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Old 21st Aug 2021, 23:20
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Originally Posted by hamfists
What is the point of the mandate now? There is rock solid data out from everywhere in the world that mRNA vaccinated individuals catch Covid and pass it on at least at the same rate as the unvaccinated. The only person you are protecting by being vaccinated is yourself. That’s undeniable.

How is your own personal risk profile of any concern to anyone else?
What is the source of this data?
Facebook. Youtube.Alan Jones. Etc.
Don’t count as Data, let alone “Rock Solid” Data.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 23:31
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Clearly the companies ( the other mob will follow this week ) have the support of the guvmint so you can jump up and down all you like, you won’t change a damn thing. The triumvirate can’t have a meaningful conversation with each other so forget that recall. Looks like walking away from it or just bending over and copping where the sun doesn’t shine. My money is on the second option.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
People do realise that a frontline vaccinated person can spread the disease the same as a non vaccinated person.
This mandate is only to save money and lost time at work , you’re kidding if your company thinks of you as people .
Qantas wants a logo on their website stating: all our crew is 100% vaccinated.

that is it ! Nothing to do with your health
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 00:03
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Originally Posted by morno
Maybe you best worry about what’s happening in your own country first then.

Tell me what the difference between mandating a vaccine for Covid is vs mandating a vaccine for say yellow fever before you can visit certain countries?
Because entering another country will have conditions stipulated on the visa for entry of non Citizens.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Don Diego
Clearly the companies ( the other mob will follow this week ) have the support of the guvmint so you can jump up and down all you like, you won’t change a damn thing. The triumvirate can’t have a meaningful conversation with each other so forget that recall. Looks like walking away from it or just bending over and copping where the sun doesn’t shine. My money is on the second option.
I agree with your sentiment but getting jabbed isn't exactly bending over and copping it.

It's significant protection from severe illness and death.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:46
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I will ask a question- do I have to fly with an non C-19 vaxxer??...and what happens if I catch C-19 off them??
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 01:47
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Originally Posted by highflyer40
Vaccinated people are three times less likely to catch the virus,
"Three times less" is not a mathematically-correct method of describing a quotient. What ratio are you really trying to describe? Are you a pilot? Just wondering.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 02:35
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Originally Posted by Street garbage
I will ask a question- do I have to fly with an non C-19 vaxxer??...and what happens if I catch C-19 off them??
Yes you do and not that you would know that. You will catch covid whether you are vaccinated or not, the source isn't relevant to your workplace.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 02:59
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Originally Posted by hamfists
apparently I don’t have enough posts to attach a link and also I’ve only known you for 10 minutes so I sure as hell ain’t doing your homework assignment for you..

search “Vaccines don’t protect against infection or transmission” on google..I found articles by AP, Reuters and NY times with references in 2 minutes from July
But none of that matters, the important thing is that when vaccinated you are far less likely to catch COVID, yes if you are a breakthrough case and catch it after the vaccine you can pass it on. The next important thing is IF you do catch it then you have a VERY high protection against serious illness and an even higher protection against being hospitalised. So what you said is just plain wrong, the more who are vaccinated the harder for Covid to spread amongst the community and even if there is an outbreak if the population is vaccinated enough you will not overwhelm the health system as serious illness will be unlikely. So quite the opposite to your ‘vaccines are for the individual’ the vaccine rollout to a high percentage is the key to EVERYONE moving on with life. But hey you will have the choice, this is going to become a pandemic of the unvaccinated and you will catch COVID at some point, I for one have no interest in drowning in my own fluids so I will take anything on offer that virtually excludes that possibility.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:02
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Yes you do and not that you would know that. You will catch covid whether you are vaccinated or not, the source isn't relevant to your workplace.
I don’t think the issue is catching covid as such, it’s sitting next to some drongo like yourself that is hell bent on not getting it, because they read something on Google without having the necessary qualifications to actually analyse it properly.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:03
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Originally Posted by t_cas
Because entering another country will have conditions stipulated on the visa for entry of non Citizens.
I know that. I was asking old mate a hypothetical question
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:11
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Yes you do and not that you would know that. You will catch covid whether you are vaccinated or not, the source isn't relevant to your workplace.
If the source is the workplace, then it absolutely becomes relevant.

There are some big questions facing employers coming up including their obligations under workplace health and safety legislation.

