainline? I'm sure the crews would welcome some day trips again.
I think that poster is referring to pilots in any company who’ll always vote Yes to an EBA in general, not specifically this EBA.

I remember a story in a previous life about a pilot who loudly proclaimed to management that he would proudly be voting Yes to a fairly rotten EA most disapproved of. A few month later he got a management job and a training role out of the blue, so this type of thing happens.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 04:48
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Threatening base closures have been a mainstay for IR when it comes to contractors or subsidiaries with bases spread around the country. It usually pops up around this time or whenever pilots have the audacity to expect decent working conditions.

As we’ve seen however, QF tend to close bases whenever someone sneezes, only to reopen them a few years later. You could work for free and give away all of your rights and still have your base rug pulled out from under you.

Hang tough, we’re worth more!
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 05:30
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Threatening base closures have been a mainstay for IR when it comes to contractors or subsidiaries with bases spread around the country. It usually pops up around this time or whenever pilots have the audacity to expect decent working conditions.

As we’ve seen however, QF tend to close bases whenever someone sneezes, only to reopen them a few years later. You could work for free and give away all of your rights and still have your base rug pulled out from under you.

Hang tough, we’re worth more!
I could be proven wrong but it seems like >50% won’t vote yes to any ‘zero cost increase’ proposal. Whatever anyone says about IB I don’t think Fair Work will place this limitation on a contract. Also it would involve fantasy accounting to claim that the last proposal didn’t actually involve a cost increase so we may as well hold out until they offer something good now that they have crossed that threshold.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 00:19
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Guy and girls on the ground are talking about a 5 day stop work this month to pressure qf into some action. Hopefully the unions can make this happen!
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 00:22
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Guy and girls on the ground are talking about a 5 day stop work this month to pressure qf into some action. Hopefully the unions can make this happen!
Heard this on the vine as well from pals there. Stick it to them. Sooner the better IMO.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 01:34
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It’s heartening to hear Network pilots standing up for better treatment. My understanding is that the deal over West is quite substandard by any measure. QF IR need a reset, pronto, the Joyce brain fart on wages must be assigned to the bin, where it belongs. The SH mainline EA looks as if it may be another bruising encounter for them. The LH mainline EA will be a fist fight.

Keep it up folks.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 22:35
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I've been down a rabbit hole and came across this quote from Captain Sullenberger, 2009, some 15 years ago. It still resonates.(My bold)
Members, I attempt to speak accurately and plainly, so please do not think I exaggerate when I say I do not know a single professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps. I am worried that the airline piloting profession will not be able to continue to attract the best and the brightest.The current experience and skills of our country’s professional airline pilots come from investments made years ago, when we were able to attract the ambitious, talented people who now frequently seek professional careers elsewhere. That past investment was an indispensable element in our commercial aviation infrastructure, vital to safe air travel and our country’s economy and security. If we do not sufficiently value the airline piloting profession and future pilots are less experienced and less skilled, it logically follows that we will see negative consequences to the flying public and to our country.

We face remarkable challenges in our industry. In order to ensure economic security and an uncompromising approach to passenger safety, management must work with labor to bargain in good faith, we must find collective solutions that address the huge economic issues we face in recruiting and retaining the experienced and highly-skilled professionals that the industry requires and that passenger safety demands.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...1hhrg47866.pdf
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 22:37
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Keep up the good fight lads/gals. Shut them down again if you have to. It’s about time the aviation unions harden up and become more like unions of other industries in this country. Just have a look at what’s going on with the ports.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business...push-up-prices

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Old 12th Jan 2024, 23:14
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If port workers have been on the same T&C slippery dip that workers in most other industries have, the economic damage really lies with the sheeple CEOs who caused it. Furthermore if Australia hadn’t shut down all manufacturing citing the cost of staffing, we would be somewhat immune to the cost of importing things we can (and should) make here.

Staff are not a cost, they’re an asset.

Keep it up!
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Old 13th Jan 2024, 00:04
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Not all manufacturing has been shutdown. Australia still manufactures red tape and non-gendered text.
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Old 13th Jan 2024, 00:16
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Not all manufacturing has been shutdown. Australia still manufactures red tape and non-gendered text.
The two previous governments had the opportunity to bring high tech manufacturing to Aus, but here we are. The brain drain continues.
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Old 15th Jan 2024, 10:03
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Time for another strike, the message just isn't getting through. Fair work have approved it, C'mon AFAP !
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Old 15th Jan 2024, 21:04
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Sounds like a stop work is required.
That would send a clear message
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