Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

QF mandates Vaccine

Old 23rd Aug 2021, 04:53
  #181 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 653
Received 57 Likes on 13 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
Well you have to understand the vaccination certificate is not a legal document like a birth certificate, that's why when you apply for your passport you have to present the "original" document, not a copy. To be a legal document it must have legislation behind it. Neither your company mandate or the vaccine certificate has any such legislation, so it's a bit like presenting an unlawful document to support your unlawful question. It's pointless. The vaccine certificate is for your benefit something to flash so you can go in the pub about all it's useful for.
...and any pilot who wishes to fake their document to continue their employment can freely use your quote above.

As I said, good luck with it.
ruprecht is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 05:10
  #182 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Joobs
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by turbantime
Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, I should have proof read it. It has now been corrected.

Yes, I admit my points are selfish but they’re borne out of exasperation. I have given up, good luck to you when exposed to the virus. I hope you also don’t go to the hospital when you’re fighting for your life because they’re full of the medical experts that you despise. By you, I don’t literally mean you, I mean the anti-vaxxers.
You're welcome although as you realise it wasn't about the error but the irony. Thank you for acknowledging the point I hoped to make regarding the inherent selfishness behind the choices people make in this area; I've been selfish in my own decision on whether or not to be injected with one of these substances, taking into account those around me about whom I care, my job and my need to travel.

Originally Posted by Street garbage
MuttleyCrew, I will respect your choice not to vax, just as you should respect my choice not to fly with those who are not.
So, being fearful, will you remove yourself from roster if you see the wrong name next to yours? If not, how will you mitigate the risk?

I never said I haven't been injected; my comments are in relation to the rabid, foaming, frenzied avidity with which some of the the submissive here enjoy attacking the holdouts.

Originally Posted by Street garbage
I will ask a question- do I have to fly with an non C-19 vaxxer??...and what happens if I catch C-19 off them??
The short answer is: No, you do not have to and you are free to decline to sign on. If you're C-19 "vaccinated" what are you afraid of? I presume you're concerned because the C-19 "vaccine" likely won't actually prevent you from catching the disease so in that case, according to Big Brother, "what happens" is you'll experience something akin to a cold which you've no doubt been through many times and even flown with, infecting others as you did so. Since we've all accepted the status quo wrt the cold being passed around the workplace I don't see the problem with C-19 for the injected; this is referred to as "living with C19."

Being an altruist you should be more concerned about the uninjected.

​​​​​Those "non C-19 vaxxers" might be asking, do they have to fly next to spike-protein shedders.

Originally Posted by Xeptu
Who knows this may turn out to be a global conspiracy, a well designed population cull for the unvaccinated and those that can't afford the antivaccine in the future.
In such a theory, ironic or not, it might be a little early to tell which group is being weeded out as although we see a death rate in the uninjected diseased of a fraction of a percent, we have yet to see the long-term effect of the injection on those who submit to it. I congratulate anyone here who's had the injection and reported no side effects by the end of the week; let's all come back on this day every year and see how its going down the track. We can share stories about heart enlargement, etc.
Muttley Crew is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 05:23
  #183 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Joobs
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
So what you're saying is that if you get vaccinated you're a sheep?
Possibly what he's saying is if you believe everything you're told by the media and your state dictator and never even consider the possibility of any ulterior motives or even sheer ignorance by your government, and if you are thoroughly unconcerned by and trusting in 'Big Pharma', and if you aren't in the least concerned that anyone who dares to even ask a question is publicly shot down lest they slow down the drive to have everyone "protected" against a disease which is slightly worse for society than the flu, and if you aren't given to the least bit of thought about being injected by something produced in a rush and which they originally told us would take years but somehow miraculously turned up a year later and which hasn't been fully-tested yet and which is surrounded by evidence of the presence of profound side effects, and if you are perfectly happy to have your body injected with this medical experiment because everyone else is doing it then, yes, you are a bit like a sheep.
Muttley Crew is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 05:26
  #184 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 45 Likes on 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
Well you have to understand the vaccination certificate is not a legal document like a birth certificate, that's why when you apply for your passport you have to present the "original" document, not a copy. To be a legal document it must have legislation behind it. Neither your company mandate or the vaccine certificate has any such legislation, so it's a bit like presenting an unlawful document to support your unlawful question. It's pointless. The vaccine certificate is for your benefit something to flash so you can go in the pub about all it's useful for.
So you are suggesting to present a forged document to your employer? Hmmm..... I can only imagine how successful that will be when your employer finds out, fires you and you try that argument at FWC. Good luck with your projects!!!
1A_Please is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 05:51
  #185 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: In a cloud...
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by turbantime
I'm not the least bit worried as I've put a whole lot of other crap in my body which I knew was bad for me. This would have to be the most scrutinized vaccine in history.

