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PPRuNe Radar was correct in leaving the post up. It was so obtuse as to be bordering on the humourous. Sometimes ridiculous posts serve to break the tension of a serious thread by providing some light humour and distraction.
The situation in Ireland is similar to that within which we find ourselves in Australia... we're watching this one with great interest and much sympathy.
The situation in Ireland is similar to that within which we find ourselves in Australia... we're watching this one with great interest and much sympathy.
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Cross country i couldn't agree more with you. Its bloody obvious that this is solvable. The question is this -how can the people charged with running the company be so blind to what is going on?
And yes -since its so obviously solvable why are the IAA then holding out, by trotting out the same old lines, and bringing this down to the wire.
I wonder do they realise that on tuesday if they dont get their finger out and address the issues, not to their satisfaction but to the controllers satisfaction then this company more than likely will not function at all in the very near future. Hence the stupidity of continueing to play games.
I can only hope that they do come up with a package of joint up thinking. Yes they do need to get us back on side otherwise no overtime arrangement in the world will tempt staff back on their days off. Direct entries is the quickest solution-how about an ad in flight international and actually acknowledge the people who have applied already. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the controlling staff knows that in the next 5 years a huge percentage of staff are going to retire after having done their 40 years of service. At the moment their even isint planning in place to replace these. So the thought of recruiting more again to ease the lot of each controller there at the moment is just a twinkle in their eye.
BUT that is what has to change and change by tuesday or else i fear this will start the process of work stoppages.
As i have said before i really hope it doesn't come to that ,but again in the absence of any progress and concrete ,acceptable proposals then that is what will happen and IAA had better be in no doubt about it.
So why are they dragging their heels-there was nothing stopping IAA contacting Impact before now outlining their proposals so thet they could be discussed amongst the staff so that on tuesday the meeting would be more productive.
Anyway its time to feed the young ones -better go
Yours as ever
OCK1F
And yes -since its so obviously solvable why are the IAA then holding out, by trotting out the same old lines, and bringing this down to the wire.
I wonder do they realise that on tuesday if they dont get their finger out and address the issues, not to their satisfaction but to the controllers satisfaction then this company more than likely will not function at all in the very near future. Hence the stupidity of continueing to play games.
I can only hope that they do come up with a package of joint up thinking. Yes they do need to get us back on side otherwise no overtime arrangement in the world will tempt staff back on their days off. Direct entries is the quickest solution-how about an ad in flight international and actually acknowledge the people who have applied already. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the controlling staff knows that in the next 5 years a huge percentage of staff are going to retire after having done their 40 years of service. At the moment their even isint planning in place to replace these. So the thought of recruiting more again to ease the lot of each controller there at the moment is just a twinkle in their eye.
BUT that is what has to change and change by tuesday or else i fear this will start the process of work stoppages.
As i have said before i really hope it doesn't come to that ,but again in the absence of any progress and concrete ,acceptable proposals then that is what will happen and IAA had better be in no doubt about it.
So why are they dragging their heels-there was nothing stopping IAA contacting Impact before now outlining their proposals so thet they could be discussed amongst the staff so that on tuesday the meeting would be more productive.
Anyway its time to feed the young ones -better go
Yours as ever
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As someone who is out sick at the moment i feel even sicker at the proposal that my illness was "orchestrated" in some way.
Any of you other "malingerers" out there feel like joining me to discuss this with a solicitor? If the Corp. Comms Manager wont retract that statement and publicly apologise for issuing it in the first place i feel i've no other choice but to sue.
Any of you other "malingerers" out there feel like joining me to discuss this with a solicitor? If the Corp. Comms Manager wont retract that statement and publicly apologise for issuing it in the first place i feel i've no other choice but to sue.
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Pprune Radar,
I take your point. Not in any way disputing your choice to remove the post however, it is very important to point out that the post would only have been defamatory if untrue.
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Quokka,
At least one person can see the funny side!
The problem with mixing serious and humour I suppose is that people that simply can't stand a different point of view miss the humour included.
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Macker,
You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going.
So all that will have happened is a few weeks over which there were a few zero rates applied and then back to the same old same old.....but with more money for it.
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DFC
I take your point. Not in any way disputing your choice to remove the post however, it is very important to point out that the post would only have been defamatory if untrue.
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Quokka,
At least one person can see the funny side!
The problem with mixing serious and humour I suppose is that people that simply can't stand a different point of view miss the humour included.
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Macker,
You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going.