Given that pilots are exposed to significant numbers of people at work (crew bus, airport terminals, security lines) and are in close proximity to people (cabin crew, general public when paxing, etc), I don’t think it would be unreasonable for an employer to insist on vaccines to ensure that an employee’s risk to severe health complications arising from contracting COVID in the workplace are minimised.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:16
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Full approval for Pfizer is going to come next week. So what are all those who now say “the vaccines only have emergency approval!” going to say then?

”The government was pressured by the globalists and big pharma to approve their rushed vaccine” is my prediction.



That’s a bit of a middle ground fallacy. There aren’t two sides in the vaccine debate that have equal points of view that need to be listened to, there’s the overwhelming bulk of medical science on one side and dubious quacks and charlatans on the other.
theyre simply going to pivot to “only approved at the behest of government to force vaccines”.
when all you’ve got is a hammer…
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:42
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Originally Posted by morno
I don’t think the issue is catching covid as such, it’s sitting next to some drongo like yourself that is hell bent on not getting it, because they read something on Google without having the necessary qualifications to actually analyse it properly.
We are all going to be infected eventually, there's no way to prevent it, that's a given. If you have not been vaccinated yet then do all you can not to be infected, you have a 1 in 3 chance of longcovid and from personal observation in some cases is worse than the disease, 12 months on we are still living with it.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 03:50
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I think it's brilliant that Qantas led the way as far a big business goes. Fingers crossed this starts a domino effect and all business go down the same path. Too bad if you don't want to get the jab.....no job for you then. Why anybody would not want to get vaccinated is beyond me. I guess it's an indication of the privilege and entitlement seen in society these days. There is literally no argument not to get vaccinated.



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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 04:00
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
We are all going to be infected eventually, there's no way to prevent it, that's a given. If you have not been vaccinated yet then do all you can not to be infected, you have a 1 in 3 chance of longcovid and from personal observation in some cases is worse than the disease, 12 months on we are still living with it.
I wouldn’t call what we’re doing in Australia “living with it”. It appears the only way we’re going to do that is to maximise vaccination.

You say that we’re all going to get it eventually, but if enough people are vaccinated, the chances of ongoing infection reduces and eventually we could potentially rid of it to the point that it becomes a rare virus.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 04:07
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apparently I don’t have enough posts to attach a link and also I’ve only known you for 10 minutes so I sure as hell ain’t doing your homework assignment for you..

search “Vaccines don’t protect against infection or transmission” on google..I found articles by AP, Reuters and NY times with references in 2 minutes from July
I think the problem here is your education. Most of us learned about confirmation bias in about year 10.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

I agree with your sentiment but getting jabbed isn't exactly bending over and copping it.

It's significant protection from severe illness and death.
I gave up long ago trying to convince the anti-vax or anti-COVIDvax brigade. You’ll probably find a lot of peace in doing the same. It really is banging your head on a brick wall.

The conversation generally goes like this:
a) Science and experts say vaccine is safe and effective
b) But I googled “vaccines don’t work and are unsafe”, here’s the article that came up, must be true
a) That’s written by a journalist
b) But I found one doctor who agrees with it
a) The large majority (99%) of doctors, biomedical scientists and epidemiologists don’t agree with that one doctor
(this is where the transaction moves up a gear as they proceed towards child state)
b) but they’re taking away my freedoms making me get vaccinated to fly
a) No, they’re giving you a choice which is entirely your freedom to make. The problem is you don’t like the consequences of your choice.
(and now the pièce de résistance)
b) You must be in on it! It’s all a conspiracy. You’re one of the sheeple.


Don’t waste your breath. Nothing is more exhausting than trying to fill a cup that’s already full. That effort is better expended on grounding our children (and generations beyond) in science, and medicine.

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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 04:34
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Originally Posted by morno
I wouldn’t call what we’re doing in Australia “living with it”. It appears the only way we’re going to do that is to maximise vaccination.
And that's what we're doing are we not, we are along way short of "vaccinated" yet.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 06:17
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Originally Posted by hamfists
also I’ve only known you for 10 minutes so I sure as hell ain’t doing your homework assignment for you..
I always get a chuckle when some idiot makes a wild claim and declares the burden of proof for his drivel lays with others.
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Old 22nd Aug 2021, 06:25
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With the Australian and New Zealand borders still closed for all intents and purposes, many 'down under' have yet to appreciate that the rest of the world is now realising that not getting vaccinated is now proving to be more of an attack on your liberty. I took the vaccine solely to enable me to travel abroad more freely in my own time.
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