Wrong. Death rate at 2%: Worldometers

Oh yeah, we all really admire your bravado in completely rejecting science and medical experts. Whatever helps you sleep at night pal.

Look again, and see how effective it is in keeping people out of hospital. Have a look at the 'severely ill' graph: Israel dashboard

The time bombs are the ones that won't get vaccinated and play russian roulette with the disease.

Because people like you are a health risk and will be directly responsible for filling up hospitals. Because people like you means that I don't get to enjoy further freedoms.
I respect your choice, but freedom of choice is not free from the consequences. Good luck in your alternative career.
-Actually Death to Case ratio (total) is 0.020. In 1 million people- 27153 confirmed cases and 568 deaths...that´s total numbers, the big picture if you want and, paying attention to the total numbers, a drop in the ocean whether you want it or not.

If we go by age groups it can easily seen which one is the risky group.

According to W.H.O (https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1):


-"Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Most people who fall sick with COVID-19 will experience mild to moderate symptoms and recover without special treatment. However, some will become seriously ill and require medical attention.
Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, and cancer are more likely to develop serious illness..."

Regarding ICUs being overwhelmed, well I guess it depends on how many resources they have; an ICU with 6 beds will be in trouble if they get 7/8 people needing care.....


Vaccines being effective or not is something that only time will show. For the time being there is no evidence about almost everything regarding the matter.....they are not sure if you can get the virus ( and go to face your creator), if you can still pass the virus....if the vaccine will kill you or it will help to kill you.....they simply don´t know yet.

There has been, literally, not enough time to see what the vaccines can or can´t do....I got my two shots of Pfizer last May and I hope for the best but........ making it mandatory for everyone? That will open a biblical proportions can of worms. Who´s going to take responsibility if, let´s say, things goes south?. This "no jab no job" is not like anyone taking an informed decision and using critical thinking but being coerced and, I reckon, it depends on the country but coercion and judges are not best buddies ever...


What will happen next? people wanting to know/demanding the management to take action if their work colleagues has or have had HIV, Herpes, Hepatitis.....you name it.....because, mind you, if you are going to make your work place/city/country a healthy one you can´t take action on only one thing....Will the authorities finally ban cigarettes, booze?.....or what about locking-down all those in high risk?...at the end of the day a 80+ years old human being is under risk of death almost for everything....even for a common cold ( also a coronavirus) or a broken hip...and they are retired already so no big drama.....

Yeah I know....that could never happen....

That´s exactly what I was thinking one year and a half ago.....


PS, I´m by no means an anti vaxxer, actually, if something, I´m the opposite. I happily took the decision to get the COVID vaccine and it has been my solely decision, but I really think that there are some lines not to be crossed.
IXUXU is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:07
  #186 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,138
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by ruprecht
...and any pilot who wishes to fake their document to continue their employment can freely use your quote above.

As I said, good luck with it.
Hahaarr! perhaps I just should have said, don't worry too much about it, it's a political stunt, the magic date will come and go and you probably won't hear anymore about it.
Xeptu is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:29
  #187 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
In 2022 if you are not fully vaxinated you will not be able to do the folllowing.

Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.

My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
Guptar is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:39
  #188 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,138
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by Guptar
In 2022 if you are not fully vaxinated you will not be able to do the folllowing.

Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.

My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
I don't have a problem with vaccines, I have issue with a vaccine mandate that is not supported by legislation. Your claim is BS and if you really did have a lawyer tell you that you need better legal advice. Let me put it another way, if any employee is fired because they are not vaccinated, I will never support their product ever again, further I will actively discourage others also and I'm sure I won't be alone.
Xeptu is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:39
  #189 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 38 Likes on 11 Posts
I have heard that you cannot be sacked for refusing the vax, but can be made compulsory redundant. Anyone know if this is the case and whether it would trigger CR as per the agreement?
The The is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:43
  #190 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 289
Received 144 Likes on 40 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
I don't have a problem with vaccines, I have issue with a vaccine mandate that is not supported by legislation. Your claim is BS and if you really did have a lawyer tell you that you need better legal advice. Let me put it another way, if any employee is fired because they are not vaccinated, I will never support their product ever again, further I will actively discourage others also and I'm sure I won't be alone.
They need better legal advice? Says who, you?

Having certain vaccinations is a requirement to be a pilot in Qantas. Remember? When I went through selection my MMR didn't show up well enough in serology, so I had to go and get another MMR vaccine and provide proof to the company. This is not a new thing.

Here's a bit of reality for you kiddo. Not only can Qantas fire you for not being vaccinated as per their requirements, they can even fire you if you refuse to wear pants.

Those Nazis!

