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Spanador - i agree 110% - if your wishlist happens it would be a start to mending some bridges which is badly needed too after a couple of weeks of shamefull IAA conduct.
Macker- i am amazed that Impact haven't done more publicly. Its not like they are unaware of the facts. I still think are getting some heat from outside hence the reluctance to use their many PR people to defend us. I reckon our voice is only being heard publicly thru' this forum - which is a pity and shouldn't be so.
Impact as well as IAA management would be wise to pay very close attention to the sentiment and feeling that is evident amongst all staff. IF they collude in coming out with fancy sounding but ineffective proposals on super tuesday then i think Impact will have lost any chance of guiding and influencing the process-Michael Landers and Shay Cody pay heed.
Remember it is the staff that stood together for what is right. All three stations have stood united. Let that not be forgotten. If needs be then we will do what has to be done-Impact or no Impact.
If Impact are really a union and are there because of, and for their members then all they have to do is read this entire thread and it will be plain to see what is EXPECTED and REQUIRED of them on super tuesday. Funnily enough the same applies to management.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
Macker- i am amazed that Impact haven't done more publicly. Its not like they are unaware of the facts. I still think are getting some heat from outside hence the reluctance to use their many PR people to defend us. I reckon our voice is only being heard publicly thru' this forum - which is a pity and shouldn't be so.
Impact as well as IAA management would be wise to pay very close attention to the sentiment and feeling that is evident amongst all staff. IF they collude in coming out with fancy sounding but ineffective proposals on super tuesday then i think Impact will have lost any chance of guiding and influencing the process-Michael Landers and Shay Cody pay heed.
Remember it is the staff that stood together for what is right. All three stations have stood united. Let that not be forgotten. If needs be then we will do what has to be done-Impact or no Impact.
If Impact are really a union and are there because of, and for their members then all they have to do is read this entire thread and it will be plain to see what is EXPECTED and REQUIRED of them on super tuesday. Funnily enough the same applies to management.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
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Well, Genex Touche.
Didn't mean to offend ( just rap you on the knuckles ). You, of course, understand whats going on, more than alot of people. Being there, done that, right?
Didn't mean to offend ( just rap you on the knuckles ). You, of course, understand whats going on, more than alot of people. Being there, done that, right?
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I just checked the website of OUR company to see what slander and insults have been published about the degenerates in DUB who are apparently walking off the job again tonight.
But wait-they must scared of the dub controllers-its the shortest press release yet. It only says that ye are engaged in disruptive action. Come on get out there on "strike" with the rest of us. Or at least do some of that wildcat stuff we are meant to do. At the very least how about upgrading what ye are doing to "unofficial action"
Has the tide in the PR battle turned or is it because its a saturday?
Or is it that they dont want to mess with the DUBS ?
16 February 2008: Due to ongoing disruptive action by air traffic controllers, there will be no air traffic services at Dublin Airport between 2330hrs tonight and 0630hrs on Sunday 17 February. It is expected that 10 flights will be affected; eight arrivals and two early morning departures.
Intending passengers should contact their airline for further information. The Irish Aviation Authority regrets the inconvenience to the travelling public and to airlines.
Further talks are scheduled to take place on 19 February between the Authority and IMPACT, the controllers’ union, in an attempt to find a resolution to this ongoing dispute.
ENDS
Yours as ever
OCK1F
But wait-they must scared of the dub controllers-its the shortest press release yet. It only says that ye are engaged in disruptive action. Come on get out there on "strike" with the rest of us. Or at least do some of that wildcat stuff we are meant to do. At the very least how about upgrading what ye are doing to "unofficial action"
Has the tide in the PR battle turned or is it because its a saturday?
Or is it that they dont want to mess with the DUBS ?
16 February 2008: Due to ongoing disruptive action by air traffic controllers, there will be no air traffic services at Dublin Airport between 2330hrs tonight and 0630hrs on Sunday 17 February. It is expected that 10 flights will be affected; eight arrivals and two early morning departures.
Intending passengers should contact their airline for further information. The Irish Aviation Authority regrets the inconvenience to the travelling public and to airlines.
Further talks are scheduled to take place on 19 February between the Authority and IMPACT, the controllers’ union, in an attempt to find a resolution to this ongoing dispute.
ENDS
Yours as ever
OCK1F
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Editing DFC
If you look at DFC's profile page there's an option to add him to your IGNORE list. If we all do that maybe He'll go away........
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"Does Dublin really need 4 air controllers plus more to give them breaks for 2 runway operation?
