Top of the World: photos from Nepal

[Vertical Freedom]

Just a stab in the dark, because I've only had to use anti-ice maybe only one or twice in 20+ years, but I wouldn't have thought icing would be too much of an issue at those low OAT if you keep out of the clouds. Not likely to be any visible moisture outside the clouds because it's too cold. And keeping out of the clouds is what you'd be doing in any event in a VFR operation.

G'day gulliBell..............too right Mate, You hit the nail on the head :D
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Hoy there cooperplace...................Thanks Mate,the adventure continues & staying outa icing is easy; stay VFR :O

[Vertical Freedom]

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VNSB & Namche Bazaar :hmm:

[Vertical Freedom]

Don't fancy the look of that green tea, but the crumpet looks edible. :ok:

Exakery Old Farang :D
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[RotorBabe]

Just amazing pictures Captain.....please keep them pictures coming and please come for tea to our home.

Om mane madme hung

[Smalahove]

Just amazing pictures Captain.....please keep them pictures coming and please come for tea to our home.Om mane madme hungHm.... there is something a leetle bit suspect about this post. Can't quite put my finger on it...

[Vertical Freedom]

Hey RB................thanks & WILCO x 2 ;)
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Hey Smalahove........that'd be? :confused:
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[gulliBell]

Don't fancy the look of that green tea, but the crumpet looks edible. :ok:

I'd even drink the green tea in exchange for a big piece of that crumpet.

[500e]

Some have no compassion or have I got the spelling wrong again

[Vertical Freedom]

Arrrh Hoy there gulliBell..............Bingo, right again as always :8
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G'day 500e.........Yes, Compassion must be felt & delivered for all Sentient Beings :ok:

[Smalahove]

Hey Smalahove........that'd be? :confused:Well I always thought the mantra was "om mane padme hum".

[Vertical Freedom]

Well I always thought the mantra was "om mane padme hum".

Hey there Smalahove.....agreed, it is, but interestingly many Nepali Buddhists say hung not hum. I dunno why :O

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You want me to go up there?...............Ama Dablam :(

[Vertical Freedom]

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[RotorBabe]

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We Sherpa in Nepal and Tibet are mostly Buddhist. We say om mane padme hung, though I have seen in India they use hum. I cannot explain why, but it has the same meaning. Thank you

[Vertical Freedom]

Namaste RB....thank You for that clarification :cool:

[gulliBell]

VF. #5261. The house of crumpet?

[roybert]

VF. #5261. The house of crumpet?

GulliBell Nope VF's Summer Palace.

[Vertical Freedom]

Hey gulliBell...........Naaar Mate about 200nm West from there ;)
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G'day roybert..................I vish, but a little too cold for me :}

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The 'Danger' end..........fer shoor :}

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What 'Danger' :ugh:

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[krypton_john]

Re post 5272: I dare you to land on that ice!

[belly tank]

Barren spot to live

Good for farming rocks VF :{:ok:

[Vertical Freedom]

Good for farming rocks VF :{:ok:
Hey BT..........& ganja too (I'm sure) :eek:
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G'day KJ...........would very near by pass as an acceptance of yer challenge :8
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[Arrrj]

Pic 5273...

Been there !

Such lovely people. Amazing view. Great food...mmmmm.

If you have not been, you must go to the top of the world !

Arrrj

[timprice]

Keep them coming, your thread is a pleasure to look at.
Hope you are happy pilot.
Tim

[Vertical Freedom]

G'day Arrrj.................Thank You Sir. 'Tis true; great food, great scenery & even greater People ;)
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Namaste timprice......many thanks Brother, WILCO & yep very Happy & Healthy :)

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[Vertical Freedom]

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[Vertical Freedom]

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[Vertical Freedom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=1Fbd3vEEryE
:ugh:

[Ascend Charlie]

Errrrk!

What happened there, VF?

And why didn't he dump the lever when he started to turn?

[gulliBell]

I'd say it's the shortest helicopter career ever...was it only one flight? It would have been an interesting meeting with the Chief Pilot to explain that one.

Note that the helicopter was rotating clockwise, so lots of TR drive was causing that, not MR torque.

[gulliBell]

The fuselage appears to be rotating clockwise to me, if I'm not mistaken the MR spins in a clockwise direction on the AS350, so with my limited understanding of helicopters it seems quite possible that the TR was driving that thing around in circles...roll off the throttle and the TR loses RPM and doesn't have enough oomph to keep the party spinning towards oblivion. Assuming full left pedal had no effect.

[chopjock]

I am wondering if the pilot could reach the throttle without letting go the collective lever...

[albatross]

Bottom the collective and chop the throttle.

[gulliBell]

Well, eventually he bottomed the whole rock show and chopped everything.

[Ascend Charlie]

Maybe he tried to lift off without hydraulics - having pulled some lever up to get light, he couldn't put it back down? Pedals then unresponsive? Not smart enough to chop the throttle?

Put a nice Strauss waltz as the soundtrack.

[Vertical Freedom]

Put a nice Strauss waltz as the soundtrack.

G'day AC....hmmmm my guess is; the Pilot landed, lowering some lever (not all the way down), & kept the power pedal still applied from the pre landing/arrival R pedal setting, so it started rotating to the right & he got confused & choose to do nothing, just sat there watching frozen/clueless of the impeding crash unfold! Had he just dumped the collective, he’d have been glued to the pad, or fly the picture; stop the turn & maintain position with the shtick; end of story....yer but, yer but, yer but :{
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Hey gulliBell.....Yep, going down; bloody lucky just stopped on the roof than free falling 30 floors down to the ground :eek:
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Hoy albatross.............exactly; it ain't rocket science, we ALL trained for such simple problems (I hope) :D
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Namaste chopjock...............great question, stunned mullet comes to mind, I'm flabbergasted :rolleyes:
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[gulliBell]

G'day AC....hmmmm my guess is; the Pilot landed, lowering some lever (not all the way down), & kept the power pedal still applied from the pre landing/arrival R pedal setting, so it started rotating to the right & he got confused & choose to do nothing..


If an explanation for anything could be unbelievable, yet feasible, that would be it. Maybe give him an S76 to drive instead, then he wouldn't have to worry so much about which pedal to push. Just keep both feet off the pedals and let the collective yaw mixer and auto-pilot take care of directional business. Oh, on 2nd thought, disregard that, now that I remember the altitude you need to operate at. You'd be solving one problem and causing another.

[Vertical Freedom]

G'day gulliBell...................Mate nuthin' can solve this problem bar grounding :eek:

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[Non-PC Plod]

If an explanation for anything could be unbelievable, yet feasible, that would be it. Maybe give him an S76 to drive instead, then he wouldn't have to worry so much about which pedal to push. Just keep both feet off the pedals and let the collective yaw mixer and auto-pilot take care of directional business. Oh, on 2nd thought, disregard that, now that I remember the altitude you need to operate at. You'd be solving one problem and causing another.

Perfectly believable to me. Classic startle effect. Some people just freeze like rabbits in the headlights when they are scared. I have had students in the sim, who have crashed with me saying to them " Lower the collective, lower the collective! , LOWER THE COLLECTIVE, LOWER THE COLLECTIVE!!!" Complete failure to respond - brain temporarily shut down.

