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Poor Mick
Sure doesn't he have to close that website down on friday because its "misleading"
Any news from the LRC?
Sure doesn't he have to close that website down on friday because its "misleading"
Any news from the LRC?
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Peter Sherrard
I caught the end of this guy on Newstalk breakfast show this morning spouting something similar. I emailed the show immeadiately but they ignored me...
Now I read his ideas I think we should give him a job in the IAA!
Better still, why not get Mick to buy us out? We're going cheap based on Mr. Sherrards estimates.
I hope that 'Blue Flu' isn't catching - the one were those blue airplanes are always number last...
Now I read his ideas I think we should give him a job in the IAA!
Better still, why not get Mick to buy us out? We're going cheap based on Mr. Sherrards estimates.
I hope that 'Blue Flu' isn't catching - the one were those blue airplanes are always number last...
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ryanair sticking their oar in again.
I wonder where ryanair are getting their wildly inaccurate information. A mischevious source inside HQ?
Ryanair could also be repaying the head honchos in the iAA for "bending" the rules in relation to the flight crew hours. A favour for a favour ?
Its no secret that ryanair have problems with their crew using up all their hoursbefore a full year is up. This hits them hard. They have to cut some services and routes and wet lease in other airlines to keep other routes going. Anyone remember the Eirjet that landed at the wrong (disused) airfield in Derry that was wearing a ryanair call-sign/service number?
Of course the IAA dont see the conflict of interest in "bending" the rules for their biggest domestic customer and being an INDEPENDANT regulator of such airlines?
It is also well known that IAA staff have been seconded to ryanair to help them with flight planning issues. Most unusual.....
But of the direct accustaions the most galling one has to be that we are orchestrating a "blue flu in order to shut the airports so as to get more money" .
Thats just wrong.
Anyone who reads this thread from start to finish will realise that the most important thing is that more staff is needed. I find the accusation that people who are sick are not actually sick , just putting it on, is a disgraceful one. Typical tho' and people would expect nothing less of ryanair. Most just ignore the ranting and ravings of the jumped up egos of self importance that inhabit ryanair these days.
I heard a rumour that when SIDS and Stars were introduced in shannon IAA management instructed staff via an office notice that they were to give priority to ryanair traffic above all other airlines. The reason was they didnt want to piss off ryanair. I guess Aer Lingus neber found out about that notice inside the IAA???????
That goes against the very definition of an air traffic control service. I think the staff in shannon just ignored it and took traffic on a firstcome/first served basis as they were meant to do.
I guess the days of us busting our backs to get ryanair preferential flight levels and sorting out their requests for FL370 ,when they have filed for FL230 to beat regulation are over. Let O'leary quantify how much extra fuel and cash thats going to cost him. And all because he stuck his nose in somewhere it didn't belong.
MOL and ryanair are always talking about the market and market forces.Well try this on for size. The IAA have pissed off their staff so much that i for one want 2,000 euro a day for every day off i work. Otherwise i wont even consider it. Its no skin of my nose if dont go into work on a day off. And as for market forces consider this-we are the only ones allowed to do this job.
So MOL if you want your airline to continue flying i suggest that you have a word in the IAA's ear and tell them to recruit enough staff and if you want to plug the gap with overtime then they had better stump up all the cash they can - otherwise peolple wont do overtime and as a consequence-their will be no ATC service and your airplanes are going no where.
You also once said that the only 2 things that would close ryanair are a nuclear war in europe and a ryanair plane crash. Well does a mid-air fall into that category.?? Because if the controllers are so fatigued , tired , pissed off and disallusioned then the risks of such an unfortunate event increase rapidly.
The two areas that ryanair pride themselves on are 1) the amount of money they spend on the maintenance of their planes and 2) how well their pilots are..
Well spending money on ATC and recruitment is like maintenance. Its imperative for the travelling public to feel safe and actually be safe. Thats why you spend probably more than you want on maintenace and your pilots? But you do it because you have to. The same applies to ATC.
You dont need to worry about being charged more user fees for the same service just because we need more staff. The IAA is well able to fund such monies from their existing charging structure.
So perhaps MOL should be asking am i being ripped off at the moment by the IAA and why havent' they recruited enough staff to provide the service to your airplanes.
See ya.
I wonder where ryanair are getting their wildly inaccurate information. A mischevious source inside HQ?
Ryanair could also be repaying the head honchos in the iAA for "bending" the rules in relation to the flight crew hours. A favour for a favour ?
