300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
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Yep
Some people need to re-read posts before making comments.
(For eg I doubt if Sharp Airlines has heavy jets!
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Yep
Some people need to re-read posts before making comments.
(For eg I doubt if Sharp Airlines has heavy jets!
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And let's not look at the doctor, dentist, chemist, politician, plumber, bank manager, financial planner, fund manager etc, etc for comparison!...there is none!
Those professions you mention are under pressure from re regulation with everybody out to get them.
How much do you do reckon Woolies want to pay a chemist?
What kind of labour cost savings would a nurse practitioner bring?
Have a look at the number of law schools the universities are starting. Before people are even graduating law degrees are being called the 'the new Arts degree'
The hypothetical removal of seniority would lead to a wholesale tanking of airline salaries and those in GA or Regionals woul be there for 15+ years if they can't/don't want to move overseas.
At the end of the day you only get paid what you negotiate. At the moment we have the ridiculous situation of where Qantas pilots are allegedly over paid but can go overseas and get a net payrise!!
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Most workers get a pay raise when they move overseas. You can get paid a truck load more money working as a tennis coach in Asia compared to oz.
The airlines in oz dont need to pay the rates that are paid in Asia/Middles east. MOST people accept what they are paid in oz without leaving. Some leave but most dont.
The airlines in oz dont need to pay the rates that are paid in Asia/Middles east. MOST people accept what they are paid in oz without leaving. Some leave but most dont.
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But now...........
So what.........now you're arguing QF pilots aren't overpaid AnQrKa???????? To be competitive QF pay needs to drop by 30%.........but according to you pilots overseas are getting paid more.. ..............
Yeah, there's a logical argument.
But QF pilots need to smell the coffee. QF don’t care about your accident free past, they just want bodies in cockpits at rates that are competitive with the rest of the market you are competing within.
Lets hypothetically pretend that QF are after a reset, an event, an opening, an opportunity. They will be formulating their chapter 11 and when they do, you will be welcomed back with a contract sitting on the table. Your old conditions, minus 30% or more. The end, nothing more, nothing less. The corridor is full of EK/JQ/KE etc pilots ready to sign.
Most workers get a pay raise when they move overseas.
The airlines in oz dont need to pay the rates that are paid in Asia/Middles east. MOST people accept what they are paid in oz without leaving. Some leave but most dont.
The airlines in oz dont need to pay the rates that are paid in Asia/Middles east. MOST people accept what they are paid in oz without leaving. Some leave but most dont.
Yeah, there's a logical argument.
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Historically, when an airline went out of business the wash-up often revealed inappropriate aircraft choice, inappropriate route selection and inappropriate lease/purchase agreements as being significant contributors to its demise.
Don't ever recall pilot's wages being identified as a contributor.
Don't ever recall pilot's wages being identified as a contributor.
Yes, you nay well get paid more $$ overseas, but what you ignore at your peril is the risk/return profile.
If you get sick- you get sacked. A colleague recently had a transient medical issue that grounded him-sacked. When said problem was fixed, he was unable to get his job back and is unlikely to get any gig in that country ever again because of that (fixed) issue.
When it comes to safety bonus time, you will not get it because the company will scour the FOQA data for such issues as taxiing around a corner at 11 kts when the limit is 10- no bonus.
You are dealing with people who crap on a busy footpath because they are too lazy to find a toilet. It does not get much better than that when you do business with them.
It is not so much about money but the control that a company has over it's workforce. Something that most Australian companies do not have compared with overseas competitors.
If you get sick- you get sacked. A colleague recently had a transient medical issue that grounded him-sacked. When said problem was fixed, he was unable to get his job back and is unlikely to get any gig in that country ever again because of that (fixed) issue.
When it comes to safety bonus time, you will not get it because the company will scour the FOQA data for such issues as taxiing around a corner at 11 kts when the limit is 10- no bonus.
You are dealing with people who crap on a busy footpath because they are too lazy to find a toilet. It does not get much better than that when you do business with them.
It is not so much about money but the control that a company has over it's workforce. Something that most Australian companies do not have compared with overseas competitors.
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Banjo, some of what you say I agree with.
About people crapping on the footpath in the sandpit?