[Vertical Freedom]

Perfectly believable to me. Classic startle effect. Some people just freeze like rabbits in the headlights when they are scared. I have had students in the sim, who have crashed with me saying to them " Lower the collective, lower the collective! , LOWER THE COLLECTIVE, LOWER THE COLLECTIVE!!!" Complete failure to respond - brain temporarily shut down.

By Jiminy NPCP......BINGO :eek: I think You've stumbled on it ole mate? 'the Bunny faktor', making BugsBunny proud even today :ugh:

[Vertical Freedom]

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ISA+24º :ooh:

[fadecdegraded]

Hey VF why is there no numbers on your mb subscale on the altimeter.????
Can’t see what the QNH is:confused:

[Vertical Freedom]

Hey VF why is there no numbers on your mb subscale on the altimeter.????
Can’t see what the QNH is:confused:

I'm equally shocked FD......but, it is there, just can't read it due reflection; that was the real altitude though :8

[Flying Bull]

Hi Vertical Freedom,

about beeing shocked...
Fraud with Poison (German articel) (https://www.n-tv.de/der_tag/Nepal-deckt-riesigen-Tourismusbetrug-im-Himalaya-auf-article20588313.html)

I had to read, that there has been a big fraud, involving eight travel agencies, four hospitals and three helicopter companys in Nepal.
Tourists were poisoned by the travel agents, so that they needed rescue - and the involved got paid by the insurance companys of the victims.......

Do you have more information?

Greetings Flying Bull

[Vertical Freedom]

Hi Vertical Freedom,

about beeing shocked...
Fraud with Poison (German articel) (https://www.n-tv.de/der_tag/Nepal-deckt-riesigen-Tourismusbetrug-im-Himalaya-auf-article20588313.html)

I had to read, that there has been a big fraud, involving eight travel agencies, four hospitals and three helicopter companys in Nepal.
Tourists were poisoned by the travel agents, so that they needed rescue - and the involved got paid by the insurance companys of the victims.......

Do you have more information?

Greetings Flying Bull
G'day Flying Bull..........................yaaar heard this, it's very sad. I can tell You the numbers of Trekkers being poisoned can be counted on one hand. Sure it has happened, but this is the last thing You need to be concerned about whilst in the Himalayas! As for the fake Rescues, yep tons have happened & these scams, days are very much numbered. Insurance companies don't like being fleeced & are working smarter to avoid these types of scams in future :suspect:
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[Vertical Freedom]

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[Ancient Rotorhead]

Three chocolate frogs for the title on #5301 Steve!

[Vertical Freedom]

Nuttin' like a bitta proof that their click is from a Helicopter.........photographs will hate me for it :ouch:
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[Vertical Freedom]

Yikes.........................:eek:
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[Bhutan_H130]

Hey VF why is there no numbers on your mb subscale on the altimeter.????
Can’t see what the QNH is:confused:
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You mean here?

[Vertical Freedom]

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You mean here?

What to say ole Mate..............bitta reflection going on there (owshiithappens) totally unexpected, or planned :rolleyes: try winding Your altimeter clock up there & see how high You get....there are no tricks being played here, no smoke no mirrors :E original photo can be provided to be checked on 'photoshop' for evidence of tampering or manipulation :D
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Engine health check, right on the button :8

[Vertical Freedom]

Camp 4 :yuk:https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_9939_97c5018c0cd0eb1d7ac050f63b503478314bb65c.jpgWhat a place to park me skids :eek:

[Arrrj]

23,000 feet VF...space shuttle HQ !

Arrrj

[Vertical Freedom]

23,000 feet VF...space shuttle HQ !

Arrrj

Hey Arrrj..........just a regular day in the dome :ooh:
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Camp 4 taxi service is - Go :eek:

[compressor stall]

Awesome pics mate. see you in a bit over 2 weeks!

[Vertical Freedom]

Awesome pics mate. see you in a bit over 2 weeks!

G'day CS...............pumped out Mate, FDTL is maxing out & the ole brain is weary, need some serious Yoga, Sun & Salad :cool:
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[compressor stall]

So should I leave the red at home?! :)

[Vertical Freedom]

So should I leave the red at home?! :)


Crikey CS...I nearly fell off me Horse, Mate it's Beer o'clock when yer thirsty....red Wine o'clock is any-time :\

[Vertical Freedom]

Look out Moon, I'll Moon ya :rolleyes:

[Vertical Freedom]

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LeJetBox........Rockz :eek:

[gulliBell]

Surely that isn't a 206 at 19 grand and still climbing? After seeing that I'm reaching for my anxiety pills and donning my oxygen mask, and I'm at sea level!

The portable GPS doesn't send the mag compass a bit whacky?

[Vertical Freedom]

Surely that isn't a 206 at 19 grand and still climbing? After seeing that I'm reaching for my anxiety pills and donning my oxygen mask, and I'm at sea level!

The portable GPS doesn't send the mag compass a bit whacky?
G'day GB.......'tis indeedly a JetBanger & yep still climbing, inbound to Camp 1 for a film shoot with nose mounted camera :eek:
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Inversion....what inversion :ouch:

[gulliBell]

12 grand is my limit in a 206, and it's not a comfortable place to be. 12 grand is also my limit in a 212, and whilst the ride is even less comfortable than 206, I'd never swap the 2 donks for a more comfortable ride. You really need to be totally squared away at those altitudes and above, whatever the comfort level or number of donks. More-so than me.

[Same again]

Your 12,000' in a Bell206 was probably similar to mine - 12,000' above ground level. Mine was with 4 parachutists and the doors off. After they had jumped out the change of C of G plus the airflow through the cabin when I tried to descend made for a very uncomfortable and lonely descent which seemed to take forever. Never again :-)

[roybert]

12 grand is my limit in a 206, and it's not a comfortable place to be. 12 grand is also my limit in a 212, and whilst the ride is even less comfortable than 206, I'd never swap the 2 donks for a more comfortable ride. You really need to be totally squared away at those altitudes and above, whatever the comfort level or number of donks. More-so than me.

Hey VF

I'm with GulliBell on this one, over 12500 fixed wing and two engines minimum
Safe flying

Roybert

[roybert]

Your 12,000' in a Bell206 was probably similar to mine - 12,000' above ground level. Mine was with 4 parachutists and the doors off. After they had jumped out the change of C of G plus the airflow through the cabin when I tried to descend made for a very uncomfortable and lonely descent which seemed to take forever. Never again :-)

Same again
Having followed VF Thread for a while now I think he thrives at the higher altitudes. Get him down to sea level and he's an unhappy camper.

RoyBert

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

Lack of O2 makes everyone happy for a wee bit

[gulliBell]

....'tis indeedly a JetBanger & yep still climbing, inbound to Camp 1 for a film shoot with nose mounted camera


Way outside my pay grade to take on a job like that. I'd want to find a cloud to hide in so I couldn't see outside. Can I just stay home and eat crumpet for breakfast instead?

[Vertical Freedom]

12 grand is my limit in a 206, and it's not a comfortable place to be. 12 grand is also my limit in a 212, and whilst the ride is even less comfortable than 206, I'd never swap the 2 donks for a more comfortable ride. You really need to be totally squared away at those altitudes and above, whatever the comfort level or number of donks. More-so than me.

