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Old 4th Aug 2022, 03:05
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They generally donít ďtargetĒ one group over another. A number of pilots from one area may have gotten invites to start testing and been vocal about it, creating an impression those from that background are being specifically targeted.
The term Roadshow was used...
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 03:19
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QF going to NZ on a roadshow to recruit NZ based turboprop pilots, many of whom likely have no interest in living in Australia...
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 03:33
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The only evidence I can find of NZ roadshows were from 2018, and it was for group recruitment so Link and JQ (Iíd say these were the main targets of any NZ recruiting drive at the time). Havenít heard of any roadshows this year.

Last I heard was applications for mainline in this latest round of recruitment have far exceeded the number of positions planned to be available (3-4 times as many) so plenty to choose from without needing to perform roadshows.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 04:20
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Yeah, be aware that Ďthe Groupí likes to market a lot of their correspondence nowadays as ĎQantasí. Quite often a job on Seek or even jobs advertised internally have the mainline company logos and branding, and itís only when you look at the finer print that youíll see itís actually a job for a subsidiary.

Highly likely these roadshows you talk about are for Network or Qantas link or some such?
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 05:00
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
Yeah, be aware that Ďthe Groupí likes to market a lot of their correspondence nowadays as ĎQantasí. Quite often a job on Seek or even jobs advertised internally have the mainline company logos and branding, and itís only when you look at the finer print that youíll see itís actually a job for a subsidiary.

Highly likely these roadshows you talk about are for Network or Qantas link or some such?
Not sure really, but the individual was very specific about which type and base was discussed: 787 PER in this instance - Agreed it could be him up-selling himself on the idea, who knows.

We can probably expect the Internal Transfer 'Hopium' machine to start working overtime as they start taking note of just how many group pilots are looking towards the west. Transferring a group pilot requires double the group training capacity of an external employed straight into Mainline, therefore there has always been an incentive to keep the majority right where they are.

At last check the E-3 Atlas Air Wannabes Facebook page had 642 Members.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 10:44
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi

At last check the E-3 Atlas Air Wannabes Facebook page had 642 Members.
Not to mention there are people from all (pilot) ranks from mainline that have propped up asking for more info in said group, amongst others.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 11:58
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Has the focus gone to internals now? Or will they still be interviewing externals throughout?
They updated internals a few days before the Atlas roadshows started which was pretty funny I thought.. first news since applications opened back in February.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 12:53
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For someone in the group (especially JQ) who might be a 4/5 years from a command or 787FO coming up, is it really worth going to QF now? Sure you'll get treated with a tiny bit of respect (which is way more than you'll ever get at JQ) and you'll get paid more in the same rank and you can say you're a Qantas Pilot. But you'll be joining way down a long seniority list and lucky to ever get a command if you are over 35. Not to mention Joyce's dream of turning QF into JQ with a roo on the tale.

Although I can see the attraction of sitting in the back seat for a few years with no care after getting flogged for years on end and enjoying Life outside of work.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 13:15
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
For someone in the group (especially JQ) who might be a 4/5 years from a command or 787FO coming up, is it really worth going to QF now? Sure you'll get treated with a tiny bit of respect (which is way more than you'll ever get at JQ) and you'll get paid more in the same rank and you can say you're a Qantas Pilot. But you'll be joining way down a long seniority list and lucky to ever get a command if you are over 35. Not to mention Joyce's dream of turning QF into JQ with a roo on the tale.

Although I can see the attraction of sitting in the back seat for a few years with no care after getting flogged for years on end and enjoying Life outside of work.
If youíre a QF Group Jet Captain (except maybe Network) the point where you Ďbreak evení is somewhere between 12-18 years. Itís very variable and obviously difficult to calculate. Itís also very personal as you could pay more off your home/personal debt by staying as a Capt which compounds over time as does the extra super your would earn by staying a Capt.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 13:22
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
For someone in the group (especially JQ) who might be a 4/5 years from a command or 787FO coming up, is it really worth going to QF now? Sure you'll get treated with a tiny bit of respect (which is way more than you'll ever get at JQ) and you'll get paid more in the same rank and you can say you're a Qantas Pilot. But you'll be joining way down a long seniority list and lucky to ever get a command if you are over 35. Not to mention Joyce's dream of turning QF into JQ with a roo on the tale.