This thread really is great. I can't thank the conspiracy cranks enough for their contributions. Highly entertaining, please continue.
das Uber Soldat is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:45
  #191 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 45 Likes on 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
I don't have a problem with vaccines, I have issue with a vaccine mandate that is not supported by legislation. Your claim is BS and if you really did have a lawyer tell you that you need better legal advice. Let me put it another way, if any employee is fired because they are not vaccinated, I will never support their product ever again, further I will actively discourage others also and I'm sure I won't be alone.
Yeah Yeah, you and the other 5000 losers who walked up Bourke St on Saturday pi$$ing into the wind. Do you think a business really cares more about your opinion than the risk of getting sued because it didn't provide a safe work place and someone got very ill from Covid on their watch?
1A_Please is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:51
  #192 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: UK
Age: 53
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
You'll never know who is and who is not, then there's the small problem of what about everyone else you come in contact with, maybe just perhaps think that one through.
Thats easy. He won’t be sitting next to you if he isn’t vaccinated. He will be at home.

Same for the pax, that’s already being rolled out, in Canada. Anyone flying in an aircraft, ship, or train will have to be vaccinated to travel. Soon it will be common practice most places.

Once you have just a very few countries saying crew have to be vaccinated to enter, then every airline is going to go down the Qantas route as it just to much of a nightmare for rostering to pander to the tiny minority who refuse to vaccinate.
highflyer40 is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 06:57
  #193 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 617
Received 76 Likes on 31 Posts
Originally Posted by Muttley Crew

​​​​​Those "non C-19 vaxxers" might be asking, do they have to fly next to spike-protein shedders.
They don’t need to ask, Qantas has said that from mid-November they won’t have to.
(Assuming that ‘spike-protein shedders’ are even a thing that anyone has to worry about outside of anitivax sites)
itsnotthatbloodyhard is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 07:06
  #194 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,138
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by highflyer40
Thats easy. He won’t be sitting next to you if he isn’t vaccinated. He will be at home.

Same for the pax, that’s already being rolled out, in Canada. Anyone flying in an aircraft, ship, or train will have to be vaccinated to travel. Soon it will be common practice most places.

Once you have just a very few countries saying crew have to be vaccinated to enter, then every airline is going to go down the Qantas route as it just to much of a nightmare for rostering to pander to the tiny minority who refuse to vaccinate.
If you are going into another country who has mandated that requirement, then yes of course, we must comply or don't go, even in our own country if it is mandated by legislation.
But If Australian Companies and Organisations go ahead and do this without any legislation giving them the right to do so, then I never want to hear a bad word about China ever again.
Xeptu is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 07:43
  #195 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Xeptu
If you are going into another country who has mandated that requirement, then yes of course, we must comply or don't go, even in our own country if it is mandated by legislation.
But If Australian Companies and Organisations go ahead and do this without any legislation giving them the right to do so, then I never want to hear a bad word about China ever again.
That's the concerning part, I agree & I see this hysteria wave been ridden till the nation is irrecoverably class divided!
machtuk is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 07:49
  #196 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia the Awesome
Posts: 399
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by machtuk
That's the concerning part, I agree & I see this hysteria wave been ridden till the nation is irrecoverably class divided!
I fear we are well on the way there Machtuk
Roj approved is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 08:13
  #197 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,138
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by Roj approved
I fear we are well on the way there Machtuk
They almost had me, then I remembered oh! the Call Centre Commies, it does sort of leave me asking the question, why the mandatory vax line, what's in it for you.
Xeptu is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 10:15
  #198 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,138
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by imperial shifter
If you read Allan's message (as opposed to the media) it's not actually mandatory, it's a proposal. "We have developed a proposed COVID-19 vaccination policy" - 18th Aug. Doubt it will get tested in court as it isn't "lawful". But most of us will get it anyway non the less.
Yeah sorry guys, I stupidly thought I was conversing with pilots, it happens when you get caught up in the thread.
Xeptu is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 10:31
  #199 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 1,088
Received 800 Likes on 217 Posts
Haven’t vaccinations for new international crew been a condition of employment for years? Pre-COVID I mean.
gordonfvckingramsay is online now  
Old 23rd Aug 2021, 11:03
  #200 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,584
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
Only when a foreign country that we operated into requires it. The Capital ‘O’ legal opinion I’ve read (note for the knockers, not my opinion but one from an actual lawyer experienced in workplace law) is that this makes that particular vaccine an inherent requirement of the job.

The little ‘o’ opinion proffered at the same time was whether Aussie states or the Federation can introduce such a mandate for Australian citizens within Australia. There was a feeling offered in the opinion I read that this was an untested part of Aussie law.

So, yes, long haul crew can be required to have the jab if it’s a requirement to enter another country. Domestic is still a bit of a question mark.
Keg is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.