I don't think that matters so much. When I visited Dubai I never walked on a footpath. I never saw a round eye walking on the footpath while I passed in my airconditioned car. There are people in oz who are also too lazy to find a crapper.
As for not getting sacked in oz due illness, rubbish. It happens on a regular basis. Sick leave burnt, good bye, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Nirvana is a non existent country or place. It is not in Australia, it is not in the sandpit and it is not anywhere else. We all make a choice where we work, how much we will sell our souls for and the conditions we will accept.
And time for another bourbon
About people crapping on the footpath in the sandpit?
I don't think that matters so much. When I visited Dubai I never walked on a footpath. I never saw a round eye walking on the footpath while I passed in my airconditioned car. There are people in oz who are also too lazy to find a crapper.
As for not getting sacked in oz due illness, rubbish. It happens on a regular basis. Sick leave burnt, good bye, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Nirvana is a non existent country or place. It is not in Australia, it is not in the sandpit and it is not anywhere else. We all make a choice where we work, how much we will sell our souls for and the conditions we will accept.
And time for another bourbon
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"So what.........now you're arguing QF pilots aren't overpaid AnQrKa???????? To be competitive QF pay needs to drop by 30%.........but according to you pilots overseas are getting paid more"
Being competitive with the rest of the world doesnt mean getting paid the same as the rest of the world.
It means the package of salary/leave/professionalism/lifestyle/clean air should be JUST enough to attract and retain staff. And it clearly is by far.
Take a look at the old days at TN/AN when you could go to CX on A scale salary and much much faster command upgrade and yet how many left? A few, not many.
Being competitive with the rest of the world doesnt mean getting paid the same as the rest of the world.
It means the package of salary/leave/professionalism/lifestyle/clean air should be JUST enough to attract and retain staff. And it clearly is by far.
Take a look at the old days at TN/AN when you could go to CX on A scale salary and much much faster command upgrade and yet how many left? A few, not many.
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It means the package of salary/leave/professionalism/lifestyle/clean air should be JUST enough to attract and retain staff. And it clearly is by far.
(Yes, yes, I get that Qantas actually has to start recruiting again and all that stuff. I'm talking principle here).
QF pilots are the same as every other pilot faced with the choice of accepting reduced wages and conditions to keep their current job. They won't be happy to accept them but when it comes to the choice of paying the mortgage or going overseas for a better paying job(allegedly) they will stay. If QF ever start recruiting again there will be no shortage of suitable applicants.
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No shortage of suitable applicants.
I have met Qantas Captains that finished high school in grade 10.
Now you have young people with 2 degrees, ATPL that cannot get a job flying and would jump at the chance to work at Qantas.
I am not saying it's right but the times are changing and the world is getting more competitive and pilots are not highly regarded as they once where.
But your a fool to think that Qantas will ever be short of suitable applicants.
I have met Qantas Captains that finished high school in grade 10.
Now you have young people with 2 degrees, ATPL that cannot get a job flying and would jump at the chance to work at Qantas.
I am not saying it's right but the times are changing and the world is getting more competitive and pilots are not highly regarded as they once where.
But your a fool to think that Qantas will ever be short of suitable applicants.
Qantas Captains that finished high school in grade 10.
young people with 2 degrees, ATPL that cannot get a job flying
pilots are not highly regarded as they once where.
pilots are not highly regarded as they once were.
But your a fool to think that Qantas will ever be short of suitable applicants
Enough said.
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QF MOU FOs returning from 3 year JQ stint?
Any word on the street as to what most QF MOU guys will be doing at the end of their 3 years at JQ?
Apparently those with 3 year completion during 2014 were required to make their election known to management a couple of weeks ago. Any straw polls out there of how many are going versus staying?
Importantly, how is this likely to affect any possible redundancies at QF?
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Apparently those with 3 year completion during 2014 were required to make their election known to management a couple of weeks ago. Any straw polls out there of how many are going versus staying?
Importantly, how is this likely to affect any possible redundancies at QF?
PG
I have met Qantas Captains that finished high school in grade 10
I am not saying it's right but the times are changing and the world is getting more competitive and pilots are not highly regarded as they once where.