Although I can see the attraction of sitting in the back seat for a few years with no care after getting flogged for years on end and enjoying Life outside of work.
It all comes down to your pay vs lifestyle balance. For some itís a an easy choice - depends on your motivations?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 01:59
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
If youíre a QF Group Jet Captain (except maybe Network) the point where you Ďbreak evení is somewhere between 12-18 years. Itís very variable and obviously difficult to calculate. Itís also very personal as you could pay more off your home/personal debt by staying as a Capt which compounds over time as does the extra super your would earn by staying a Capt.
You have to balance the conditions and career opportunities with the pay too, though. It'd be an 'easier' 12-18 working years but sacrifice a bit of pay to do so.
I'd probs rather be an SO doing sweet eff all earning 150+ a year zipping around the world staying in lovely hotels but with zero 'job' satisfaction than be a Captain working hard for 220+ hoping that the hotel and transport has been booked as being optimised (i.e., more overnights) is the new normal.. and I probably won't see a widebody again..

QF LH FO is legit the dream job. I wouldn't see that for 15+ years though personally so trying to scratch that itch elsewhere..
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 02:50
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
If youíre a QF Group Jet Captain (except maybe Network) the point where you Ďbreak evení is somewhere between 12-18 years. Itís very variable and obviously difficult to calculate. Itís also very personal as you could pay more off your home/personal debt by staying as a Capt which compounds over time as does the extra super your would earn by staying a Capt.
I don't think 12-18 years is an accurate assessment. A short-haul FO will earn more than a Captain at NJS while still maintaining life at home simply because of the type of flying. Good luck getting into overtime by bouncing between MEL and CBR on the 717. I have seen rosters of 140 hours of duty for base salary at NJS...no thank you. Depending on when a command comes about at mainline, the career earnings will significantly diverge at that point. Not to mention the QOL in the meantime. If you have at least 20 years left, going to mainline would be a no-brainer, but each to their own.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 04:02
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Could someone please confirm that the Qantas Long Haul EBA Clause 32.7 (new hire SO lower pay) hasn't taken effect yet?
When does it start?

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Old 7th Aug 2022, 08:42
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Originally Posted by aussiepilot
Could someone please confirm that the Qantas Long Haul EBA Clause 32.7 (new hire SO lower pay) hasn't taken effect yet?
When does it start?

Thanks
Comes into effect once they start recruiting into the 330/350SFF category for SOs. Hasnít happened yet, and the 350 isnít coming for 3 more years so could still have some substantial recruitment without the new category coming in, but that doesnít preclude the company from introducing it in the interim anytime they see fit to.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 09:51
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Originally Posted by aussiepilot
Could someone please confirm that the Qantas Long Haul EBA Clause 32.7 (new hire SO lower pay) hasn't taken effect yet?
When does it start?

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Have it on good authority it won't be occurring till they actually have a date set for the first aircraft arrival.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Jimsaviation
I don't think 12-18 years is an accurate assessment. A short-haul FO will earn more than a Captain at NJS while still maintaining life at home simply because of the type of flying. Good luck getting into overtime by bouncing between MEL and CBR on the 717. I have seen rosters of 140 hours of duty for base salary at NJS...no thank you. Depending on when a command comes about at mainline, the career earnings will significantly diverge at that point. Not to mention the QOL in the meantime. If you have at least 20 years left, going to mainline would be a no-brainer, but each to their own.
What is the short haul FO base pay? Genuine question.
I only ever get answers of what could be earnt with various inclusions and assumptions, but never bare bones - I dont want to work hard - basic base pay.
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Lapon
What is the short haul FO base pay? Genuine question.
I only ever get answers of what could be earnt with various inclusions and assumptions, but never bare bones - I dont want to work hard - basic base pay.
Its generally between 150 - 190 depending on how much you work. Yes some make more, but they have no life. An NJS Capt is on $199k and their goal is to work as little as possible (overtime threshold is high). Average flight hours for them is around 55-60 per month.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 02:14
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Also curious on how much you earn on initial employment, not only as an SO but also while in training
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 02:55
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Also curious on how much you earn on initial employment, not only as an SO but also while in training
787/330 SOís are earning anywhere between 160-200k at the moment.

Initial training expect 55-60k and at the current rate itís about 6 months until check out.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 03:48
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
787/330 SOís are earning anywhere between 160-200k at the moment.

Initial training expect 55-60k and at the current rate itís about 6 months until check out.
Is this base or are you including allowances? Obviously if your overseas you need to spend money.
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