I hear ya Brother G.........................yip yer bang on again :O

[Vertical Freedom]

Your 12,000' in a Bell206 was probably similar to mine - 12,000' above ground level. Mine was with 4 parachutists and the doors off. After they had jumped out the change of C of G plus the airflow through the cabin when I tried to descend made for a very uncomfortable and lonely descent which seemed to take forever. Never again :-)

G'day Same Again.........yip Parachutists are never fun, especially with 2 blades spinning overhead. not to mention when they give a big push-off to launch :eek:
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[Vertical Freedom]

Hey there RoyBert .....my dream is roasting under a Hot Sun on Beach loaded with eye Kandy :ouch: Cold = no fun :8 Lack of o2 = abri abri abri whaz up Doc :*

[Vertical Freedom]

GB, the money is Peanuts but ya gotta do what You gotta do, to put a Red on the table.............................:bored:

[Vertical Freedom]

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Yip it's a Helicopter ;)

[gulliBell]

...the money is Peanuts.....

And I suppose peanuts 'aint enough to buy crumpet....so I'd better keep doing what I'm doing and leave the oxygen deprived tough stuff to VF.

[Old Farang]

#5333...……I that a "Yak Bar", or a place for eagles to hitch a ride on when they get tired up so high? :cool:#

[Vertical Freedom]

#5333...……I that a "Yak Bar", or a place for eagles to hitch a ride on when they get tired up so high? :cool:#

Hey there OF........& I thought a Yak Bar was a watering hole when Beer O'clock hits :=
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[Vertical Freedom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLrkMFFgzbw

Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then := Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom :eek:
How's Your Airmanship :ugh:

[Vertical Freedom]

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[krypton_john]

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Outstanding arrival, besides being waaaaaay too high & then := Pilot thought he had TR failure thanks to the wind effect, so he closed the throttle & forgot to pull pitch at the bottom :eek:
How's Your Airmanship :ugh:
It's just incomprehensible. Shouldn't have had to remember to pull collective any more than one needs to remember to put one foot in front of another when walking?

[gulliBell]

I'm struggling to decide who was more incompetent, that Chinese guy or the Nepalese guy who fell off the hospital roof top helipad. Both missing more than an ounce of the right stuff to be in command of a helicopter.

[Vertical Freedom]

It's just incomprehensible. Shouldn't have had to remember to pull collective any more than one needs to remember to put one foot in front of another when walking?

Hey KJ.........incomprehensible - NOT :{ If You've seen what I've seen, many a drivers with 600hrs even 1,000hrs still can't shoot an approach or put the machine down :ugh:

[Vertical Freedom]

I'm struggling to decide who was more incompetent, that Chinese guy or the Nepalese guy who fell off the hospital roof top helipad. Both missing more than an ounce of the right stuff to be in command of a helicopter.

G'day GB...........twins Mate, only their Mother can tell them apart :8 outa the same school :(

[Rotorbee]

I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.

[gulliBell]

If he/she/whoever had of done nothing then everything would have ended up OK and we wouldn't be looking at what was a perfectly good helicopter splattered on the ground for no reason.

[Vertical Freedom]

I don't know, but watching the last second before impact, I think the pilot pulled quite a bit collective ... at least what was left, because he fell from almost HOGE hight. The sound also shows, that the RPM was decaying quite fast. It might be possible, he didn't have much more power left to use to cushion the landing - err - impact.
That does not mean he did not screw up big time by judging winds and stuff wrong.
I had instructors who were very hot on tail rotor failure, but the whole tailwind thing, when the ends swap direction, I had to learn the hard way - nothing bend, just some cardiac training, loss of body fluid and need of deodorant - or a shower. I can imagine he had the same training.
I never had a tailrotorfailure, but I can only imagine, that the effect is much more sudden, than the wind related version, where you just gradually lose effectiveness. That can happen in a second but, you can feel the tailrotor still responding until you hit the stop and only then, things happen fast. At least that is my experience. May vary between pilots.

Hi Rotorbee.....Yes it could well be a possibility :O BUT, knowing the details behind this FU, there was nothing wrong with the TR, TR drive or the controls :ugh:
https://youtu.be/Mnyna7kA0FI

[Vertical Freedom]

If he/she/whoever had of done nothing then everything would have ended up OK and we wouldn't be looking at what was a perfectly good helicopter splattered on the ground for no reason.

G'day GulliBell....exactly Mate :eek:
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[Rotorbee]

Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.

[Vertical Freedom]

Hi VF, I never said it was at TR failure, I just said that they train like crazy for it. As soon it starts spinning they chop the throttle. Regardless what caused the trouble. And from that height, there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.
Hey Rotorbee....yep, valid point :ok: Why the hell would You arrive at such a huge H as high as this driver did..............................suicidal madness :ugh:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_7746_8aaef5184d0ae2450a08d76fcec580f634ad32e7.jpg

[gulliBell]

...there wasn't a lot of inertia left in the rotor at the bottom to prevent bending things.

Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.

[Vertical Freedom]

Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.

G'day GB......& I thought with the 212, You could fly another circuit after the kero burners blow out, she's got that much ooompph :=
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_5753_160cf03b47b6d1dbe12b8015f555181adca47d53.jpg

[gulliBell]

G'day GB......& I thought with the 212, You could fly another circuit after the kero burners blow out, she's got that much ooompph :=


Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.

[Vertical Freedom]

Well yeah, I could, and just about every other 212 pilot could. But in the hands of pilots who fall off hospital helipads, of fail to even arrive on a helipad under control in the first place, etc etc, not even ye ol' droll 212 can cut that much slack for a wayward pilot.

Hey GB.....I hear You Mate, not more accurate words have ever been spoken :eek:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_7527_c6411b1f0d500f36d333fffa7002346525f20529.jpg

[krypton_john]

Why you hanging a toilet bowl under your machine, VF?

[Ascend Charlie]

Not many public toilets in the mountains, ya gotta bring yer own.

Not much ground clearance on that one, either.

[Vertical Freedom]

Why you hanging a toilet bowl under your machine, VF?
Hey KJ....trying to launch a new marketing ploy; 'We fly Your Poo for You' :uhoh:
+++++++++
G'day AC.......exactly, no crap or pun intended :eek: clearance was teeny, like a Bee's weeny :=
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-p1110205_01fd03d6e2b2725f87bb11031d1682e480e48fd1.jpg

[Torquetalk]

Even in a 212, from that height, if you chop the power there 'aint gonna be much oomph left in those spinny things by the time you arrive at the bottom. Something is gonna break.

only way you‘re going to make it from that height is to lower the collective and pull again near the ground. That MIGHT have saved the aircraft from damage if timed right.

[Vertical Freedom]

only way you‘re going to make it from that height is to lower the collective and pull again near the ground. That MIGHT have saved the aircraft from damage if timed right.

Hey TT....could You imagine that clown applying that much brain power with that arrival???? sheeeeesh zero chance :ugh:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_4296202_a88068f0791d7fd06eef27beb509a0fa00995cc9.jpg
Red carpet for me :D

[Vertical Freedom]

I follow tracks :8
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-p1070443_99d3d076503844273538d5f6e94bd55742aa5915.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

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[Arrrj]

G'day VF,

Pic 5359...ok, I will guess...

