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Old 26th Mar 2022, 08:46
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What are the fleet numbers for Jet2 at BHX and Stansted?

If you look at Luton since 2015/16 - when the Jet2 Stansted base was announced - I think they could have quite easily accommodated Jet2. Look at the growth Wizz Air have made in that time with the addition of a dozen or so Luton based aircraft.

I think there are plenty of reasons why they ultimately didn't choose Luton but I'm not sure capacity reasons were it.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 09:33
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Remember we are talking about 2015 here, Thomson & First Choice HO consolidation along with local jobs and business rates to LBC, Monarch were still around and a big employer and wouldn't like some upstart moving into their patch when they were bleeding money themselves.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 09:40
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If Luton had accommodated Jet2 then Wizz, Ryanair or Easyjet would have a smaller operation at Luton today.

Jet2 saw the light and concluded that Luton had all of the appeal of a turd in a swimming pool.

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Old 26th Mar 2022, 09:41
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If Luton adds over 10m pax capacity by 2030, Jet2 may have a change of mind about Luton
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 09:59
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Except that is not going to happen, as work on phase 2 doesn’t start until the next concession kicks in, in 2032 and that assumes expansion gets permission.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 10:03
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If you look at Luton since 2015/16 - when the Jet2 Stansted base was announced - I think they could have quite easily accommodated Jet2. Look at the growth Wizz Air have made in that time with the addition of a dozen or so Luton based aircraft.

I think there are plenty of reasons why they ultimately didn't choose Luton but I'm not sure capacity reasons were it.
Wizz UK took a lot of the ex Monarch slots, and some incremental capacity has been added since then. I'm sure Jet2 would've been exploring the potential Monarch opportunity, even in the few years prior to their demise. There are other capacity constraints besides overnight stands, though one thing about the Jet2 model is they are quite a drain on overnight parking (they only pump through about the same volume of summer traffic through STN with 14 based aircraft as EZY did with 7, plus a few non-based flights). Not suggesting that LTN didn't want Jet2, but they wouldn't have delivered the passenger volume the EZY and Wizz growth especially has done - at least before the pandemic. Like it or not, that's what really counts.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 10:53
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Not suggesting that LTN didn't want Jet2, but they wouldn't have delivered the passenger volume the EZY and Wizz growth especially has done - at least before the pandemic. Like it or not, that's what really counts.
Very true!
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
What has MAG got to do with a Leeds based commercial airline?
If you don’t see this it demonstrates you don’t know what you’re talking about
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 18:56
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From Monday El Al are x5 week with some big prices so loads must be good.
As passover approaches later in the month I wouldn't be surprised to see some double daily but haven't checked. Pre-covid Luton sometimes had x3 daily including a 777.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 21:47
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The summer slot report has now been published.
Very little of interest. The established airlines continue to dominate slots.
Blue Air increases but only serves OTP and BCM.
Vueling return on AMS only.
FlyOne disappear (but Moldova is currently in the Ukraine war zone)
Freebird operate 1x per week for 15 weeks
Sun Express return with their 4 destinations
Lots of route changes, but not easy to assess against prior years due to Covid disruption.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 22:04
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Luton was more interesting 40 years ago with a fraction of the flights now available. Now it has become sterile and somewhat boring. Ok I guess if you don’t mind 737’s and Airbuses.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
FlyOne disappear (but Moldova is currently in the Ukraine war zone)
War notwithstanding what was the actual status of FlyOne’s LTN operation? Were they ‘leased’ slots? Originally they vacated SEN following its closure for LGW, but when it came to it after the initial Lockdown 1 break LGW couldn’t accept them either for similar reasons. So they ended up at LTN. But one assumes it worked for them even up against Wizz because surely they could have gone back to LGW (or SEN during Summer ‘21) had they wanted to.
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Old 26th Mar 2022, 22:58
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Luton was more interesting 40 years ago with a fraction of the flights now available. Now it has become sterile and somewhat boring. Ok I guess if you don’t mind 737’s and Airbuses.
I completely disagree with this. The fundamental purpose of a passenger airport is to allow the easy air travel of people to and from cities far away. For what was once a much sneered-at airport, Luton now has a vast array of destinations within Europe, including many places most people in London or the UK have never heard of, with regular and fairly reliable airlines, at fares that are accessible to almost everyone
For those who wish to fly between south east England and Europe, Luton is highly relevant and of huge interest today

In 2022, I have flown between Luton and Lviv, Tenerife, Zurich and Satu Mare. That diversity of types of route at modest fares simply isn't available anywhere near London except at Luton

If you just wish to see a large number of different types of aircraft then, rather than an airport, I recommend visiting an air show or a museum

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Old 27th Mar 2022, 07:11
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Agree with the above. Living in the area allows me to get virtually anywhere on the planet within 24 hours. If it wasn’t there, I’d need to move closer to LHR. We are lucky, with LTN being part of it, to have to LON airport system with like six airports within a 2 hour radius. LTN has its place - the “boring” 737s keep the likes of BAW charging £1000 for a return to CDG.
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Old 27th Mar 2022, 07:13
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For what was once a much sneered-at airport
It still is a much sneered at airport, as it always comes bottom in the Which passenger surveys. That might change though with the Dart but the Dart might help bankrupt its owner. Not bad for a company that claims to have no staff on the payroll. Whatever happens it will be eventually sold on at a great financial loss to the towns taxpayers. The preparation is being put in place now with the Dart being spun off as a separate company owned by Luton Rising Temperature with its own management team. So who will pay their wage bill? I am thinking the Town Hall again.

Anyone thinking the Dart will open anytime soon then keep dreaming, which will heap more debts onto the company that is still being bailed out by the taxpayer.
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Old 27th Mar 2022, 07:18
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That diversity of types of route at modest fares simply isn't available anywhere near London except at Luton
How does STN compare?
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Old 27th Mar 2022, 07:35
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We have been told that there is no planned opening date for the Dart as there is still months of work required. It is looking like the peak summer season will be missed.
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Old 27th Mar 2022, 15:29
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
How does STN compare?
Luton has flights to expensive airports like Zurich or UK domestic that Stansted just doesn't do either at all or on the same scale

Luton has its faults, but there is a reason why it sees large numbers of pax who are sufficiently interested in LTN to spend time and money in order to pay a visit
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Old 27th Mar 2022, 15:40
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
Agree with the above. Living in the area allows me to get virtually anywhere on the planet within 24 hours. If it wasn’t there, I’d need to move closer to LHR. We are lucky, with LTN being part of it, to have to LON airport system with like six airports within a 2 hour radius.
Let’s pretend climate change isn’t happening while also ignoring global warming. Ryanair is one of Europe’s top polluters according to the EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47783992. Didn’t I read that the local council owned airport declared a climate emergency while at the same time pretending it doesn’t exist by pushing for a much bigger airport?

Yes, I must take my 5 foreign holidays this year, as I can afford to. Sod the planet.

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Old 28th Mar 2022, 07:15
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I notice the new holding pattern for Luton is being well patronised this morning, not weather related just rather a lot of traffic.Back to the good old days?
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