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Looks like the AIPA SC is struggling
The other guys cuts through it with his line “When would it ever be unreasonable if not now? In what possible scenario?"
Likely AIPA will be down circa $500K if they lose this - was it a wise decision to proceed ?
I can't remember AIPA ever winning a contested litigation
Interesting decided to spend the big brass to get A Scale SOs more money
Surely the introduction of B Scale years before the actual A350 arrives would have been the one to litigate
Perhaps those who voted in EBA 10 don't want to front this little issue - bit like QF not ordering 777s - don't mention the war
(dashT - you aren't being bypassed, the A380 are initial hires)
The other guys cuts through it with his line “When would it ever be unreasonable if not now? In what possible scenario?"
Likely AIPA will be down circa $500K if they lose this - was it a wise decision to proceed ?
I can't remember AIPA ever winning a contested litigation
Interesting decided to spend the big brass to get A Scale SOs more money
Surely the introduction of B Scale years before the actual A350 arrives would have been the one to litigate
Perhaps those who voted in EBA 10 don't want to front this little issue - bit like QF not ordering 777s - don't mention the war
(dashT - you aren't being bypassed, the A380 are initial hires)
Last edited by Makiko; 12th Jul 2023 at 07:12.
Looks like the AIPA SC is struggling
The other guys cuts through it with his line “When would it ever be unreasonable if not now? In what possible scenario?"
Likely AIPA will be down circa $500K if they lose this - was it a wise decision to proceed ?
I can't remember AIPA ever winning a contested litigation
Interesting decided to spend the big brass to get A Scale SOs more money
Surely the introduction of B Scale years before the actual A350 arrives would have been the one to litigate
Perhaps those who voted in EBA 10 don't want to front this little issue - bit like QF not ordering 777s - don't mention the war
(dashT - you aren't being bypassed, the A380 are initial hires)
The other guys cuts through it with his line “When would it ever be unreasonable if not now? In what possible scenario?"
Likely AIPA will be down circa $500K if they lose this - was it a wise decision to proceed ?
I can't remember AIPA ever winning a contested litigation
Interesting decided to spend the big brass to get A Scale SOs more money
Surely the introduction of B Scale years before the actual A350 arrives would have been the one to litigate
Perhaps those who voted in EBA 10 don't want to front this little issue - bit like QF not ordering 777s - don't mention the war
(dashT - you aren't being bypassed, the A380 are initial hires)
DT
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Well DT I think you will find QF will say that bypass is when a more junior employee is advanced in front of
more senior & that it doesn't apply in this case because it is an initial appointment for someone who is not currently employed by QF
more senior & that it doesn't apply in this case because it is an initial appointment for someone who is not currently employed by QF
Yeah, literally read my comment above yours dopey
Makiko you are splitting hairs here, it’s the same concept mate.
If AIPA don’t make a stand now, then when? What happens in a few years if QF say they can’t release any pilots for an FO or CAPT slot and want to hire externally.
you can bet your ass the entire pilot cohort is 100% against this. I can also guarantee that if there was no Bscale, QF would not be pursuing this agenda.
also a lot of guys are blaming the union for this, don’t forget EBA10 was put directly to the pilot group during Covid and we voted it up against AIPA advice.
DT
If AIPA don’t make a stand now, then when? What happens in a few years if QF say they can’t release any pilots for an FO or CAPT slot and want to hire externally.
you can bet your ass the entire pilot cohort is 100% against this. I can also guarantee that if there was no Bscale, QF would not be pursuing this agenda.
also a lot of guys are blaming the union for this, don’t forget EBA10 was put directly to the pilot group during Covid and we voted it up against AIPA advice.
DT
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I must have missed that bit I don’t remember AIPA telling us not to vote it up in fact two pilots took it to FWA to stop the vote and AIPA were no where to be seen.
As such, the matter is not about whether Qantas have the capacity to train, it is about will they pay the negatively affected pilots. The new hires are training right now, not in 2020 or 2021. Qantas is set to announce a 2 Billion dollar profit for the last FY. So explain to me how Qantas can’t afford to follow the EA due to COVID?
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You might be right , but it also looks like the journalist & barrister also don't understand
I guess we will have to wait & look at the Judgement when it comes through
I am sure the J will spell out the issues very clearly
I guess we will have to wait & look at the Judgement when it comes through
I am sure the J will spell out the issues very clearly
You misunderstand the core of the dispute. AIPA didn’t refuse to allow Qantas to direct hire to the A380, they simply insisted that the EA provisions around Bypass be applied as per the LHEA.
As such, the matter is not about whether Qantas have the capacity to train, it is about will they pay the negatively affected pilots. The new hires are training right now, not in 2020 or 2021. Qantas is set to announce a 2 Billion dollar profit for the last FY. So explain to me how Qantas can’t afford to follow the EA due to COVID?