So all that will have happened is a few weeks over which there were a few zero rates applied and then back to the same old same old.....but with more money for it.
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DFC
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I think that the controllers are justified in refuting the slander and allegations made by IAA's corporate communications manager. I think her own professional qualifications and integrity should be open to scrutiny . I don't believe the rubbish that she is only doing what she is told to do. Managers need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions/inactions which is one of the contributing and significant factors which has led to this current dispute. It is spiralling out of control and by tuesday will most probably accellerate into a complete nosedive.
sorry for the repitition but at least there is less venom in this one'
sorry for the repitition but at least there is less venom in this one'
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Howthhead, your point is excellent and at the kernel of this whole situation. The 'my hands are tied' attitude is rife in the public sector in general. Managerial professional responsibility is not just shoved up the line, but in any direction it will go.
This is particularly grating for ATCOs who will answer for all professional shortcomings.
Management must be aware that they all have a hand in the Official Bottom Line of this company, SAFETY. Unfortunately this is grossly overshadowed by the True Bottom Line of all businesses, FINANCE.
This is particularly grating for ATCOs who will answer for all professional shortcomings.
Management must be aware that they all have a hand in the Official Bottom Line of this company, SAFETY. Unfortunately this is grossly overshadowed by the True Bottom Line of all businesses, FINANCE.
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DFC should be barred from Pprune entirely
Desperate For Controversy
''it is very important to point out that the post would only have been defamatory if untrue.
the act of not automatically believing exactly what is said by some posters. Easily counteracted by a question such as "Shannon Airforce One, are you sure you want an aircraft at our level at the same position?"
Tower to Osama????
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DFC your comments are not only defamatory but politically inflamatory and detrimental to the healthy and vital debate going on here. ANSP's and controllers all over the world are following this thread very closely because they are all in similar circumstances.
I ask Pprune Moderator to bar you from , not only this thread, but all fora on Pprune.
''it is very important to point out that the post would only have been defamatory if untrue.
the act of not automatically believing exactly what is said by some posters. Easily counteracted by a question such as "Shannon Airforce One, are you sure you want an aircraft at our level at the same position?"
Tower to Osama????
''DFC your comments are not only defamatory but politically inflamatory and detrimental to the healthy and vital debate going on here. ANSP's and controllers all over the world are following this thread very closely because they are all in similar circumstances.
I ask Pprune Moderator to bar you from , not only this thread, but all fora on Pprune.
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it's not just atcos that DFC annoys
Taken from the Private Pilots Forum, from a poster that seems to have DFC's number, this seems to echo a lot of the sentiment there toward DFC and his opinions
Nuff said.
And also from the great DFC himself in the same thread
What a hypocrite, along with everything else
shame on you, bad DFC bad
see you next tuesday
The post concerned my feelings regarding DFC and his opinions, which he often represents as fact without ever offering any evidence, claiming some "inside track". I presented my reasons for believing him to be a seriously unhelpful fantasist at some length, and challenged him to prove his credentials (which I know well he will not do).
And also from the great DFC himself in the same thread
(name removed),
If you have nothing further to debate then why attack a person?
This is typical of the bully boy attitude often found here - can't argue the point any further so then start describing other posters as "a fool, a liar and cheat".
Unfortunately those comments simply say notihing about (name removed)and more about you.
If you have nothing further to debate then why attack a person?
This is typical of the bully boy attitude often found here - can't argue the point any further so then start describing other posters as "a fool, a liar and cheat".
Unfortunately those comments simply say notihing about (name removed)and more about you.
shame on you, bad DFC bad
see you next tuesday
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Lads, it sounds like he's getting to you so please divert your energies away from him and use them for better effect elsewhere. Use the Add to ignore List feature in his profile and his posts dont show up on this forum. It seems he got into a tizzy after I suggested that earlier so maybe thats what hurts him the most.
Deprive a clown of his audience and the circus moves on to the next town....
Deprive a clown of his audience and the circus moves on to the next town....
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could very well be worse than now
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there was a small issueance of truth from DFC there (strange as it may seem) "You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going"
As I said before, this new 5 and 3 roster will be worse than present and possibly manning a FIS sector as well in DUB with NO extra staff in at least the short term. We all know the aim of local DUB management is to be able to sectorise longer and staff FIS regularly this year, he very well may get that at the end of the dispute but I seriously doubt we will have any extra staff or year round guaranteed casual leave, or job sharing or career breaks or paternal leave to show for it.
