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Old 6th Apr 2022, 18:35
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Seeing Luton is full of business jets again I would surmise slots are not a great issue compared to 2016-19
Shh! Departures after midnight for Footie fans.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 19:05
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However I imagine the Inquiry is related to due process!
Maybe the Council needs to ask for their money back after employing a QC?
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 20:46
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Originally Posted by LTNman
72% is around the average for all flights and airlines.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/busines...levels-3643332
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Councillor Simmons, who chairs the executive, presented a report setting out Luton Rising's objectives for this financial year and beyond.
Interesting set of quotes. Folk can watch the Council meeting here
but you won’t hear a single reference about the airport, as the Council once again went into secret session and the cameras were switched off. Owned by the people yet the Council is frightened of the truth coming out. Maybe the Town Hall should be renamed the Kremlin?
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 21:21
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London Luton Airport: Government to hold inquiry into growth plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-61017175

Not looking good
The Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC) has cited concerns over climate change targets and policies for enhancing the natural environment among its reasons.
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 21:43
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While Luton Rising Temperature claims to be committed to having a net zero airport by 2040, this application put in by its other half, has totally ignored rising aircraft pollution and increasing noise limits in the future, which is also the same for the 32m application. The other reason given for calling a Public Inquiry was the airports policies for enhancing the natural environment.

As part of the separate 32m application, which this inquiry will ignore, is that the Council plans to destroy 100% of a major county wildlife site and a public park. That might not bother many here but for locals it is a major concern.

Worth watching this 2 minute video to see what will be lost for those that might care.


https://stoplae.org/wp-content/uploa...r-HD-SLAE-.mp4

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Old 7th Apr 2022, 06:22
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It took the government 11 months to call-in the Leeds Bradford application while taking around 11 weeks to call-in the Luton application to add just a million passengers. Clearly they have seen something they donít like. Could it be that the DCO process was being undermined by I assume a Labour council?
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I have been told that the Dart now won’t open to the public until the autumn so missing the entire summer season. A project with many problems seeing construction is now entering its 5th year.
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Grrr

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I have been told that the Dart now wonít open to the public until the autumn so missing the entire summer season. A project with many problems seeing construction is now entering its 5th year.

Now the rumour I heard was once it opened, the debt would be transferred. Not too sure where, but more 'visible' was the inference allegedly. Regardless, this farce should become wider public knowledge, especially to the Council Tax payers of Luton paying an astronomical cost for this folly!

Don't worry, those people in Yorkshire will have a plan to stop the pack of cards uncontrollably tumble

Sadly, with the debt pile incurred chasing a Gatwick dream, the sale of the airport moves ever closer.......

What was once a brilliant income generator for the town's residents, has become a financial black hole.
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Old 7th Apr 2022, 11:55
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The plan to put in a small application for an extra million passengers thinking it was small enough not to invite government scrutiny has backfired spectacularly. For the same cost of a Public Inquiry they should have put in a larger application making it worth while.
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It was always going to end up at Inquiry so better to minimise costs at the outset. The fact itís a Labour council is helpful for the Government and local Conservative associations because it gives a punch bag.

Ultimately it will be approved but in the meantime it gives the likes of Bim Afolami the chance to say theyíre fighting for residents.
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I would not say it was inevitable, as it has never happed before. Maybe the government has finally noticed that the Council cannot be considered impartial when it come to planning decisions involving its own airport. How could the planning committee be impartial and independent when it was Council policy to expand the airport and every voting director of the airport was a councillor?

Whether this is approved or not is irrelevant, as it is all about public scrutiny of a Council decision I consider dodgy due to a conflict of interest.
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Thumbs up

A welcome and long overdue development in this long running saga. If at the very least it shines a bright light on the airport related goings on at LBC over the last few years, it will be worth it!
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear

Don't worry, those people in Yorkshire will have a plan to stop the pack of cards uncontrollably tumble
The good folk at LBA are pressing ahead anyway with upgrade to existing terminal and with only 15% runway utilisation have the capacity to do so.

Still don't understand why the six pack is not being pushed ahead with, if nothing else it would free up overnight parking for BBJ, Global & Gulfstreams rather than using Taxiway Deicing stands!
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I would not say it was inevitable, as it has never happed before.
Perhaps not at LTN in the past but I believe all the expansion-related applications of the last few years have either been called-in or subjected to legal challenge.
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Still don't understand why the six pack is not being pushed ahead with, if nothing else it would free up overnight parking for BBJ, Global & Gulfstreams rather than using Taxiway Deicing stands!
This is permitted development and doesn’t require any planning permission but Covid has got in the way, as LLAOL put in a spending embargo, which also stopped the last extension to the taxiway for runway 25 being built.

Luton Rising Temperature has agreed for £45m of concession fees, that were to pay for public services, to be kept by the airport operator over a 3 year period, so maybe this is a backdoor method to fund development work including a new apron?

It was once the case that, as part of the concession agreement to operate the airport, all infrastructure projects and risks were funded by the airport operator but that is no longer the case, as the Dart shows. Concession agreements are all well and good until the end of the concession is in sight when investments made are just handed back over to the landlord. As each year passes 2032 is getting closer so the opportunity to earn money from any investment decreases. Has LLAOL run out of time leaving LRT to pick up the bill?
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Mini Manchester?

https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/pe...ndemic-3645729

"It was horrendous,” the London hairdresser said. “I’ve not been to Luton airport before and I don’t want to go again.”
She said there were not enough staff on to check everyone’s bags. “You could see the panic starting to build,” she said. “It was horrible.”
The lady refers to the baggage handling area but I think she is taking about security as well as check-in
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1 hour 40 mins before departure on what is the busy time of day for departures - customer fault, end of!
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/passenger-info
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1 hour 40 mins before departure on what is the busy time of day for departures - customer fault, end of!
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/passenger-info
1:40 should really be enough regardless of how busy it is. We only know and say itís not enough because weíve come to accept such poor standards.

In fairness to the customer we also donít know if the 1:40 was their fault. They could have got caught out by traffic, bus delays etc. Iíve not used LTN since arriving -3 hours before and ending up in the terminal -1.5 before and still only scraping on.
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Does Luton's main departures lounge area have the capacity to hold all pax if they arrive at the airport 3 hours beforehand ? At busy times, that's a lot of people with the potential for significant overcrowding...
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