Looks like a pic from another country, near where you are, but with active Royalty.

Correct ?

Arrrj

PS - I need one of those carpets...some of my pax are "special".

[Smalahove]

Sagarmatha... even in the best sunshiney weather, the peak is always windswept and obscured. Not a place for the timid. Or the sensible.

[SRFred]

I follow tracks :8
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-p1070443_99d3d076503844273538d5f6e94bd55742aa5915.jpg

Hey I think I walked that track a few years back.

[MJA Chaser]

Re 5361 and similar. Ever seen (or started) an avalanche. Would be spectacular and very scary to watch I reckon.

[Vertical Freedom]

G'day VF,

Pic 5359...ok, I will guess...

Looks like a pic from another country, near where you are, but with active Royalty.

Correct ?

Arrrj

PS - I need one of those carpets...some of my pax are "special".



Good morning Arrrj,,,,,sorry Mate, missed Your post there.........EXACTLY, yes Brother we ARE Special :ok:

[Vertical Freedom]

Sagarmatha... even in the best sunshiney weather, the peak is always windswept and obscured. Not a place for the timid. Or the sensible.

G'day Smalahove..........that's a rare - GOOD day, wind - always, need for sensibility - big balls & even bigger experience bag has it covered :O

[Vertical Freedom]

Re 5361 and similar. Ever seen (or started) an avalanche. Would be spectacular and very scary to watch I reckon.

Hi MJA.....seen a few yep, triggered - never! Every avalanche is bloody frightening :eek:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_9933_1_481ae25072c0a89c36e8d426129d32268b07900b.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-img_5929_2_193c7d9d2dcee546653de47050d081a543fc4879.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1080861_46978fdbf0278a2b51a7d4b933815c577e7d4aaa.jpg
Goin'.............................DOWN :eek:

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1110309_b98e7e0ca6624a685778f85f5884fd9a002f3a4a.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1110246_f269e0d98e77cc5d2d5e6e3b558fbc6fecafee1c.jpg

[krypton_john]

Jeezus George, #5372 looks like it was taken from a satellite!

[Vertical Freedom]

Jeezus George, #5372 looks like it was taken from a satellite!

G'day KJ.....nearly Mate, I was swinging off a Google-Loon :ooh:

[Smalahove]

G'day Smalahove..........that's a rare - GOOD day, wind - always, need for sensibility - big balls & even bigger experience bag has it covered :O

I think that covers it very nicely, VF. This is not a good place for student pilots to build hours.

What always strikes me is the way the peak of Everest can be CAVU within 500 meters, but near the rock you are in whiteout conditions. A challenging place to fly. Requires high performance machinery operating at red-line. Better you than me, matey. :)

[RotorBabe]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-p1020878_dd7c89d0c88081ae1f72b488ac1cb2d493b42d23.jpg
Pala's kitchen

Namaste Vertical Steven

Om mane padme hung

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-p1020878_dd7c89d0c88081ae1f72b488ac1cb2d493b42d23.jpg
Pala's kitchen

Namaste Vertical Steven

Om mane padme hung

Hey RB........hmmm looks like some delish foods come outa there :ok:

[Vertical Freedom]

I think that covers it very nicely, VF. This is not a good place for student pilots to build hours.

What always strikes me is the way the peak of Everest can be CAVU within 500 meters, but near the rock you are in whiteout conditions. A challenging place to fly. Requires high performance machinery operating at red-line. Better you than me, matey. :)

G'day Smalahove..............Yip it's serious in the Himalayas, just like any Mountains; Keep Your options open & keep an eye on them :ouch:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1070409_08201596dbd3c93fc6764b736ef434d987772ce3.jpg
near to Camp 2 Sagarmatha :*

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_8513_530d0880092794209a5dc87375a6207e9ef6cd0d.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x1024/2aa60c29_b57c_4cec_abf7_a1f2123b3308_1_86b1ceb92ac05e0c2a381 123c02572b4039274cb.jpg
F.F.F.F.F.Feneshtronie :ugh:

[havoc]

Any chance this was you, noted the tail over the edge? Always amazed with this thread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nepal-gurja-himal-mountain-climbers-dead-after-storm-2018-10-13/https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/10/13/b62266e7-92a6-4008-8a89-6d7f6755f6e0/thumbnail/620x350/a3d0cfa73057670ed5f9418c9c0a11c9/ap-18286486815197.jpg

[Bell_ringer]

VF could never admit being in a 407. They run out of puff at 500ft and are a terrible substitute for a flying rodent :}

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

500ft??

that must be the high performance model right?

[JBL99]

Namaste VF,

Your posts just continue to blow me away, they really are an amazing collection of photos from such an amazing looking place. Must visit it sometime before I die!

Keep up the great work!

JBL

[gulliBell]

Any chance this was you, noted the tail over the edge?

It wasn't VF, it was Capt Siddartha Gurung.

[gulliBell]

VF could never admit being in a 407...

Wanna bet :oh:

[Vertical Freedom]

Any chance this was you, noted the tail over the edge? Always amazed with this thread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nepal-gurja-himal-mountain-climbers-dead-after-storm-2018-10-13/https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/10/13/b62266e7-92a6-4008-8a89-6d7f6755f6e0/thumbnail/620x350/a3d0cfa73057670ed5f9418c9c0a11c9/ap-18286486815197.jpg


G'day Havoc.......Naaaar Mate not I :)

[Vertical Freedom]

VF could never admit being in a 407. They run out of puff at 500ft and are a terrible substitute for a flying rodent :}

Hey there BR..........that high? :E That's just a GXP, lots of pretty console distractions for VFR, but not much in the grunt department :uhoh:

[Vertical Freedom]

Namaste VF,

Your posts just continue to blow me away, they really are an amazing collection of photos from such an amazing looking place. Must visit it sometime before I die!

Keep up the great work!

JBL

Thank You JBL....most welcome :cool:

[Vertical Freedom]

It wasn't VF, it was Capt Siddartha Gurung.

G'day GB....that's correct Mate :) Will update You on the Eagle HP shortly :cool:

[krypton_john]

Hey there BR..........that high? :E That's just a GXP, lots of pretty console distractions for VFR, but not much in the grunt department :uhoh:

Compared to 206BIII, according to the books 407 has extra 230hp which I believe and only an extra 330lb (empty) which I find hard to believe... And also according to the books the 407 has an extra 5000' of service ceiling???

What are the pros and cons of 2 bladed system at high altitude?

[Saint Jack]

I'm also having a little difficulty understanding the statement "...but not much in the grunt department...' (#5382). It's hard to believe that a 407GXP doesn't do well in Nepal. Some sour grapes perhaps?

[Vertical Freedom]

Compared to 206BIII, according to the books 407 has extra 230hp which I believe and only an extra 330lb (empty) which I find hard to believe... And also according to the books the 407 has an extra 5000' of service ceiling???

What are the pros and cons of 2 bladed system at high altitude?

G'day KJ.........the difference between 2 to multi blades is mostly control responsiveness. But I reckon the bigger blades will give better lift performance at hot&high :}

[Vertical Freedom]

I'm also having a little difficulty understanding the statement "...but not much in the grunt department...' (#5382). It's hard to believe that a 407GXP doesn't do well in Nepal. Some sour grapes perhaps?