Be very careful what is presented to us in a ballot-if we get any decent offer from management at all-we have them in a corner, get the best possible terms of resolution for this dispute.
Get what we need, not give them what they want.
there was a small issueance of truth from DFC there (strange as it may seem) "You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going"
As I said before, this new 5 and 3 roster will be worse than present and possibly manning a FIS sector as well in DUB with NO extra staff in at least the short term. We all know the aim of local DUB management is to be able to sectorise longer and staff FIS regularly this year, he very well may get that at the end of the dispute but I seriously doubt we will have any extra staff or year round guaranteed casual leave, or job sharing or career breaks or paternal leave to show for it.
Be very careful what is presented to us in a ballot-if we get any decent offer from management at all-we have them in a corner, get the best possible terms of resolution for this dispute.
Get what we need, not give them what they want.
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290 Kts,you may have a point re the overtime situation when this dispute is finally (hopefully) settled but let us not forget that any new system will finally be a dependable one with a mandatory element of sorts from once you decide to opt in to it.Until recently it had become almost impossible to get anyone to come in on overtime and most importantly management themselves continued to run UNDERSTAFFED with absolutely no restrictions on the traffic flow.The cadre of staff that did volunteer their services on a regular basis(with absolutely no restrictions whatsoever on extra attendance)were few and far between,thus leading to serious safety concerns over the hours worked without adequate rest periods between shifts.
As for our rosters,an agreement had been reached with the Labour Relations Comision but true to form the management proposed cycles did not adhere to this agreement.I believe they included ridiculous amounts of compensatory duties,thus comprimising your rest days.The agreement stated quite specifically-5 day on,3 days off REST,REST,REST.
Which part of REST do they not understand?Incidentally less rest days more fatigue thus compromising on safety even further.
As for our rosters,an agreement had been reached with the Labour Relations Comision but true to form the management proposed cycles did not adhere to this agreement.I believe they included ridiculous amounts of compensatory duties,thus comprimising your rest days.The agreement stated quite specifically-5 day on,3 days off REST,REST,REST.
Which part of REST do they not understand?Incidentally less rest days more fatigue thus compromising on safety even further.
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DFC if you are ,as stated a pilot you are exactly the sort of pilot that I don't want flying in my sector. You don't listen, you think you know what is going on and make assumptions based on that and you always seem to think that you are right when in fact you're way off mark. I'm sure nobody likes sitting in the cockpit with you either. Now I'm gong to take the advice of the very intelligent people on this thread and delete your posts .....
Now back to the important issues at hand..... I am amazed that not more has been made of the fact that controllers are sitting in positions for more than is legally allowed and that the IAA are turning a blind eye to this major safety issue. More importantly what would Joe the public think if they knew that the air traffic controller controlling their plane has been sitting there for up to 4 hours controlling peak traffic levels because there is nobody to give this person a break. Perhaps it would be interesting to hear pilot's opinion on this matter too.
Now back to the important issues at hand..... I am amazed that not more has been made of the fact that controllers are sitting in positions for more than is legally allowed and that the IAA are turning a blind eye to this major safety issue. More importantly what would Joe the public think if they knew that the air traffic controller controlling their plane has been sitting there for up to 4 hours controlling peak traffic levels because there is nobody to give this person a break. Perhaps it would be interesting to hear pilot's opinion on this matter too.
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God you have to pity DFC - its obvious he/she thinks that trying to make amends is done by saying "yeah but im right ANYWAY" and telling other people what they should know and think. 
They obviously have one of those personality disorders that prevents them from listening to anything apart from their own pre-conceived ideas and prejuidices, not absorbing any information provided and being incapable interacting normally with others.
For someone who lists their occupation as P1 its very worrying. I for one would not get in ANY airplane with this dangerous idiot at the controls. I hope some first officer never has to call a go-around when this clown is P1 -chances are the go-around call will be ignored because this IDIOT just knows whats best-ALWAYS.
The sad thing is, the potential to make some good points is there-they just continually get it ass ways.
For instance and to qoute : ""Macker,
You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going.
So all that will have happened is a few weeks over which there were a few zero rates applied and then back to the same old same old.....but with more money for it.""
A monkey could tell you that if the system is to run WITHOUT delays then of course overtime is required because we are so short of staff. But one of two things can happen
1) IAA do nothing and the delays and closures will continue as there isn't just enough staff.
