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Old 28th Mar 2022, 07:30
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That’s because all aircraft have to backtrack.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 12:54
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A Luxair Diversion from LCY added to traffic ( sorry SEN ) but I don't think this was a significant cause for extra traffic, gearing up of Summer schedules.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 13:42
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Originally Posted by pabely
A Luxair Diversion from LCY added to traffic ( sorry SEN ) but I don't think this was a significant cause for extra traffic, gearing up of Summer schedules.
SEN is still closed for pax but in any case I don’t believe Luxair routinely used it.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 18:49
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
The summer slot report has now been published.
Very little of interest. The established airlines continue to dominate slots.
Blue Air increases but only serves OTP and BCM.
Vueling return on AMS only.
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Vueling better hurry up, EZY up to x6 daily already to AMS and looking at some of the prices being asked for bookings must be quite full.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 19:15
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Originally Posted by pabely
Vueling better hurry up, EZY up to x6 daily already to AMS and looking at some of the prices being asked for bookings must be quite full.
Seems that the Vueling slots have been acquired by Wizz.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 19:35
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Oh yes, 28 slots / week. Who said they would decamp to LGW?
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 22:02
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Grrr

Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I notice the new holding pattern for Luton is being well patronised this morning, not weather related just rather a lot of traffic.Back to the good old days?

Don't tell Greta about the increased track mileage.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 22:04
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Wizz UK took a lot of the ex Monarch slots, and some incremental capacity has been added since then. I'm sure Jet2 would've been exploring the potential Monarch opportunity, even in the few years prior to their demise. There are other capacity constraints besides overnight stands, though one thing about the Jet2 model is they are quite a drain on overnight parking (they only pump through about the same volume of summer traffic through STN with 14 based aircraft as EZY did with 7, plus a few non-based flights). Not suggesting that LTN didn't want Jet2, but they wouldn't have delivered the passenger volume the EZY and Wizz growth especially has done - at least before the pandemic. Like it or not, that's what really counts.
Spend in the Terminal etc considered to be considerably greater by Jet2 demographic.
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Old 28th Mar 2022, 22:06
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We have been told that there is no planned opening date for the Dart as there is still months of work required. It is looking like the peak summer season will be missed.
Nothing to do with the transfer of the debt from one town hall 'company' to another is it......... A completed and signed off DART would have significant financial impact allegedly.
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Old 29th Mar 2022, 19:27
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Originally Posted by pabely
Oh yes, 28 slots / week. Who said they would decamp to LGW?
Might not decamp but Wizz is licking its lips regarding Gatwick. With the hope of 50 UK based aircraft even if Luton gets permission to expand Luton will be capped at 21.5m by the time they all arrive.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...ased-aircraft/
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 11:51
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If Michael Gove does not interfere until LTN reaches 21.5m then this will still require 8-9 more overnight stands then you have runway capacity issues anyhow.
If it is not WUK cashing in it will be RYR & EZY.

Have you seen the prices on the EZY double daily TLV services! Must see more capacity introduced soon.
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 12:07
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I expect demand to all destinations will fall back next year when the pent up demand ends.
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 12:18
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Originally Posted by pabely
Have you seen the prices on the EZY double daily TLV services! Must see more capacity introduced soon.
Given the prices on LTN-TLV, I wonder if an airline might want to try Eilat in southern Israel as a winter sun route. Granted it may cannibalise Easyjet's Gatwick-Aqaba route a bit, but the cost of an entry visa to Jordan (free of charge only with very specific conditions) plus all the cost and general hassle involved in crossing the Israel-Jordan border will likely segment the market and may make a Luton-Eilat route 2x weekly worthwhile. I seem to recall there was something in the past about a Govt subsidy to airlines per international air passenger - not sure if that scheme still exists
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 13:44
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Given the prices on LTN-TLV, I wonder if an airline might want to try Eilat in southern Israel as a winter sun route. Granted it may cannibalise Easyjet's Gatwick-Aqaba route a bit, but the cost of an entry visa to Jordan (free of charge only with very specific conditions) plus all the cost and general hassle involved in crossing the Israel-Jordan border will likely segment the market and may make a Luton-Eilat route 2x weekly worthwhile. I seem to recall there was something in the past about a Govt subsidy to airlines per international air passenger - not sure if that scheme still exists
Didn't Monarch try Eilat for a winter season before they went?
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 14:16
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Originally Posted by toledoashley
Didn't Monarch try Eilat for a winter season before they went?
They did. I think Wizz stepped in on the route after Monarch's demise but I'm not sure how long it lasted.

Haven't Arkia also had a go at it in recent years?
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 14:27
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After Monarch closed, I don't think anybody tried Luton (or any London airport) to Eilat. Arkia and Wizz focussed on London-Tel Aviv. There's a new, shiny, and rather underused airport now in Eilat which opened in Jan 2019

Could be wrong on this... happy to be corrected.
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Old 30th Mar 2022, 14:46
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I wouldn't suggest that Wizz are licking these lips regarding Gatwick with slots now becoming increasingly difficult to obtain with easy having nearly 80 based aircraft and BA Euroflyer up and running. The airport wants more long haul to expand the destinations available. Nouvelair have announced there are returning this summer.
Also Wizz are not particularly well known in Kent, Surrey and Sussex apart from the East Europeans. I have seen very little advertising also but I wish them all the best to get a slice of the action.
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 06:09
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I wouldn't suggest that Wizz are licking these lips regarding Gatwick with slots now becoming increasingly difficult to obtain with easy having nearly 80 based aircraft and BA Euroflyer up and running. The airport wants more long haul to expand the destinations available. Nouvelair have announced there are returning this summer.
Also Wizz are not particularly well known in Kent, Surrey and Sussex apart from the East Europeans. I have seen very little advertising also but I wish them all the best to get a slice of the action.
Wizz seems to have a ‘build it and they will come’ mentality. Big marketing stunts (apart from announcing loads of services and then cancelling them shortly afterwards), are not their sort of thing - you just have to see what JetBlue are doing, getting their name everywhere at the moment and and thats only on a couple of flights!
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 06:15
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I expect demand to all destinations will fall back next year when the pent up demand ends.
Based on what exactly? Why would it not go back to pre-Covid levels? We’re still not back to that anyway even in 2022.
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
Based on what exactly? Why would it not go back to pre-Covid levels? We’re still not back to that anyway even in 2022.
Smell the coffee

Living standards in Britain are expected to fall at the fastest annual rate since the mid-1950s and will take until at least 2024 to return to pre-Covid levels, according to the government’s independent economic forecaster.
Don't read the full article if you don't want to be depressed but I would suggest, as already mentioned here a while ago, that the first hit will be holidays when disposable income takes a hit. In Spain inflation has already past 9% and wages are not keeping up. Add to that aircraft fuel and services. At Luton the days of red diesel has now come to an end on the apron.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rds-fall-sunak

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