Good Morning SJ......Love my Sour Grapes, especially when injected into a 'Jacobs Creek' Grenache Shiraz :) The GXP above 10,000' lifts 2 punters + bags less than than a 125 :O the HP Eagle might be another story :p below 10,000' the GXP is faster from A to B :ok:

[Vertical Freedom]

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[MitchStick]

The GXP above 10,000' lifts 2 punters + bags less than than a 125

I don't think you know what you are talking about, clearly you haven't seen the GXP perform at high altitude.

Unless you work for Airbus, that can explain your statement..

[Vertical Freedom]

I don't think you know what you are talking about, clearly you haven't seen the GXP perform at high altitude.
Unless you work for Airbus, that can explain your statement..

G'day MS........frankly Mate I know diddlie squat :} I do have some affiliations & softspots with ScareBus, but my favourite FlingWings are still Bells :uhoh: the performance of the 407 in Nepal was informed to me by the test Pilot & Cpt YM.....I have not flown the 407 above 10,000', however certainly have pumped out a few hrs in them over 3 countries limited to ~ 9,000' landings :eek:

[MitchStick]

G'day MS........frankly Mate I know diddlie squat :} I do have some affiliations & softspots with ScareBus, but my favourite FlingWings are still Bells :uhoh: the performance of the 407 in Nepal was informed to me by the test Pilot & Cpt YM.....I have not flown the 407 above 10,000', however certainly have pumped out a few hrs in them over 3 countries limited to ~ 9,000' landings :eek:

The GXP works really well at high altitude, I wouldn't trade a 125 for a GXP purely for cabin configuration (and price), 407 is horrible, not versatile no flat floor, if bell would spend some time redesigning it like the 429 it would be much better, maybe they eventually will with the 505 just like they did with the 206..

[Vertical Freedom]

The GXP works really well at high altitude, I wouldn't trade a 125 for a GXP purely for cabin configuration (and price), 407 is horrible, not versatile no flat floor, if bell would spend some time redesigning it like the 429 it would be much better, maybe they eventually will with the 505 just like they did with the 206..

Hey MS....thanks for Your feedback! I'll be able to give my own opinion soon ;) So You reckon a GXP could land on Everest? :confused:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x1365/2d4354d2_c0cb_4056_a387_3e94d42a044a_3d890f7b46193717960d369 b8c23d43abb8ee5c7.jpg

[roybert]

Nice Parking job VF. Keep up the great posts.

Roybert

[MitchStick]

Hey MS....thanks for Your feedback! I'll be able to give my own opinion soon ;) So You reckon a GXP could land on Everest? :confused:


I think why not but I have no idea to be honest.

I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure ;)

[gulliBell]

Nice Parking job VF...


Really? I was going to say, 2 more inches to the left required :}
The real alignment test will come when he starts driving those squirellee 412's!

[krypton_john]

I'm very disappointed in the state of the lawn but.

[Vertical Freedom]

Nice Parking job VF. Keep up the great posts.

Roybert

G'day Roybert...................thank You Sir, there's always room for improvement ;)

[Vertical Freedom]

I think why not but I have no idea to be honest.

I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure ;)

Hey Mitch....personally my guess is I don't reckon she could, the HP; maybe??? :ooh:

[Vertical Freedom]

Really? I was going to say, 2 more inches to the left required :}
The real alignment test will come when he starts driving those squirellee 412's!

Namaste GB....................... Yaaar pretty average, there's room to be a whole lot more betterra :{ Yep, looking forward to that :}

[Vertical Freedom]

I'm very disappointed in the state of the lawn but.

Hey KJ........Yaaar not much grazing there, let alone picnicking :rolleyes:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/491b6d18_0e11_4b9c_8b53_ce93b011f637_bec379cf2215502f5189d24 a2f8be40ed3b26596.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

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[MitchStick]

Hey Mitch....personally my guess is I don't reckon she could, the HP; maybe??? :ooh:

I don't know, SHP are almost same with the H125 (they landed with a B3 on top) plus the 4 blades makes it more stable and manoeuvrable :confused: HP for sure has a better shot at it

[Vertical Freedom]

I don't know, SHP are almost same with the H125 (they landed with a B3 on top) plus the 4 blades makes it more stable and manoeuvrable :confused: HP for sure has a better shot at it

Morning Mitch......it's not just about the power? The 350 has 3 x LongBox blades where the 407 has 4 x R44 blades (equivalent sizing) :eek: in the rarefied atmosphere above 20,000' big corded blades give more bite, much more! :bored: Certainly more blades equals more stability with the greater control power, but I'm not sure how that'll help for a straight in approach to a pinnacle landing onto Sagarmatha @ 29,028' :8
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/9c11d14b_2770_406c_8c98_2c56a1f362c9_4195b19ef7fbae629a21f81 34ea251d1ea75273c.jpg

[gulliBell]

..in the rarefied atmosphere above 20,000' big corded blades give more bite, much more! ..


Game to try a 212 with big bitey blade thingees up that high VF? Give you are sporting chance with upgraded -DF burners in it. I volunteer to stay behind and look after crumpet whilst awaiting your findings! Needless to say, take your time, no hurry to get the big beautiful bird back to crumpetville base camp.

[Vertical Freedom]

Game to try a 212 with big bitey blade thingees up that high VF? Give you are sporting chance with upgraded -DF burners in it. I volunteer to stay behind and look after crumpet whilst awaiting your findings! Needless to say, take your time, no hurry to get the big beautiful bird back to crumpetville base camp.
Morning GB........would be an awesome gig, (for both of us) there's been a couple of Italian 205's land at Camp 2 @ 22,500' couple of decades back := Sounds like Your gig would be the more funner :rolleyes:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1010242_8e7cb8d59f6efd77402b7b895df6de544bd76025.jpg
Makalu base camp 16,931' JetBanger :eek:

[MitchStick]

Morning Mitch......it's not just about the power? The 350 has 3 x LongBox blades where the 407 has 4 x R44 blades (equivalent sizing) :eek: in the rarefied atmosphere above 20,000' big corded blades give more bite, much more! :bored: Certainly more blades equals more stability with the greater control power, but I'm not sure how that'll help for a straight in approach to a pinnacle landing onto Sagarmatha @ 29,028' :8


Personally I cannot say because I only fly the bus but pilots that fly both say it’s better that the 125 at high altitude.
Better performance with equal weight and conditions, tested in Simikot and Khumbu

[evil7]

I think the Bell must be better than the Airbus because there are so many more 407’s flying in VF’s environment than 350’s🧐😉

[Vertical Freedom]

Personally I cannot say because I only fly the bus but pilots that fly both say it’s better that the 125 at high altitude.
Better performance with equal weight and conditions, tested in Simikot and Khumbu


Well MS....that must be right then...Simikot is barely a sneeze compared to high camps & the Khumba is a massive area encompassing the highest few Mountains in the WORLD so that's a tad vague ole Mate :eek:

[Vertical Freedom]

I think the Bell must be better than the Airbus because there are so many more 407’s flying in VF’s environment than 350’s🧐😉

Exactly E7...'twas just what I too was thinking :)

[Vertical Freedom]

Anyone for quick climb then..... ;)https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_5068_340b547998f6b173bb5a3ab4660ef4ecd6f9d2af.jpg

[Bell_ringer]

Exactly E7...'twas just what I too was thinking :)

Haven't you heard the saying fools seldom differ? :E

[Vertical Freedom]

Haven't you heard the saying fools seldom differ? :E

Hey BR....Yaar the 4owsevins are like Seagulls in the Himalayas; flocking everywhere :ouch:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/768x1024/img_9952_22d14a58c3a7567191102dec4b3d80cc41820d52.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

Gimme Krumpets for breaking me fast :eek:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_0687_201_69999f1020392ce002c3a16dd0a189eba2c8dba8.jpg

[EMS R22]

Hey MS....thanks for Your feedback! I'll be able to give my own opinion soon ;) So You reckon a GXP could land on Everest? :confused:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x1365/2d4354d2_c0cb_4056_a387_3e94d42a044a_3d890f7b46193717960d369 b8c23d43abb8ee5c7.jpg


Not quiet in the middle but well done landing on the concrete.

