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Sorry but that’s hardly accurate.
The deal put to the vote would have seen all of the NWK pilots paid above the award. The majority decided what was on offer was not enough, which is fine. So we shall see what the FWC decides.
Let’s say it is QF SH (personally I highly doubt that) but if it was then the company I would suspect would be rather motivated to ensure they are used like QF SH crew and multi day trips might become the norm. Something that very much did have a restriction placed on it in the deal voted down and one that doesn’t exist in the expired deal.
The deal put to the vote would have seen all of the NWK pilots paid above the award. The majority decided what was on offer was not enough, which is fine. So we shall see what the FWC decides.
Let’s say it is QF SH (personally I highly doubt that) but if it was then the company I would suspect would be rather motivated to ensure they are used like QF SH crew and multi day trips might become the norm. Something that very much did have a restriction placed on it in the deal voted down and one that doesn’t exist in the expired deal.
you wear a Qantas uniform don’t cry when you’re rostered Qantas routes and are paid an extra 100k a year.
im sure many 737 drivers would love to see day drips to Broome, Darwin etc all return to the 737 if we spread the overnights around
The final outcome of IB will determine that.
Glad you’re so happy to see the possibility of NWK being wrapped up as a great outcome for the people who have established lives in Perth. It wasn’t such a horrible place during Covid when other airlines were
collapsing and offered a flying job. The joys of most airlines in Australia mean it’s rather problematic to transfer your skills and experience and have them afford you a similar position with another competitor. Overseas a complete different ballgame but that comes with it moving your family or commuting which doesn’t suite everyone despite the pay check it provides.
Glad you’re so happy to see the possibility of NWK being wrapped up as a great outcome for the people who have established lives in Perth. It wasn’t such a horrible place during Covid when other airlines were
collapsing and offered a flying job. The joys of most airlines in Australia mean it’s rather problematic to transfer your skills and experience and have them afford you a similar position with another competitor. Overseas a complete different ballgame but that comes with it moving your family or commuting which doesn’t suite everyone despite the pay check it provides.
Or what about those network pilots (one in particular) who illegally isolated at home after prancing around Singapore for two months getting their a320 upgrades when actual Qantas pilots were busting ass in Bunnings or in the mines? Yeah really nice place to work. Glad that prick got caught out and dragged into a hotel for his 14 days
I Need Of A Change’s logic:
I’m selling item X on gumtree/eBay for price Y.
One potential buyer offers much lower than price Y.
INOAC’s thought process: “oh well, may as well accept it and not haggle on price because their heavily undercut offer is better than them walking away and no offer at all, because I’m not confident and I’m weak for a man. I have a sloppy hand shake and the sound of my piss hitting a toilet is feminine because I sit when I piss”
I’m selling item X on gumtree/eBay for price Y.
One potential buyer offers much lower than price Y.
INOAC’s thought process: “oh well, may as well accept it and not haggle on price because their heavily undercut offer is better than them walking away and no offer at all, because I’m not confident and I’m weak for a man. I have a sloppy hand shake and the sound of my piss hitting a toilet is feminine because I sit when I piss”
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When are you going to wake up and realise NAA pilots aren’t afraid any more? You keep threatening the world falling in - they keep shrugging their shoulders 😎
The real problem here is that QF IR know no other way of doing business. You had them at 47/53. Can’t believe you managed to f*** up everything so badly from there on 😂 Perhaps you should have stayed at AIPA?
Sorry if that’s such a struggle to understand.
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A NAA Captain would earn more as a short haul FO - with less responsibility, less hours, more operational support, with better industrial protections and conditions.
When are you going to wake up and realise NAA pilots aren’t afraid any more? You keep threatening the world falling in - they keep shrugging their shoulders 😎
The real problem here is that QF IR know no other way of doing business. You had them at 47/53. Can’t believe you managed to f*** up everything so badly from there on 😂 Perhaps you should have stayed at AIPA?
Sorry if that’s such a struggle to understand.
When are you going to wake up and realise NAA pilots aren’t afraid any more? You keep threatening the world falling in - they keep shrugging their shoulders 😎
The real problem here is that QF IR know no other way of doing business. You had them at 47/53. Can’t believe you managed to f*** up everything so badly from there on 😂 Perhaps you should have stayed at AIPA?
Sorry if that’s such a struggle to understand.
This thread has mainly been a display of the best of Australian aviation with an unbelievable deal of resolve from my colleagues, coupled with a tremendous level of support from the wider community. Hopefully we’ve moved past the stage where Qantas tries to pester us into anything (unless they’re planning on getting a ouija board out and running the deal past us again)- because this has taken a toll: financial pain, a heavily strained marriage and stress related illness are things that have affected me personally and I’m sure I’m not alone- so I’m bowing out of any discussion of the now defunct proposed deals and moving on to how best to direct our reps in their dealings with the FWC.
It may sound naive, because this process is steeped in politics, but about the only weapon we have might be a good argument and it’s best to talk in terms the commission understands. I’m sure most people are aware, but the criteria for making a determination are:
I’m not trying to direct debate but there is a fair amount of wisdom here so if anyone has anything insightful to say on these points I’m sure our reps would appreciate it.