Its no secret that ryanair have problems with their crew using up all their hoursbefore a full year is up. This hits them hard. They have to cut some services and routes and wet lease in other airlines to keep other routes going. Anyone remember the Eirjet that landed at the wrong (disused) airfield in Derry that was wearing a ryanair call-sign/service number?
Of course the IAA dont see the conflict of interest in "bending" the rules for their biggest domestic customer and being an INDEPENDANT regulator of such airlines?
It is also well known that IAA staff have been seconded to ryanair to help them with flight planning issues. Most unusual.....
But of the direct accustaions the most galling one has to be that we are orchestrating a "blue flu in order to shut the airports so as to get more money" .
Thats just wrong.
Anyone who reads this thread from start to finish will realise that the most important thing is that more staff is needed. I find the accusation that people who are sick are not actually sick , just putting it on, is a disgraceful one. Typical tho' and people would expect nothing less of ryanair. Most just ignore the ranting and ravings of the jumped up egos of self importance that inhabit ryanair these days.
I heard a rumour that when SIDS and Stars were introduced in shannon IAA management instructed staff via an office notice that they were to give priority to ryanair traffic above all other airlines. The reason was they didnt want to piss off ryanair. I guess Aer Lingus neber found out about that notice inside the IAA???????
That goes against the very definition of an air traffic control service. I think the staff in shannon just ignored it and took traffic on a firstcome/first served basis as they were meant to do.
I guess the days of us busting our backs to get ryanair preferential flight levels and sorting out their requests for FL370 ,when they have filed for FL230 to beat regulation are over. Let O'leary quantify how much extra fuel and cash thats going to cost him. And all because he stuck his nose in somewhere it didn't belong.
MOL and ryanair are always talking about the market and market forces.Well try this on for size. The IAA have pissed off their staff so much that i for one want 2,000 euro a day for every day off i work. Otherwise i wont even consider it. Its no skin of my nose if dont go into work on a day off. And as for market forces consider this-we are the only ones allowed to do this job.
So MOL if you want your airline to continue flying i suggest that you have a word in the IAA's ear and tell them to recruit enough staff and if you want to plug the gap with overtime then they had better stump up all the cash they can - otherwise peolple wont do overtime and as a consequence-their will be no ATC service and your airplanes are going no where.
You also once said that the only 2 things that would close ryanair are a nuclear war in europe and a ryanair plane crash. Well does a mid-air fall into that category.?? Because if the controllers are so fatigued , tired , pissed off and disallusioned then the risks of such an unfortunate event increase rapidly.
The two areas that ryanair pride themselves on are 1) the amount of money they spend on the maintenance of their planes and 2) how well their pilots are..
Well spending money on ATC and recruitment is like maintenance. Its imperative for the travelling public to feel safe and actually be safe. Thats why you spend probably more than you want on maintenace and your pilots? But you do it because you have to. The same applies to ATC.
You dont need to worry about being charged more user fees for the same service just because we need more staff. The IAA is well able to fund such monies from their existing charging structure.
So perhaps MOL should be asking am i being ripped off at the moment by the IAA and why havent' they recruited enough staff to provide the service to your airplanes.
See ya.
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* Average pay of €108,000 p.a. plus a 32% pension contributions which equates to €142,000 p.a.
He also fails to mention that it takes 18-20 years to reach the top of the scale and that and that by law we most have a pension which we cant draw on till we reach 65 or have 40 years service!
A 30 minute break every 2 hours worked
Overtime rate of €102 per hour or €800 per day
Before tax and only if your at the top of the scale Mick
15% pay increase just to volunteer to go on an overtime list
8 hour days - luxury!
Fraid not mick...shortest duty i know of is 5 hours and the longest is 11......and they are "day duties" they are a mixture of days morning and night duties....
This is a scam on the travelling public and ordinary passengers. It’s about time that Bertie Ahern’s government stood up to these public sector trade union scams and implemented a contingency plan to prevent these public sector unions closing our international airports
Like what Mick...Bertie isnt in the same position as Ronnie Regan...whos going to take over..the Aer Corps!
People looking for €1,200 for a day of overtime should be told to "foxtrot oscar
k...how much would it cost you if 2 of your jets came together becasue the atco in charge was fatigued!!!!?Keep it up and your lads can Foxtrot oscar when they request more dct,higher level..etc etc....
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Blue Flue" strike actions
What the **** is FLUE???
2 mistakes in that line alone......no one is going sick on purpose and we arent strikeing ................................yet!!
closing our international airports as a means of seeking unjustified pay increases
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I can see it all now after that monumental sticking their nose in where it didnt belong...."FR what speed are you doing? 250 kts......EIN whats your speed? 320kts....FR direct ROKNA....EIN direct CF 28....That sharp kick on the ankles from Mr Sheppard will serve FR to the contary.