2) The IAA come forward with a range of concrete proposals. The first and most important is what are they going to do to recruit more staff?. That means concrete figures for SCP classes, an AD campaign in flight international to recruit direct entries, and a plan to show that in 5 years we wont be back in this situation again when retirements kick in.
As people are sick of doing overtime anyway, and any overtime requirement will have to be structured then as i keep saying , the proposals on tuesday will have to be very , very attractive and interesting.
Even if they are attractive and interesting that doesnt mean that in a few weeks all the delays and closures will be gone. People are so angry and pissed off with our own company that many have been turnrd right off doing anymore than they are contracted to do. Add into that the sizeable MAJORITY who never do overtime because their days off are so precious its conceivable that even if the IAA chuck a HUGE increase at the problem - they might not get the overtime requirement to fill the gaps caused by being SO SHORT OF STAFF.
Did you grasp that? Last chance......................
So first and foremost-recruit more staff. Then people will listen to all the rest -BUT there are no guarantees.
If you are indeed a P1 and have paying passengers down the back you should be appalled that the person keeping YOU safe is being put into a situation where they are working 3 to 4 hours without a break and are fatigued well before the end of their twist. Never mind fatigued at the end of their twist. Then add in the requirement for a bagload of overtime and you get the picture.
The one thing the public wants to know when they fly is that they are safe. Wonder how they would feel if they knew how short we are and all that entails?
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OCK1F
DFC you owe this thread and the people here an apology for the AF1/Osama comment. Lets see what you are made of.
They obviously have one of those personality disorders that prevents them from listening to anything apart from their own pre-conceived ideas and prejuidices, not absorbing any information provided and being incapable interacting normally with others.
For someone who lists their occupation as P1 its very worrying. I for one would not get in ANY airplane with this dangerous idiot at the controls. I hope some first officer never has to call a go-around when this clown is P1 -chances are the go-around call will be ignored because this IDIOT just knows whats best-ALWAYS.
The sad thing is, the potential to make some good points is there-they just continually get it ass ways.
For instance and to qoute : ""Macker,
You and I both know that in a matter of days or perhaps weeks we will be back to overtime without any complaints - probably better paid overtime but it will still be the same overtime as was done before to keep things going.
So all that will have happened is a few weeks over which there were a few zero rates applied and then back to the same old same old.....but with more money for it.""
A monkey could tell you that if the system is to run WITHOUT delays then of course overtime is required because we are so short of staff. But one of two things can happen
1) IAA do nothing and the delays and closures will continue as there isn't just enough staff.
2) The IAA come forward with a range of concrete proposals. The first and most important is what are they going to do to recruit more staff?. That means concrete figures for SCP classes, an AD campaign in flight international to recruit direct entries, and a plan to show that in 5 years we wont be back in this situation again when retirements kick in.
As people are sick of doing overtime anyway, and any overtime requirement will have to be structured then as i keep saying , the proposals on tuesday will have to be very , very attractive and interesting.
Even if they are attractive and interesting that doesnt mean that in a few weeks all the delays and closures will be gone. People are so angry and pissed off with our own company that many have been turnrd right off doing anymore than they are contracted to do. Add into that the sizeable MAJORITY who never do overtime because their days off are so precious its conceivable that even if the IAA chuck a HUGE increase at the problem - they might not get the overtime requirement to fill the gaps caused by being SO SHORT OF STAFF.
Did you grasp that?
Last chance......................So first and foremost-recruit more staff. Then people will listen to all the rest -BUT there are no guarantees.
If you are indeed a P1 and have paying passengers down the back you should be appalled that the person keeping YOU safe is being put into a situation where they are working 3 to 4 hours without a break and are fatigued well before the end of their twist. Never mind fatigued at the end of their twist. Then add in the requirement for a bagload of overtime and you get the picture.
The one thing the public wants to know when they fly is that they are safe. Wonder how they would feel if they knew how short we are and all that entails?
Yours as ever
OCK1F
DFC you owe this thread and the people here an apology for the AF1/Osama comment. Lets see what you are made of.
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who polices the police?
I am amazed that not more has been made of the fact that controllers are sitting in positions for more than is legally allowed and that the IAA are turning a blind eye to this major safety issue. More importantly what would Joe the public think if they knew that the air traffic controller controlling their plane has been sitting there for up to 4 hours controlling peak traffic levels because there is nobody to give this person a break.
If you have a query about ATC staff numbers/jobs etc, the address is
IAA, Hawkins Street, Dublin 2
If you have a query for the regulator, that oversees the safe operation of ATS in Ireland, the address is
IAA, Hawkins Street, Dublin 2
quis custodiet ipsos custodes - who indeed !