It may sound naive, because this process is steeped in politics, but about the only weapon we have might be a good argument and it’s best to talk in terms the commission understands. I’m sure most people are aware, but the criteria for making a determination are:
- the merits of the case
- the interests of the employers and employees who will be covered by the determination
- the significance of any arrangements or benefits in an enterprise agreement that applies to the employees and employers immediately before the determination is made
- the public interest
- how productivity in the relevant enterprise(s) might be improved
- the reasonableness of the conduct of the bargaining representatives during bargaining
- the extent that bargaining representatives have complied with good faith bargaining requirements, and
- incentives to continue bargaining at a later time.
I’m not trying to direct debate but there is a fair amount of wisdom here so if anyone has anything insightful to say on these points I’m sure our reps would appreciate it.
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Work about half the time, not many BoC flights (although that’ll probably increase as SH transitions to the A321) and maybe 8-9 overnights a roster at the bottom of the rotation, 0 at the top if you want, maybe 4-5 nights away per roster overall.
Plus the biggest advantage - you’re on a seniority list where you can bid for command and long haul and clean up even more. Have a bit of variety in flying too every now and then, unless starting work at 4am to fly to the Pilbara and back for the rest of your career excites you.
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Stop outsourcing skilled jobs. It’ll reduce costs in the short term but cost more in the end with the loss of flexibility and quality control.
Operate a fleet of young aircraft.
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If what was on offer was voted up I’d be on over 300K for around 45 hours a month. Yes I know that’ll all change when the company choose, yet despite them being short staffed now my roster is still all 2 sectors day returns and weekend off so despite the capability to roster all that overtime etc they don’t…
I don’t want to work those hours or do that many overnights. I’ve done that before and I’ve done long haul before so given I have a Command a variety of flying on the past the current roster suites me personally well. I can certainly understand it doesn’t appeal to all and especially if I was new to the airlines I would not want to do this my entire career, but for me that’s not where things sit.
I don’t want to work those hours or do that many overnights. I’ve done that before and I’ve done long haul before so given I have a Command a variety of flying on the past the current roster suites me personally well. I can certainly understand it doesn’t appeal to all and especially if I was new to the airlines I would not want to do this my entire career, but for me that’s not where things sit.
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People can fact check all they want. Take my applicable year pay scale on the A320, throw on the DHA for 80-90 hours duty per roster period and multiply that by 13. Add the applicable TCORG allowance and there you go.
I do love brain dead, 2 month old management troll accounts trying to cosplay as the worlds saltiest mainline captain.
This is now the 3rd time in this thread this dopey account has written precisely the same throwaway line.
Tell me mate, is it working? Did the latest vote look like your strategy is showing promise?
The desperation is palpable. Love it.
This is now the 3rd time in this thread this dopey account has written precisely the same throwaway line.
Tell me mate, is it working? Did the latest vote look like your strategy is showing promise?
The desperation is palpable. Love it.
Like I said, if you want a payrise resign from NAA and join mainline as a SO and then take a quick promotion to 737 FO. Then, like magic, you’ll find yourself on mainline SH T&C. It’s not that complicated. NAA isn’t mainline and shouldn’t be paid as such.
Nice try.
Like I said, if you want a payrise resign from NAA and join mainline as a SO and then take a quick promotion to 737 FO. Then, like magic, you’ll find yourself on mainline SH T&C. It’s not that complicated. NAA isn’t mainline and shouldn’t be paid as such.
Like I said, if you want a payrise resign from NAA and join mainline as a SO and then take a quick promotion to 737 FO. Then, like magic, you’ll find yourself on mainline SH T&C. It’s not that complicated. NAA isn’t mainline and shouldn’t be paid as such.
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This basically proves you’re not a pilot mate. Trainers at NAA get flogged as hard as absolutely possible, and have been for decades. That won’t change. This is why most pilots AVOID that role.
45 hours a month in the TCORG!!!!!? I’ll have what you’re smoking there pal.
This basically proves you’re not a pilot mate. Trainers at NAA get flogged as hard as absolutely possible, and have been for decades. That won’t change. This is why most pilots AVOID that role.
This basically proves you’re not a pilot mate. Trainers at NAA get flogged as hard as absolutely possible, and have been for decades. That won’t change. This is why most pilots AVOID that role.
A few posts earlier he was advocating for a check and training rate that is a percentage and not a flat rate. If he was doing as little flying as he claims to be (45 hours stick, I nearly choked on my dinner!), the flat rate would work out better!!
This is without mentioning that 300k for being a check and trainer on a high capacity jet is hardly eye watering. Line check airmen in the US would laugh at that.
He actually might not be.
As someone posted earlier:
Yes, they did it for years, on mainline terms and conditions. And now, Network pilots do it for less.
So it’s probably natural that some pilots feel like they have been undercut and are now expected to show support to those that accepted the lower conditions in the first place.
As someone posted earlier:
So it’s probably natural that some pilots feel like they have been undercut and are now expected to show support to those that accepted the lower conditions in the first place.
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