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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 09:21
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I doesn’t really matter what the tinhat people say. They all see what is on the horizon, and they know they can’t change it.
Pfizer (the latest numbers I have seen) give about 40% protection after the first jab, and nearly 90% after the second. Compare that to 0% protection for the anti-vax group.
Add the protection against severe Covid for the vaccinated group.
Anti-vax people are the main reason for Covid to spread, and the majority of the hospital cases.

Vaccines are not mandatory. Fine, don’t take it, but be a grown up and stop whining about it. Live with the consequences.

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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 13:25
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On the subject of business leaders who have our best health in mind, who can remember which business leader from a privileged nearby peninsular led a class action against the Victorian government during the early lockdowns and lost?
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 21:18
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The anti vaxer here you’re lucky you’re not working at CBA, they’re opening up hubs on site to vaccinate their 6500 staff. AJ should open them up in the crew rooms
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 21:27
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Hmmm. Some posts have gone missing.

Someone made the claim that death rates of those vax’d are higher with Delta. At the same time was the claim that those vax’d are passing it along ‘the same’ as the unvax’d.

Here is a study that shows vax’d healthcare workers are having lower levels of virus when it does break through the vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.21262158v1
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 21:47
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I may be wrong, but I'd suggest a substantial majority of Qantas employees will be vaccinated, even those who are not entirely happy with a mandatory requirement to do so. I'd be surprised if there are any more than a few Pilots who won't do so; although I do know one.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 22:05
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I also think the majority of QF employees will get vaccinated. The pragmatic thinkers that is.

I know a couple of Pilots refusing to do so. Thats great. They can ride that high horse off into the sunset and let my cohort return to paid work. Enjoy Cuba!

The selfish attitude of some is simply astonishing given the suffering of so many.

What a disparate industry this has become.

Take care all.

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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 22:18
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While I think that anti vaxers lack the critical thinking skills necessary for this job, I really admire their rugged individualism. I hope that they have the courage of their convictions and ride off into the sunset alone and aggrieved. Otherwise, their objections are all just so much BS.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 22:41
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^^^^ absolutely, I will have enormous respect for them, when they buggar off with their beliefs intact and leave those of us who are ‘sheepies’ to carry on with our careers at Qantas. I wish them all the luck in the world with whatever career they choose.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Keg
Hmmm. Some posts have gone missing.

Someone made the claim that death rates of those vax’d are higher with Delta. At the same time was the claim that those vax’d are passing it along ‘the same’ as the unvax’d.

Here is a study that shows vax’d healthcare workers are having lower levels of virus when it does break through the vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.21262158v1
they have indeed gone missing Keg, seems dictatorship/censorship is infiltrating these pages!
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
^^^^ absolutely, I will have enormous respect for them, when they buggar off with their beliefs intact and leave those of us who are ‘sheepies’ to carry on with our careers at Qantas. I wish them all the luck in the world with whatever career they choose.
It won't be aged care I can tell you that haha
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 23:17
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I’ve changed tack at work. I don’t fight the anti-vaxxers any more. The way I see it, some of these guys are going to get infected and probably lose their medicals. Some of them will resign out of ideology. As long as they’re ahead of me in seniority, I may even encourage their ‘individual freedom’.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 23:22
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Originally Posted by turbantime
I’ve changed tack at work. I don’t fight the anti-vaxxers any more. The way I see it, some of these guys are going to get infected and probably lose their medicals. Some of them will resign out of ideology. As long as they’re ahead of me in seniority, I may even encourage their ‘individual freedom’.
Now that's the Airline Pilot I remember.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 23:48
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Page after page of opinions by pilots on medicine. One can only imagine the huff that pilots would be in if doctors suddenly started telling pilots how to do their job.

There is some good stuff being published on the internet. Dr Mike Hansen is one of the best, and he shows the source data papers he take his information off.

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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Now that's the Airline Pilot I remember.
Not just the pilot in me. I’ve come to recognise that we’re all competing for a finite amount of resources. If people want to sacrifice themselves and leave more resources for my family, I’m ok with that. Just look at the USA where people dropping dead are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. They’re also overwhelmingly from the ‘red neck’ community. The more stupid people die, the less the intelligent people have to deal with them. Bring on the cleansing I say.

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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 01:05
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Originally Posted by turbantime
............from the ‘red kneck’ community. The more stupid people die, the less the intelligent people have to deal with them........
It is ironic and amusing to see "the intelligent people" cast aspersions on "the stupid people" while describing them with a simple word spelt incorrectly. In which of those two groups do you include yourself? Back to school for you.

I may be wrong but I think your respondent may have been making oblique reference to the inherent selfishness of the stereotypical Australian airline pilot and your resemblance to that image. He got you in one there.

Speaking of selfishness:

Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
The selfish attitude of some is simply astonishing given the suffering of so many.
Considering you want others to consent to experimental chemical therapy so YOU can get on with YOUR life or career or whatever, it is hypocritical in the extreme to accuse anyone else of being selfish. Regardless of who wants what outcome at least have the decency to admit you have only your own best interests at heart as you push your own desired outcome. You, your family, whomever, that's YOUR interest. Stop accusing others of selfishness when you demand everyone else conform to what suits you.

Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
What a disparate industry this has become.
Airline pilots like you and turban pushing your own selfishness or wishing others dead to facilitate your own promotion? Yes disparate and cretinous even. I'm sure your kind can be found in other industries, though, and not just aviation.

Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
Take care all.
All? Even your hated unvaccinated? Your throwaway sign-off is delightfully inclusive of you and may even convince the weak-minded of your overall decency despite your selfish demands of your fellow citizens.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 01:17
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Muttley,

Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, I should have proof read it. It has now been corrected.

Yes, I admit my points are selfish but they’re borne out of exasperation. I have given up, good luck to you when exposed to the virus. I hope you also don’t go to the hospital when you’re fighting for your life because they’re full of the medical experts that you despise. By you, I don’t literally mean you, I mean the anti-vaxxers.

I freely admit when I make errors, something I have noted that hardened anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists are incapable of.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 02:06
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MuttleyCrew, I will respect your choice not to vax, just as you should respect my choice not to fly with those who are not.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 02:39
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MuttleyCrew, I will respect your choice not to vax, just as you should respect my choice not to fly with those who are not.
You'll never know who is and who is not, then there's the small problem of what about everyone else you come in contact with, maybe just perhaps think that one through.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 02:46
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
You'll never know who is and who is not, then there's the small problem of what about everyone else you come in contact with, maybe just perhaps think that one through.
But we will know, after November 15 I won’t be flying with anyone that doesn’t have a vaccine. I respect your choice, enjoy whatever alternative career you choose and I am totally sincere when I say I hope you don’t drown in you own bodily fluids wondering if you made the right choice.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
But we will know, after November 15 I won’t be flying with anyone that doesn’t have a vaccine. I respect your choice, enjoy whatever alternative career you choose and I am totally sincere when I say I hope you don’t drown in you own bodily fluids wondering if you made the right choice.
You're preaching to the converted mate and you still won't know. How do you think you will just quietly
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