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Yes i can see Fr takin the scenic route from now on .
so far no news . they havent lit the fire yet like they do in the vatican to signal the outside world whether resoloution and agreement have ben reached.
Could be a long one. Obviously no breakthru'.
so far no news . they havent lit the fire yet like they do in the vatican to signal the outside world whether resoloution and agreement have ben reached.
Could be a long one. Obviously no breakthru'.
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Well said macker ...... my first reaction to the HarpAir ****e spouting was to get pretty mad - but on reflection their advertising campaigns are prefaced on doing/saying something outrageous to provoke someone into sueing them. It is a cheap and transparent ploy beneath our comtempt - anyone noticed by the way that cowardly Ryanair have no e-mail contact for customer feedback ... so even if I did want to point out to them what a bunch of twats they are being .......
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Eoghan Corry Interview
Any chance of hearing the above interview another way? I keep timing out the server when using the slider to the time suggested and after listening to the whole 1st hour of the show (I know.... but I really want to hear it!!!), the thing just stopped!
So a transcript will do if no one has another solution!
Thanks in advance.
So a transcript will do if no one has another solution!
Thanks in advance.
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I am very disappointed that as yet no journalist has made the very obvious connection between the recent Ryanair pilots' protest regarding working times and the Air Traffic controllers finally blowing the whistle on the unsafe working conditions being forced on them .
Will there have to be a major incident/accident in Irish airspace or involving an overworked Ryanair crew for the public to realise that the IAA make rules that suit themselves or indeed it seems for their friend Michael. Maybe it is about time that someone(and not someone they can accuse of being a disgruntled employee ) had the balls to question what exactly is going on in Irish Aviation and why politics has such a big part to play in an industry where safety should be the main focus.
Will there have to be a major incident/accident in Irish airspace or involving an overworked Ryanair crew for the public to realise that the IAA make rules that suit themselves or indeed it seems for their friend Michael. Maybe it is about time that someone(and not someone they can accuse of being a disgruntled employee ) had the balls to question what exactly is going on in Irish Aviation and why politics has such a big part to play in an industry where safety should be the main focus.
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Newstalk Interview
Anyone interested in listening to that "Ryanair Mouthpiece" this morn on Newstalk try this link and subscribe to the podcast.
http://newstalk.ie/newstalk/breakfas.../podcasts.html
http://newstalk.ie/newstalk/breakfas.../podcasts.html
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Late Lander
Before handover to Dublin flt was told by Shannon to contact company.
Subsequently on handover flt was cleared dct to the centre fix and given
descent clearance. Only at a very late stage was flt told by Dublin that
airport was closed.( Flt was aware of NOTAM and ANM).
After being so informed by Dublin there were further discussions on company radio and further telephone discussions between company and
Dublin ATC. Meanwhile flt was holding. When telephone discussions proved
fruitless flt was so informed by company and preferred alternate Cork
nominated. Flt then requested diversion to Cork. After a few seconds
delay flt was told " err we'll take you in - your the only flt around".
Thank you. 200 pax/crew plus meeters and greeters were saved a lot
of inconvenience.
Why did GCRR release flt if FLS issued? What have CFMU to say?
Why was flt cleared to CF and to descend when you "knew" landing
before closing time was impossible?
Good luck in your talks but try to keep your (green) customers on side.
Subsequently on handover flt was cleared dct to the centre fix and given
descent clearance. Only at a very late stage was flt told by Dublin that
airport was closed.( Flt was aware of NOTAM and ANM).
After being so informed by Dublin there were further discussions on company radio and further telephone discussions between company and
Dublin ATC. Meanwhile flt was holding. When telephone discussions proved
fruitless flt was so informed by company and preferred alternate Cork
nominated. Flt then requested diversion to Cork. After a few seconds
delay flt was told " err we'll take you in - your the only flt around".
Thank you. 200 pax/crew plus meeters and greeters were saved a lot
of inconvenience.
Why did GCRR release flt if FLS issued? What have CFMU to say?
Why was flt cleared to CF and to descend when you "knew" landing
before closing time was impossible?
Good luck in your talks but try to keep your (green) customers on side.
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Bad sign- means they are dragging it out - probabay clouding the issue with stats and background and waffle instead of clearing this up in a couple of hours.
Yours as ever
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Yours as ever
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If that's the case then our guys will be handing over a letter with some dates on it in the not too distant future!
Or maybe they have made progress and are tying down the finer details????
Or maybe they have made progress and are tying down the finer details????