[Vertical Freedom]

Not quiet in the middle but well done landing on the concrete.

G'day EMS R22 :eek: I know 'twas a bit untidy of me, I try & always do my Best; but that was it for that day :ooh: but we press on, may the struggle continue :}

Happy Happy :ok:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_9928_201_eb16379e6f41c25c2768f3c540afbfc16ae12d70.jpg

[GoodGrief]

So You reckon a GXP could land on Everest? :confused:


The GXP probably not but the EHP certainly.

[Bell_ringer]

The GXP probably not but the EHP certainly.

the GXi should manage

[Vertical Freedom]

The GXP probably not but the EHP certainly.

G'day Big H...............I think You've done a few too many CocaCola's today? Way too High on High Fructose Corn Sludge Mate :eek: How high have You pulled an EHP off to even make a wild & woolly guess towards that? := Maybe throw some Coke in the petrol tank (Rocket fuel) :ooh:
https://mic.com/articles/89333/what-the-ingredients-in-coca-cola-and-pepsi-actually-do-to-your-body

[Vertical Freedom]

the GXi should manage

G'day BR.................Virtually Yes it's all possible in the VR World :O
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_5740_201_0caa4ef48596a5bf1a58415a099eb7db2c86b119.jpg
Virtual Reality :ouch:

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1090373_216c50911d8657640723e3efac86c92e7d5482b4.jpg
Bullwinkle is Go....@ 19,900' in the summertime :}

[roybert]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/p1090373_216c50911d8657640723e3efac86c92e7d5482b4.jpg
Bullwinkle is Go....@ 19,900' in the summertime :}

Natasha

Where's Squirrel going now?

Boris

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_0677_363e826c4fab5a529f270e3597e8b66d0329dbc6.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_0696_a89b36c5cf3d2bc0a7f6815cf427e9d9d540a2ad.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

Kwaka......KH4 :E outstanding machine :E
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x527/img_8716_eb3131d5ae78de3ac334243d95de82c58b1aaa15.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

VNLK, Worlds most danggeruss airfield :eek:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x768/img_0497_88a14a394ba64dcc67d894e4bbfc5fd132295dd4.jpg

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x684/img_2113_201_c85a1fdc27341ef4f3473daef932d2399b0dfb61.jpg
Short Final...Advanced Camp 3 the Khumb Sagarmatha 24,500' :eek:

[Vertical Freedom]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x535/56353131_l_4690ee943ced7881b8921bcca06cd1c4aaac0899.jpg
Same decision making process........ :8

[Decredenza]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1504/e2wph2a_4b92ad238ab987862ffb4d2d09ddef0e04904d78.jpg

Annapurna Base Camp - 6 day trek or 30 minute flight. Who's the smart one?

[Decredenza]

Big Thank You (Dhan'yavāda) to VM for all his advice in getting me safely to (and back from) Annapurna Base Camp (ABC).

10 day trek - drinking litres of water, eating garlic soup and spicing up things with TIMBUR. No altitude sickness problems for me (4130 m). You da man!

Epic air pollution in the valleys but fresh air up high. Clouds start to form at 12:30 local time and by 2 in the afternoon everything is clouded out above 3500 m.

The most amazing thing I saw (besides the Yeti) was an R44 landing (and taking off) at ABC! I didn't know they live at 13,500' lol

Thanks again. Safe flights!

[Decredenza]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/0ki94an_7e2aabbfdaf627705d774bf3430e36cd298557e0.jpg

Nepal saving money on traffic cops....

[Ascend Charlie]

Love that Asian black spaghetti they have on the power poles...

[Vertical Freedom]

Annapurna Base Camp - 6 day trek or 30 minute flight. Who's the smart one?

Least Your damn fit now Mate! Lawn landings :8

[Fareastdriver]

It seems it is not necessary for wives to wear crash helmets.

[Vertical Freedom]

Big Thank You (Dhan'yavāda) to VM for all his advice in getting me safely to (and back from) Annapurna Base Camp (ABC).

10 day trek - drinking litres of water, eating garlic soup and spicing up things with TIMBUR. No altitude sickness problems for me (4130 m). You da man!

Epic air pollution in the valleys but fresh air up high. Clouds start to form at 12:30 local time and by 2 in the afternoon everything is clouded out above 3500 m.

The most amazing thing I saw (besides the Yeti) was an R44 landing (and taking off) at ABC! I didn't know they live at 13,500' lol

Thanks again. Safe flights!

Most welcome....happy You enjoyed! Yep there are folks (Sherpas) living as high as 18,000' :eek:

[Vertical Freedom]

Nepal saving money on traffic cops....

Yaaar it's a RoboCop.....AI yet to be installed :8

[SRFred]

You've been reset again! Only four posts, oh well!

[Skyborne Flyer]

Still great pictures Vertical, most impressive. I do wonder, since most post are (still) old pictures, could we have an update to your adventures, any chance you might ever move back to Nepal (I understand you left some time ago)? Cheers

[Vertical Freedom]

It seems it is not necessary for wives to wear crash helmets.

G'day Fareastdriver.........Nepali road rules only require the Rider to be wearin' a Bonedone, pillions not? :ouch: The Maoists repealed the law for PAX to be wearing as it increased crime....apparently :\

[Decredenza]

This needs the technician
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1500x2000/ebnveqb_8bc2bc951f7132a63018a80a99c969e69b2bfe7d.jpg

The other "wires" VM has to watch out for. Second longest suspension bridge in Nepal - 287 metres.

[RotorBabe]

Namaste Captain, long time? Please post soon, we miss you
Om Mane Padme Hung

[T18]

You beat me to it Rotorbabe, missing the wit and the photographs.
come back soon....
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all,
safe flying.
T18

[gulliBell]

He's still around, just operating in more oxygen intense atmospheres.

[Smalahove]

So he`s become an astronaut thenÉ

[Pali]

The best PPRuNe thread is retired now?

[compressor stall]

Namaste Mate... hey it's been a while since we got back, but we were overseas for another 5 weeks and didn't download the pics. Shame we missed you in KTM - Thanks to your missus' company for organising a truly amazing time - Fortunately due to the expert guide, we didn't need a medevac in the ~500km of trekking!