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DFC you owe this thread and the people here an apology for the AF1/Osama comment. Lets see what you are made of.
Now that is great.
Perhaps every post 911 / Taliban joke or comment should be appologised for.
Well it may be utter rubbish..........
and the bickering is outstanding.........
But it keeps this thred firmly planted at the top of the ATC Forum.
As MOL says..........there is no such thing as bad publicity..........it's all just publicity.
Remove my posts and the "Ah aren't we the great lads" / "the saviours" / "the ones who know best" posts and there is nothing left.
Safety and Expedition.
Don't forgret the latter because a total lack of it can cause problems with the former.
I will await the confirmation on Tuesday that we are not going to have a holiday and that it is back to the same old same old but you will have a few more bob in your pocket.
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Commercial pilots have 'duty hours' regulations in place, to combat fatigue and improve safety. Some countries have ATCO working hours regulations, to combat fatigue and improve safety.
Why can't the IAA step up to the plate and put something legal in place for it's ATCOs (which it employs but also supposedly regulates ) ?? Do they believe that Irish controllers are superhuman and don't suffer the same way that human beings all over the planet do when forced to work long hours in high workload situations, and sometimes at times when circadian rhythms are in play ??
But then we've seen how they regulate Ryanair in terms of 'interpreting' rules and regulations, for example the moving of goalposts when dealing with maximum number of flight hours for aircrew annually, so I suppose not.
Why can't the IAA step up to the plate and put something legal in place for it's ATCOs (which it employs but also supposedly regulates
) ?? Do they believe that Irish controllers are superhuman and don't suffer the same way that human beings all over the planet do when forced to work long hours in high workload situations, and sometimes at times when circadian rhythms are in play ??But then we've seen how they regulate Ryanair in terms of 'interpreting' rules and regulations, for example the moving of goalposts when dealing with maximum number of flight hours for aircrew annually, so I suppose not.
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Yes its quite unusual we dont have ANY legal maximums apart from the laws that pertain to everyone. IN the UK there is the CAP670 and while i havent read it from cover to cover is it true that its a lgeal requirement fro ATC to get a break every two hours?
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The relevant legislation in the UK is thus:
In NATS, the union have also negotiated enhanced relief for various busy operational positions at various units and various times, bringing the maximum working time down to 1.5 hours. Note that this is not a legal maximum, which remains at 2 hours, but an acceptance by management that 2 hours providing an ATC service is not sustainable in the interests of fatigue and safety when faced with busy and complex traffic patterns.
The IAA fellow who spent time at NATS must have seen this in practice, or been briefed on it. Unless he walked around with blinkers on, or never actually set foot on a busy NATS unit.
2.2.1 Breaks in Operational Duty
2.2.1.1 No operational duty shall exceed a period of two hours without there being taken during, or at the end of, that period a break or breaks totalling not less than 30 minutes.
2.2.1.2 At units where workload for any part of the day is judged to be low and the activity is spasmodic rather than continuous, periods of operational duty, at these times, may be extended to a maximum of four hours, provided that the following break is taken pro-rata (e.g. 45 minutes after 3 hours or 60 minutes after 4 hours). (see Note below)
NOTE: Judgements on unit workload are to be made by unit managers in consultation with the appropriate Regional Manager of ATS Safety Regulation in the case of Airports or the Head of En-route and College Regulation in the case of Area Control Centres.
2.2.1.1 No operational duty shall exceed a period of two hours without there being taken during, or at the end of, that period a break or breaks totalling not less than 30 minutes.
2.2.1.2 At units where workload for any part of the day is judged to be low and the activity is spasmodic rather than continuous, periods of operational duty, at these times, may be extended to a maximum of four hours, provided that the following break is taken pro-rata (e.g. 45 minutes after 3 hours or 60 minutes after 4 hours). (see Note below)
NOTE: Judgements on unit workload are to be made by unit managers in consultation with the appropriate Regional Manager of ATS Safety Regulation in the case of Airports or the Head of En-route and College Regulation in the case of Area Control Centres.
The IAA fellow who spent time at NATS must have seen this in practice, or been briefed on it. Unless he walked around with blinkers on, or never actually set foot on a busy NATS unit.
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The IAA fellow who spent time at NATS must have seen this in practice, or been briefed on it. Unless he walked around with blinkers on, or never actually set foot on a busy NATS unit.