Thank God Heathrow does not require that many"
DFC,
Considering the fact that you don't work for the IAA or NATS for that matter, and I'm willing to bet no other Service provider would have you, then how in gods name do you have any idea of the situation both here or in Heathrow. Have you ever actually been in heathrow tower? I'm guessing not.
By the way you never told me what happened when that controller broke his leg?
Thank God Heathrow does not require that many"
DFC,
Considering the fact that you don't work for the IAA or NATS for that matter, and I'm willing to bet no other Service provider would have you, then how in gods name do you have any idea of the situation both here or in Heathrow. Have you ever actually been in heathrow tower? I'm guessing not.
By the way you never told me what happened when that controller broke his leg?
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One more time.......
Once and for all DO NOT pass any comment on the postings of our now infamous "friend".This whole issue deserves a dignified thread and not to be influenced by the rantings of a wannabe.Stick to the point.Our views are being heard far and wide compliments to PPRUNE.The press may be a little manipulative with the truth but we are not.Super Tuesday has now taken on a life of its own.Its now or never.As for our IMPACT reps,do not accept any half assed proposals.Management know what they have to do.Time will tell.
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editing dfc
If you look at DFC's profile page there's an option to add him to your IGNORE list. If we all do that maybe He'll go away........
He's lost the plot now. Improper attempts at slander just show its working
What a c u next tuesday
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Right lads
If we can exercise our right not to work overtime, then we can exercise our right not to reply to this poster! I've deleted all reference of the poster from my previous posts.
ALL TOGETHER NOW
Let's not bow to ignorance
They could be posting a description of you next
If we can exercise our right not to work overtime, then we can exercise our right not to reply to this poster! I've deleted all reference of the poster from my previous posts.
ALL TOGETHER NOW
Let's not bow to ignorance
They could be posting a description of you next
Macker, Yahweh, Irishatco just let the baby have it's bottle
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The irony of it all.....
Back to the present.Rumour has it Shannon had Flow Control measures implemented today due STAFF SHORTAGES.How ironic.Traffic allegedly restricted in both upper and lower airspace from 1600-2100.Didnt hear much about that in the media.Would like to see the IAA explain that one in one of their now infamous press releases:We are not short staffed but have seen it fit to impose delays due to staff shortages!
Hmmm-is it just me or are you all just as confused as I am?
Incidentally Shannon would appear to be as busy as ever recently with 7-8 upper en route sectors per day,oh yes and not enough staff to man them.
Hmmm-is it just me or are you all just as confused as I am?
Incidentally Shannon would appear to be as busy as ever recently with 7-8 upper en route sectors per day,oh yes and not enough staff to man them.
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I've been following this thread with interest and hope that this brief intrusion without merit isn't unwelcome.
I have nothing to add but I just wanted to give my total support and encouragement to my Irish colleagues and countryfolk in their quest for fairness and respect from their employer.
Much respect and good luck to you all.
I have nothing to add but I just wanted to give my total support and encouragement to my Irish colleagues and countryfolk in their quest for fairness and respect from their employer.
Much respect and good luck to you all.
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By the way you never told me what happened when that controller broke his leg?
The only serious issue I think was the time it took to get an Ambulance out. Not an ATC isue but a simple workplace issue that can happen anywhere people work unaccompanied should an accident happen.
Had there been an ATSA or if even the cleaner had been present then even that would not have been an issue.
Like I said, the IAA licence the ATS units at Waterford, Kerry, Galway, Knock, Sligo and Donegal to provide combined Tower and Approach services with only 1 ATCO present. They have always operated on combined Tower and Approach with a single ATCO present. There is nothing new in that.
Trimming staff excess is not going to solve the problem but it would help when combined with recruitment of direct entry permanent staff not hindered as previous direct entries were, improving the number of ATCO's holding and using multiple validations eg get the Shannon APR people doing a bit more work and using training and admin ATCOs more in the operations side.
If the IAA agree to a 50% payrise and to recruit 100 controllers per year and put 5 controllers on every position......ATC by comittee for a collective ass covering exercise.......then I can guarantee that there will be no more disruption effective immediately.
Heck even if they only meet simple demands then there will not be any more disruption...........despite the fact that even direct entries trained as quickly as possible will not be operational and validated and part of the roster for months and months.
Is it a safety issue? No. Is it going to take years to solve - Yes. Will ATCOs once again sell their leave - Yes. Will they after all the shouting go back to doing overtime - Yes.