The kids are still on a high - The middle boy will always be able to say he turned 10 at Everest :)

What a place to fly!
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[Capt Fathom]

What has happened to VF?
His new job obviously prevents him from posting.
But in regards this wonderful thread, it would be nice to know one way or the other if it has come to an end ??

[Fareastdriver]

By his last post on 24th Nov he is labelled-

Vertical Freedom (https://www.pprune.org/members/286435-vertical-freedom)https://www.pprune.org/images/avatars/th_new.gif
Thread StarterJoin Date: Dec 2008
Location: Top of the World
Posts: 1

With only one post he cannot publish pictures so he has probably concluded that he is wasting his time.

[RotorBabe]

By his last post on 24th Nov he is labelled-

Vertical Freedom (https://www.pprune.org/members/286435-vertical-freedom)https://www.pprune.org/images/avatars/th_new.gif
Thread StarterJoin Date: Dec 2008
Location: Top of the World
Posts: 1

With only one post he cannot publish pictures so he has probably concluded that he is wasting his time.






Namaste, yes this is correct! Mr Steven has told me few days ago that he is blocked from posting as he posted pictures of family and food which is not helicopter related. He is happy to post and wants to but is blocked by this site.. It appears this rule applies only to him. I miss his pictures and humor.

Om mane padme hung

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

Rules are rules, but with such a popular thread, the moderators should realize they are low life pieces of **** with an axe to grind for no other purpose than being class A dickheads. Change the rule.

I want VF back, I lived vicariously thru him.

[roybert]

Rules are rules, but with such a popular thread, the moderators should realize they are low life pieces of **** with an axe to grind for no other purpose than being class A dickheads. Change the rule.

I want VF back, I lived vicariously thru him.

I'll Second that statement. VF is in an area that I will never make it too to see but am happy to see it thru his eyes. Although I do question some of his spicy food choices but then again all of us had cast iron stomachs at one time.

Roybert

[Bell_ringer]

If the occasional vegan post (no one is perfect) caused a problem, then just open a facebook page where those that appreciate it can view it.
Getting rid of content that generates traffic, and thus advertising revenue, isn't a great strategy, even if said traffic vaguely doesn't conform to the rules.
Pedantry has its place but is not always smart.

[nomorehelosforme]

Great post Gary, don't think it will stay up for long once the strong arm of the mods see it!!!

[Fareastdriver]

I used to, with many others, post on the Gaining An R.A.F Pilots Brevet In WW II (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/329990-gaining-r-f-pilots-brevet-ww-ii.html) thread in the military section. My posts bore NO relation to the Second World War and I would describe my flying in China and Australia. This was accepted by the mods because the readers were interested in it.

There must be a different class of mods.

[500e]

I used to, with many others, post on the Gaining An R.A.F Pilots Brevet In WW II (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/329990-gaining-r-f-pilots-brevet-ww-ii.html) thread in the military section. My posts bore NO relation to the Second World War and I would describe my flying in China and Australia. This was accepted by the mods because the readers were interested in it.

There must be a different class of mods.

Wondered where he had gone what a weird way to run a site, the most viewed thread by a well liked pilot who replied if asked a question, what a small mind some have

[magyarflyer]

so sorry to hear that VF has no rights to place his pictures, I always looked forward to his interesting stories and life
what a pity? whoever made the decision to do that should learn to appreciate the wisdom of VF entries
IMHO

a pity

[krypton_john]

Can we start a petition in this forum to get him back?

[Smalahove]

The Rotorheads forum only has one moderator, and he would be the guy who A) knows why they booted VF, and B) can bring him back.

https://www.pprune.org/members/194307-senior-pilot

[gulliBell]

....I suspect VF has moved on to bigger and better things and a greater calling. Half his luck, he deserves it.

[LAME2]

If correct, utter stupidity by the Mods.

[Smalahove]

If correct, utter stupidity by the Mods.I recall there were rumblings of discontent over his advocacy for veganism. He did get a little carried away with that. I will speculate that the moderator (singular) received some complaints and responded to them. When people complain, mods have a tendency to try to please the complainants, and sometimes make misguided decisions. But only Senior Pilot knows for sure.

It was a popular thread and is missed by many, including myself. But maybe they told him to knock it off with the vegan stuff, and maybe he told them to jam it where the sun doesn't shine. Who knows?

[Same again]

If this is the case then it is a sad reflection of our current society where the silent majority are overuled by the shrill, extremist minority. If they don't like something they want it banned. Why can they not simply choose to not read it? I liked reading about the life of a helicopter pilot in the Himalayas - not just the flying and helicopter photos. Hope all is well with you and your family VF.

[Bell_ringer]

I recall there were rumblings of discontent over his advocacy for veganism.

Much like cyclists and Millenials, vegans are a scourge of humanity, leading us to the edge of societal collapse and ruin and must be stopped at all costs.
Oh no, my bad, getting confused. They're a harmless bunch that like telling everyone how much quorn and quinoa taste just like chicken.
If you can't get through the day with this offending you or feeling a need to complain about it then it is possibly time for some counselling and some light self-medication.
Despite being a vegan, Steve has done well for himself and has brightened many a day with his commentary from far, far away.
We should be able to forgive his poor life choices and enjoy his valuable contribution, it's often far more interesting than following the RAF brigade trying to out experience each other.
:}

[flylow]

For the last many years I would visit this site almost daily for the sole purpose of viewing the new photos and related background information on this thread. I fly almost daily in the States, and will likely never make it to that part of the world in person, so it has been incredible to view from his camera. Yes, this whole "let's please the few minority complainers" both on and off the forum is way beyond ridiculous. No good reason for me to continue visiting pprune without this thread.

[T18]

What flylow said + 1

VF was interesting and entertaining whatever the post content was.

Sadly missed from my point of view.

T18

[nomorehelosforme]

Yes he will be missed as was Savoia who started many great threads that we all enjoyed. Sadly he also fell foul of the Mods and departed this forum.

[evil7]

@Bellringer - 👍

[Rolling-Thunderbird]

According to one of the PPRuNe Administrators, VF is free to post on any thread on the web-site;

Here is part of an email I received from them;

"He can post, he can post on the thread you are discussing, he can post on Rotorheads as much as he likes."

Well, I hope he keeps the thread going - one of the best out there !

[industry insider]

We should be able to forgive his poor life choices and enjoy his valuable contribution

His life choices looked pretty cool to me. :)

[pilotmike]

Many, many years ago, as a young, impressionable engineering student and boat fanatic, I was visiting the Earls Court Boat Show (biggest, best boat show of the biggest best, fastest and most expensive boats, in London, for those not familiar with it.), with a university friend.

We saw a gorgeous-looking power boat, in bright red, with 2 big shiny stainless steel propellors, a glossy varnished wooden deck, and a notice telling all about the twin 1,000+ BHP engines 'under the hatch'. There was a young salesman standing by the boat, and a few onlookers. We asked the salesman if we could look at the engines, and he said "no", the boat was beautiful enough as it was. He then said he was going off for a cup of tea and would be back in 5 minutes.

My friend and I immediately opened the hatch to reveal the most wonderful looking engines, with red HT leads, and highly polished exhausts. Very quickly, a crowd gathered round, and all we heard was endless comments about how beautiful those engines looked. There were loads of people all crowding round to get a glimpse of those engines.