As such, the matter is not about whether Qantas have the capacity to train, it is about will they pay the negatively affected pilots. The new hires are training right now, not in 2020 or 2021. Qantas is set to announce a 2 Billion dollar profit for the last FY. So explain to me how Qantas can’t afford to follow the EA due to COVID?
ARROGANCE. They have had it all their way for to long.
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Under the enterprise agreement, Qantas pilots sought to be promoted to the bigger aircraft from smaller Boeing 737s, A330s, and A350s and to enter a queue, from which they should be selected.
As for the Qantas appointed barrister, it their job to twist the facts to suit their argument. It is for the discerning audience to distinguish truth from spin.
Seems like you might be incorrect Beer Baron
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/tra..._c20231391.pdf
See PN22 from AIPAs guy "whether the association was deemed to be reasonably or unreasonably withholding agreement"
I don't think you would be a very smart SC if you attempted to manipulate or twist facts in front of a Fed Court Judge
As a dumbo I would think they would onto you in a microsecond
Out of this one for me - you chaps just know everything about everything
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/tra..._c20231391.pdf
See PN22 from AIPAs guy "whether the association was deemed to be reasonably or unreasonably withholding agreement"
I don't think you would be a very smart SC if you attempted to manipulate or twist facts in front of a Fed Court Judge
As a dumbo I would think they would onto you in a microsecond
Out of this one for me - you chaps just know everything about everything
For someone who has so far been proven wrong on pretty well every assertion they’ve made about the longhaul EBA, I wouldn’t hold too much weight on what you say either buddy.
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From the Australian
National Australia Bank employees earning up to $100,000 annually will be offered pay rises totalling 17.5 per cent over four years under a wage deal that locks in working from home rights for thousands of workers.
Qantas staff to get 9% over 5 years while they are gouging the public on fares and making record profits. I don’t know how the board and senior management look at themselves in the mirror.
National Australia Bank employees earning up to $100,000 annually will be offered pay rises totalling 17.5 per cent over four years under a wage deal that locks in working from home rights for thousands of workers.
Qantas staff to get 9% over 5 years while they are gouging the public on fares and making record profits. I don’t know how the board and senior management look at themselves in the mirror.
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Never let the facts get in the way of reality
Domestic CC were offered 3% plus bonus plus shares (worth about $12K) in March
Your only 40% out on the pay rise offered
If you don't like QF , just leave
Isn't this thread meant to be about recruitment
Where did all these whingers & moaners come from such an unmanly way to carry on
"But Ian Neil SC said AIPA would argue over the coming days that Qantas had contributed to its own operational issues"
Well unless QF management were Nostradamus & knew exactly how pandemic was going to unfold sure they would have made a ton of mistakes
, just like every other airline in the world
If this the best AIPA have this case is a looser , looking at nudging $1 M loss here (inclusive of costs order)
Domestic CC were offered 3% plus bonus plus shares (worth about $12K) in March
Your only 40% out on the pay rise offered
If you don't like QF , just leave
Isn't this thread meant to be about recruitment
Where did all these whingers & moaners come from such an unmanly way to carry on
"But Ian Neil SC said AIPA would argue over the coming days that Qantas had contributed to its own operational issues"
Well unless QF management were Nostradamus & knew exactly how pandemic was going to unfold sure they would have made a ton of mistakes
, just like every other airline in the world
If this the best AIPA have this case is a looser , looking at nudging $1 M loss here (inclusive of costs order)
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Genuine question here, but are you a Flight Attendant Makiko? That might explain why you’re always a way off when it’s comes to your knowledge of the contract.
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Never let the facts get in the way of reality
Domestic CC were offered 3% plus bonus plus shares (worth about $12K) in March
Your only 40% out on the pay rise offered
If you don't like QF , just leave
Isn't this thread meant to be about recruitment
Where did all these whingers & moaners come from such an unmanly way to carry on
"But Ian Neil SC said AIPA would argue over the coming days that Qantas had contributed to its own operational issues"
Well unless QF management were Nostradamus & knew exactly how pandemic was going to unfold sure they would have made a ton of mistakes
, just like every other airline in the world
If this the best AIPA have this case is a looser , looking at nudging $1 M loss here (inclusive of costs order)
Domestic CC were offered 3% plus bonus plus shares (worth about $12K) in March
Your only 40% out on the pay rise offered
If you don't like QF , just leave
Isn't this thread meant to be about recruitment
Where did all these whingers & moaners come from such an unmanly way to carry on
"But Ian Neil SC said AIPA would argue over the coming days that Qantas had contributed to its own operational issues"
Well unless QF management were Nostradamus & knew exactly how pandemic was going to unfold sure they would have made a ton of mistakes
, just like every other airline in the world
If this the best AIPA have this case is a looser , looking at nudging $1 M loss here (inclusive of costs order)