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Old 5th Feb 2024, 21:40
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AFAP should use our dues from every subsidiary they organise to hire the best legal team money can buy. Fire must be met with fire. This is a chance to set a precedence for every pilot EA in the country!
Agreed. Better still, all the unions start discharging their responsibilities as pilot reps instead of indulging in self interest. Now is the time.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 22:17
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Plus, I’m assuming they’re all members of the Chairman’s Lounge.
Aaahhhhh, that’s actually a really good point. Remember the hoo-ha when it became widely known that every one of the High Court Judges were using the Chairman’s Lounge?
I imagine there is a very high probability that the people ‘independently’ assessing the Network situation have in fact been relaxing in the Lounge eating Lobster while their flight schedules are monitored and updated.
​​​​​​​Without Joe Aston I doubt we’ll ever find out though.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 23:04
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Looking downrange ....

"Dear Customers and Partners,

We're shifting gears due to challenging market conditions in Network aviation, coupled with concerns about reputation damage. As a result, we're exiting the network aviation business to focus exclusively on serving the Pilbara region with our Mainline B737 services.

We remain committed to safety, reliability, and excellent service. Your support is appreciated during this transition, and we look forward to continuing our journey with you in the Pilbara."
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 23:53
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Looking downrange ....

"Dear Customers and Partners,

We're shifting gears due to challenging market conditions in Network aviation, coupled with concerns about reputation damage. As a result, we're exiting the network aviation business to focus exclusively on serving the Pilbara region with our Mainline B737 services.

We remain committed to safety, reliability, and excellent service. Your support is appreciated during this transition, and we look forward to continuing our journey with you in the Pilbara."
Certainly not the first time this has been suggested but it does pose an interesting question. Practically speaking, how easy would this be for them to achieve? Not being the generational business genius they tend to have on staff my opinion probably doesn’t mean much, but it sounds like a more expensive option than setting fire to money. They don’t have crew to meet existing demands and I’d imagine sacking a sizeable percentage of their workforce would not help that situation.
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 23:57
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Dear Customers and Partners,

We're shifting gears due to the widely reported global pilot shortage. As a result, we're exiting several low performing contracts in the Pilbara region.

We remain committed to safety, reliability, and excellent service. Your support is appreciated during this transition, and we look forward to continuing our journey with you.”
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I’d imagine sacking a sizeable percentage of their workforce would not help that situation.
What % of QF Group narrow body pilots is it? 5? 10?
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What % of QF Group narrow body pilots is it? 5? 10?
250-270 pilots, not sure what the group total is
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 02:32
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That really worked well when they sacked the baggies.
Total financial debacle and PR disgrace.
i don’t think they will revisit such a drastic plan again.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 04:29
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I saw your post TooManyPineapples , not the intention. 100% support the crew. But it would be totally naive to think once a deal is signed everyone will shake hands move on after taking some of the most detrimental action (to the business) in the last few decades.

Hearing perth short haul guys are being pulled off their flights reassigned onto the flights they used to do / wish they still did to cover.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 04:37
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But it would be totally naive to think once a deal is signed everyone will shake hands move on
Thats exactly what happens. The executive management don’t carry the same levels of emotion into these things. It might as well be a negotiation for fuel or spare parts. Once the price is locked in, they move on. At least that’s what I’ve witnessed over the last 30+ years. If you think about it it makes sense, once the deal is done what changes for them? Nothing day to day, just a number on a spreadsheet. What changes for the employee? Everything from the weekly shopping to whether or not a family holiday can be taken. Don’t be tempted to think they care to the same degree employees do.
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Is it true that AIPA pilots have started taking extra financial incentives to do work on strike days while AFAP pilots strike? What madness is going on
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Is it true that AIPA pilots have started taking extra financial incentives to do work on strike days while AFAP pilots strike? What madness is going on
This is completley true 2/3 aipa reps on the last PIA not only worked which is totally acceptable as they were not protected. They voluntarily took double payments to do extra work. Disgusting
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 10:24
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Company is also building patterns for east coast pilots to cover WA flying. Weird how east coast pilots were deemed unsuited to Pilbara ops until it was going to cost the company a few $$$ but now they’re good to go.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 11:13
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Company is also building patterns for east coast pilots to cover WA flying. Weird how east coast pilots were deemed unsuited to Pilbara ops until it was going to cost the company a few $$$ but now they’re good to go.
Safely does it mate. We're trying to run an airline here.
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They are the 25 per cent, over four years, wage increases agreed with the DP World wharfies - half our waterside workers - and the similar 25 per cent wage deal with the CFMEU, and thus, indirectly, all workers in construction.
Let me spell it out, as Bullock would as well: if 6 per cent-a-year wage increases became generalised and entrenched across the economy, it would be absolutely incompatible with keeping inflation even at 4-5 per cent, far less getting it down and then keeping it down below 3 per cent

From a Terry McCrann article, so I ask myself if it’s good enough for wharfies and construction workers why isn’t it good enough for Network pilots and in fact all aviation workers.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 19:15
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“Qantas loses patience with Network Aviation pilots…..” That’s odd, every member of Qantas has lost patience with the management. It’s a job, not servitude.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 20:09
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They are the 25 per cent, over four years, wage increases agreed with the DP World wharfies - half our waterside workers - and the similar 25 per cent wage deal with the CFMEU, and thus, indirectly, all workers in construction.
Let me spell it out, as Bullock would as well: if 6 per cent-a-year wage increases became generalised and entrenched across the economy, it would be absolutely incompatible with keeping inflation even at 4-5 per cent, far less getting it down and then keeping it down below 3 per cent

From a Terry McCrann article, so I ask myself if it’s good enough for wharfies and construction workers why isn’t it good enough for Network pilots and in fact all aviation workers.
Indeed. And our economics expert friend McCrann failed to consider the decades long pay freeze where pilot salaries plummeted. 25% gets us back to where we might have been in the late 90’s, QF et al have a loooong way to go.

I’ve been told that several pilots from the east coast operation have been unavailable to help break the strike over here. Amazing to feel the support!
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 22:00
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I’ve been told that several pilots from the east coast operation have been unavailable to help break the strike over here. Amazing to feel the support!
One particular operator was offering Captains over $5,000 to ‘assist’ in the west and didn’t have any volunteers.
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Old 6th Feb 2024, 22:12
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One particular operator was offering Captains over $5,000 to ‘assist’ in the west and didn’t have any volunteers.
So we won’t see any 717’s over here??
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As Paul Keating so beautifully said “ remember when you build a nest of sh#t one day you might have to lie in it” definitely hope that it happens to Qantas with National Jet.
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