After 10 minutes or so, the young salesman re-appeared, fighting his way to the front through the crown of potential customers gathered around the boat. Somewhat put out, he quickly shut the hatch, and reprimanded us for opening it. Almost immediately, the crowd dispersed, and it was just the 2 of us left, penniless students, feeling rather sheepish at being scolded by this chap no older than our 20 modest years. My mate, who was bolder than me, turned to him, and said "Top job, mate, you really know how to sell boats, don't you?"

And so we walked off, the last 2 onlookers, leaving the salesman to his beautiful boat and an empty stand. Who knows how many multi-millionaire potential customers he just turned away; no one will ever know.

Well done, PPRuNe - you've just done exactly the same as that rookie boat salesman.

[T18]

Pilot Mike


OUCH!

Very nicely put.....

T18

[A681001]

I miss my daily bit of escapism , all the posts and pictures where interesting and I learned a lot about high altitude operations

[timprice]

Nothing surprises me anymore, I thought the moderator would delete or edit unwanted material, not cut the guy off, really interesting pictures from a gentleman with a vast amount of experience we could all learn from.
Who cares if he is a vegan! does not make him a bad chap, everybody is entitled to his or her's opinion besides this is a rumour network after all:ugh:

[Fareastdriver]

I don't think VF has been banned. He would have had a 'Banned' label across his name. Maybe he has his own reasons for stopping; it's not our job to find out why.

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

if the Mods kept warning me, or deleting my pictures with a thin rule to justify it, I too would flip the bird and leave just out of spite.

I would hope he sees the support from the people here and comes back, he will be welcomed by the vast majority, save for a net nanny moderator

[blackdog7]

"Who cares if he is a vegan! does not make him a bad chap, everybody is entitled to his or her's opinion besides this is a rumour network after all."

Being a Vegan makes VF far more ethical than most others on this site. If you think that killing and dismembering a sentient being, eating its body or drinking it's milk which is solely intended for it's offspring is normal, you are pretty mixed up. Next time try some dog milk in your tea.

Wrong form of moderation. What a shame. Take care VF.

[DOUBLE BOGEY]

"Dog Milk" now there's an idea to make my Cocker pay its own way!!!
I love Vegans. It leaves more steak and chicken wings for the rest of us.

[T18]

Checks forum - sighs, nothing from VF.
Not even a motor bike, scantily clad lady or or other appetising dishes.

Oh or helicopter!

T18

[gulliBell]

Some of us know where he is, and why he's not here. I hope he'll come back, but doubt he will, for good reason.

[Saint Jack]

And the mystery deepens.........

[RotorBabe]

Namaste followers of top of the world. Mr Steven vertical has just now contacted me and said he really appreciates everyone's support. He is trying to post but is still blocked from posting pictures. Very disappointing and childish behavior from the management of this forum. This is my favorite visit for amazing views of my country and interesting posts my Mr Vertical.
Om Mane Padme Hung

[belly tank]

To echo Rotorbabe and others,

I also spoke to VF a few days ago. Considering its one of if not the highest viewed threads Pprune and the time he has put into sharing his life and adventures in Nepal for all to enjoy, he is extremely disappointed and cannot understand why he is being targeted. C'mon management lighten up.

[dash34]

This thread is bigger than just PPRUNE. I direct people here when they ask what Nepal is like. If anyone asks what the best forum on the internet is, I show them this one. The mods need to give their collective heads a shake. So, please add my name to those who want to see VF's photo-posting ability re-instated. There are, after all, helicopter pictures here.

I am a glider pilot/instructor but I really appreciate the insight into the world of a professional helicopter pilot that this thread has provided, not to mention nostalgia for past fantastic trips to Nepal!

[Rotorbee]

Dear mods,
I think, if a helicopter pilot posts pictures of his daily life on his job, including yoga, food and a lot of cool helicopter shoots, it is still about a helicopter pilots life. What happens if for some reason, we are going to talk about the prefect food to get through a day of flying? With pictures and recipes? Are we going to be blocked, just we share knowledge and opinions between rotorheads that are not directly related to flying? PPruNe is a place where we hang out because we know find people here, who understand, what it is about. But the life of a pilot isn't about flying all the time. VF has posted by far enough helicopter pictures, stories and know how. There is no need for another tail rotor hanging out over a cliff just to satisfy the forum rules. We got that and it is a good idea.
I really do appreciate the pictures from ground level. All the places we have seen through VF's lenses, that only a few other people will ever have the chance to see and almost all these pictures are somehow related to helicopters. He is a rotorhead after all.
His pictures and posts paint a much better image, than all the glossy magazines together.
I really would appreciate, that this unique thread comes back to life.

[cattletruck]

I've always found VF's posts to be in the main quite positive (even the Robbie bashing :E), I'm even guilty of downloading some of his incredible photos too. Thanks mate!!!!

However, the innocent freedoms provided by a digital world also facilitate litigious avenues for the unscrupulous, and perhaps there is something more sinister brewing at a commercial level that doesn't allow discussion.

Occasionally I've been a bit reckless and perhaps a bit too emotional with some of my posts. I've had posts, threads and even my account deleted here, but I just took a step back, accepted that the site is not mine, and that these kinds of issues tend to sort themselves out eventually.

I'm sure VF will be back if he doesn't take it too personally for not given a reason for being sent to the sin-bin. Until then, to paraphrase the man himself - always keep it sunny side up. :ok:

[DOUBLE BOGEY]

Its very difficult to believe that VF has been restricted because of pictures of food and rotor babes. It just does not make any sense. I also think this has been the best thread on the forum for years now and must have brought in an awful lot of advertising views along the way.
Its also very strange that MODs have not posted here for some clarity.
Brexit, Moon Landings and now this. The world has gone mad again!

[aa777888]

I suspect this all started when the mods deleted his photos of his seminar and the accompanying scary crash photos. I seem to remember this resulted in a major philosophical difference between VF and the mod's.

[nomorehelosforme]

As more posts of support continue to come in for Steve(VF) has anybody contacted Senior Pilot for comment or clarification of the situation?

As has been mentioned in a few posts... advertising revenue for the site is driven by SEO(Search Engine Optimization)

VF’s thread must top revenue to the site... and as previously asked by others why no comments from Senior Pilot?

[gulliBell]

Senior Pilot (moderator) has no input to his forum post count status etc...as I understand it the difficulties are at a higher level (Admin). To get any of his photos posted here VF must PM them to moderator who will then put them up. Or if VF posts a link to a photo it automatically gets bumped to a queue for moderator scrutiny before it will appear to everybody else. Which to my way of thinking is poor spirit considering his contributions here over many years and thus he might be inclined to venture to other places to enjoy other pursuits. No-one would blame him for that. Enjoy the humidity and cold Bintang VF.

(At present VF can't post, or send/receive PM's)

[oleary]

I am deeply disappointed that PPrune has decided to end Steve's contributions to our world.

I spent a lifetime in this industry with 22K+ hours over 54 years - single, mountain, multi, IFR, offshore, night Arctic, night Arctic slinging.

Vertical Flight was my favourite site.

With respect, please include me in those who would lobby for Steve's return.

[heli kiwi]

Bugger, I too have enjoyed his posts. Add my name as well.
Brett