The IAA slander you
The press slander you
The public slander you
"Slander you" - verbosity - the act of not automatically believing exactly what is said by some posters. Easily counteracted by a question such as "Shannon Airforce One, are you sure you want an aircraft at our level at the same position?"
Tower to Osama????
You just have to laugh - and pay the user fees for the higher paid overtime
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This is a one time warning to everyone. Postings which identify individuals (either by name or description or reputation) will be summarily deleted, unless that persons name is in the public domain and any comments are not defamatory. One such post has already been culled.
Any poster who does not heed this also runs the risk of being barred from accessing this thread.
I think I'll leave this obtuse cr*p up. It speaks more about the poster than anything else and so should remain there for everyone else to form their own opinions on someone who is losing the plot. It's kind of like saying it was actually Air Force One's fault because after all a US Air Force pilot made a mistake once. 
Operational errors happen. On the flight deck. In ATC. In ground ops. They're **** all to do with this thread.
Any poster who does not heed this also runs the risk of being barred from accessing this thread.
["Slander you" - verbosity - the act of not automatically believing exactly what is said by some posters. Easily counteracted by a question such as "Shannon Airforce One, are you sure you want an aircraft at our level at the same position?"
Tower to Osama????
Tower to Osama????
Operational errors happen. On the flight deck. In ATC. In ground ops. They're **** all to do with this thread.
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Sorry but i am appalled and shocked beyond belief by this idiot .
PPrune Radar its your perogative to leave up posts as you wish and i see your reasoning about how this idiots posts just highlight how unbalanced they are , BUT surely by suggesting that IAA controllers are members of AlQueda and have deliberately endangered airforce one is way beyond "normal"
I'm tempted to let my true opinion of this idiot be known but couldnt be arsed wasting my time on a nobody.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
PPrune Radar its your perogative to leave up posts as you wish and i see your reasoning about how this idiots posts just highlight how unbalanced they are , BUT surely by suggesting that IAA controllers are members of AlQueda and have deliberately endangered airforce one is way beyond "normal"
I'm tempted to let my true opinion of this idiot be known but couldnt be arsed wasting my time on a nobody.
Yours as ever
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breaking news!!
iaa management aka Incredibly Annoying Accountants
and union be very aware that the staff are united like never before in all 3 stations and are not willing to accept some half arsed solution.
we will stick together no matter how long it takes
why??
because without any pressure on the management they have been shown up as lazy incompetent and completely unable and unwilling to treat the staff with any respect.
and union be very aware that the staff are united like never before in all 3 stations and are not willing to accept some half arsed solution.
we will stick together no matter how long it takes
why??
because without any pressure on the management they have been shown up as lazy incompetent and completely unable and unwilling to treat the staff with any respect.
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why the delay?
it seems to me that this overtime issue that we are all irked over is
easily fixable.
1.acknowledgement of related problems
ie. understaffing - leading to:-.
a.occasional 3-4hr stints in positions in shannon
b. inability to open sectors when required
c.if i cant ever get leave when i need it i sure as heck
aint going to give up my time off for overtime
d.pending dispute on carry over of annual leave due to
inability to use leave.
2 short term solution
controllers continue to work overtime under a more formal
arrangement which protects services and controllers.
3 long term solution make staffing requirements an issue for local management and make it a function of administrators to budget for operational requirements.
Staff and Unions in shannon really want to elliminate the 3-4 hr stints in busy radar positions and the overloading of sectors and as such are looking to engage with management on the causes and solutions to these very serious problems.
so can somebody tell me why the IAA are waiting for a day in the LRC which going by past form will be followed by a day in the labour court followed by a day in the LRC followed by ..........
easily fixable.
1.acknowledgement of related problems
ie. understaffing - leading to:-.
a.occasional 3-4hr stints in positions in shannon
b. inability to open sectors when required
c.if i cant ever get leave when i need it i sure as heck
aint going to give up my time off for overtime
d.pending dispute on carry over of annual leave due to
inability to use leave.
2 short term solution
controllers continue to work overtime under a more formal
arrangement which protects services and controllers.
3 long term solution make staffing requirements an issue for local management and make it a function of administrators to budget for operational requirements.
Staff and Unions in shannon really want to elliminate the 3-4 hr stints in busy radar positions and the overloading of sectors and as such are looking to engage with management on the causes and solutions to these very serious problems.
so can somebody tell me why the IAA are waiting for a day in the LRC which going by past form will be followed by a day in the labour court followed by a day in the LRC followed by ..........