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Old 24th Oct 2023, 16:17
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
I don't believe transit pax are included, only those dis/embarking through the terminal. So it should just be the 2 LAX originating pax who disembarked at EDI recorded, which they were, and nothing added to DOH figures.

Out of interest, what CAA resource is it you are using to display total rotations on a route for the month?

Wouldn't say 84% is the end of the world, UA only loaded the B764 onto the route for August at the end of May, so not very much time at all to fill the additional capacity. That said, the monthly average doesn't tell the whole story, as from what I saw, generally it's the early/mid week flights that were running a bit lighter on B75W, and the B764 was justified on the busier weekend runs.
Afternoon GoEDI

If that link doesn't work (it doesn't look quite right) just copy and paste into your browser. It should open up in the year page and click on the one you want to display the individual months. Note I don't cross check many of these with FR24 but I have not found any errors.

I am using an Apple Mac and neither the PDF or CSV option open perfectly, the former is probably something to with my settings as only a tenth of the page is displayed but it allows me to scroll down to view all and the CSV has to be copied and pasted into numbers or sheets and tidied up but I am using Safari.

https://www.caa.co.uk/data-and-analy...ty-statistics/

Im sure there will be a definitive answer to transits somewhere but like you I was under the impression they only counted if they got off but I am not so sure now with my local (BHX) seemingly showing diverted pax in the individual routes where I am sure some were fuel n go but I can't be sure.

Quoting planespotters.net again the new United A21N is showing 20/180 config which I assume is "domestic" and would I be correct in thinking that there isn't any imminent plans to send them across the Atlantic.

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Old 25th Oct 2023, 06:01
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JetBlue daily to JFK:

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71f...blin-edinburgh
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 07:43
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 08:30
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Yeah gotta say thatís a good one as folks were adamant that JetBlue would end up at GLA. I think this just reinforces that EDI is the much stronger market or proposition these days.

Great news!
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.
Whatís the start date of the route?
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 08:59
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
Whatís the start date of the route?
Reported to be 24th August 2024.
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 09:02
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
Good news indeed unless it leads to Delta re-evaluating there JFK route offering.

Report suggests the std A321Neo will be used as opposed to the LR version.
I am sure I read something with regards to these frames types when rostered in for the JetBlue Gatwick routes.
Apart from less Mint seats and more Y class; I also donít believe the A321Neo can serve hot food. Not sure if any other differences. Can anyone confirm or clarify?
On a positive I very recently flew JetBlue internal in the US and it was a very good Economy offering.




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Old 25th Oct 2023, 09:17
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
Good news indeed unless it leads to Delta re-evaluating there JFK route offering.

Report suggests the std A321Neo will be used as opposed to the LR version.
I am sure I read something with regards to these frames types when rostered in for the JetBlue Gatwick routes.
Apart from less Mint seats and more Y class; I also donít believe the A321Neo can serve hot food. Not sure if any other differences. Can anyone confirm or clarify?
On a positive I very recently flew JetBlue internal in the US and it was a very good Economy offering.
If confirmed, it will be interesting to find out if route is year-round or seasonal. There has a been a huge tit for tat goings on with the US carriers lately. Sun Country announced expansion. Minutes later Delta reacted. American announced expansion of international routes. Minutes later Delta reacted. I wonder if they will do the same here. I certainly donít see them going double daily to JFK. Swap out 763 for an A333? Approx 67 more seats per flight. Letís just wait for the official confirmation from JetBlue.
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.
Jet Blue serve almost 50 US Cities from JFK, and this will be a full interline service, so the target market is not just seats destined for JFK only.

For examplae.only an extra £70 quid to connect to MiA from LGW,



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Originally Posted by tictack67
Jet Blue serve almost 50 US Cities from JFK, and this will be a full interline service, so the target market is not just seats destined for JFK only.
Absolutely, take on board what youíre saying. Donít disagree either. The reported launch by Jetblue is direct competition for Delta. JFK is a hub for both airlines. Would be interesting to find out the number of transfer pax currently using Delta via JFK. It surely wouldnít be a surprise to see DL react in some way? They have scaled back operations to/from EDI in W23. Will we see a full year-round service from them in 2024? Will the lack of lounge access for premium pax work against JetBlue? All very interesting.
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https://x.com/edi_airport/status/171...s3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
https://x.com/edi_airport/status/171...s3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.
Flights on sale now. Prices start from £131 one way in economy. Promotional business fare from £629 one way, which is very competitive. Blows DL and UA out of the water for a premium seat.

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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
Yeah gotta say thatís a good one as folks were adamant that JetBlue would end up at GLA. I think this just reinforces that EDI is the much stronger market or proposition these days.

Great news!
Agreed. I thought JetBlue would target GLA as well. I was reading some responses on another aviation forum, some of the users are not taking the news that EDI has been selected over GLA very well.

I wonder if UA and DL will respond to this competition.
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
https://x.com/edi_airport/status/171...s3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.
Just a seasonal peak season service to with makes sense to test the market.
Time will tell if it holds up and has the potential to go year round.

Having just been through there very busy JFK terminal they sure do have a huge potential in terms of connections.

Looks a good onboard product compared to United and Delta.
Just hope this does not come at the expense of loosing routes with them.
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Agreed. I thought JetBlue would target GLA as well. I was reading some responses on another aviation forum, some of the users are not taking the news that EDI has been selected over GLA very well.

I wonder if UA and DL will respond to this competition.
That forum is nothing but a glorified fanzine who see EDI as like a football rival. And I say that as someone living in the West.

JetBlue is an excellent product. Only squeeze I could see potentially at EDI is Virgin to Orlando as it's a bit of a different clientele to the mainline stuff as otherwise the numbers hold up well.
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They do have a nice modern product, a very "New York" attitude as you'd expect. I suspect the chances of American returning are even lower now. That said, jetBlue will be showcasing the future of Delta/United at EDI with the A321NX.
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When JetBlue flights were put on sale earlier today, I looked at round trip EDI-JFK leaving Saturday 1st June returning Saturday 8th June 2024. Economy with checked bag included. £513.80 was the price. As of a few minutes ago, price has gone up to £928.61. Delta on same dates a whopping £1,588. United into Newark - £862. Some wild variation of prices.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
They do have a nice modern product, a very "New York" attitude as you'd expect. I suspect the chances of American returning are even lower now. That said, jetBlue will be showcasing the future of Delta/United at EDI with the A321NX.
I don't think AA can be ruled out given EDI's strength in the transatlantic market these days. Time will tell.

DL currently have no intention to fly narrow bodies transatlantic any time soon. They don't even have LR/XLR on order and the Neos are to replace B752s domestically. Their future direction appears to be A339/A350. Where that leaves EDI as a destination once the B763's time is up remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by GoEDI
I don't think AA can be ruled out given EDI's strength in the transatlantic market these days. Time will tell.

DL currently have no intention to fly narrow bodies transatlantic any time soon. They don't even have LR/XLR on order and the Neos are to replace B752s domestically. Their future direction appears to be A339/A350. Where that leaves EDI as a destination once the B763's time is up remains to be seen.
DL are flying narrowbodies to Reykjavik and the new route to Shannon will be with a 757.
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Unfortunately itís not the case itís just how Ryanair manipulate figures
We all see it as 2 flights a week but Ryanair say itís 4 because they include the out and inbound services as 2 flights
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