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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 06:32
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According to my information no aircraft diverted from Luton, they did have one executive aircraft divert from London City.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 06:56
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Twitter account said "Attention: Due to significant wind conditions, the #LutonDART service is on a temporary hold. Replacement bus services are in operation. Please allocate extra time for your journey."
At the time wasn't the Dartford Road crossing over the Thames suspended?
Maybe there is a H&S clause once wind conditions go over a curtain amount?
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 07:24
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Don't think the Dartford Road crossing is comparable to the DART, for the reasons stated by Spanish Eyes. Same for aircraft - slightly different operational environments...
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 12:22
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It was gusting 54 knots at Luton yesterday. That is a very rare event.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 12:41
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
According to my information no aircraft diverted from Luton, they did have one executive aircraft divert from London City.
there were no diverts but ground handling and refuelling was suspended for over one hour due to the winds
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 13:24
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Originally Posted by 22/04
It was gusting 54 knots at Luton yesterday. That is a very rare event.
This chart suggests it's occurred every year in the past ten, so not very rare.

https://windy.app/forecast2/spot/243...ort/statistics

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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 16:03
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3/1/24 The demolition begins

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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 17:44
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Looks as though the demolition has started with cars still inside.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 17:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Seeing you are asking the airport should be kept under the ownership of the council but greed and incompetence took over as income to LRT from the airport is being used for debt interest payments instead of dividends, which remain at zero.

If the airport was left at 18m then that would secure the airports future. It is now looking like LRT will borrow more money to finance phase 1 if approved, which further risks the airport of a takeover. The whole point of the concession is that the concessionaire takes the risks.

Let’s not forget that LRT is only here today due to a bailout by a council despite being created as a zero risk company to just collect concession fees and rents with no staff.

The town needs diversity not a single source employment choice for job creation where 24/7 becomes the only option.

These are all points I have said before so it is time to move on and get back to the airport, as no one is interested in my rants.
I enjoyed reading your posts, unfortunately conflicts of interest seem to be tolerated in local government. Here in Bedford we have the scandal of EWR route selection and the involvement of the past mayor and his cronies. These matters don't even need a whistle-blower as the prima facie evidence sits in broad daylight. Even posts on pprune won't have any effect .
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 18:15
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Looks as though the demolition has started with cars still inside.
Yes indeed, cars still in the car park and still on the top floor, I think the removal of cars from the roof was stopped because of either high winds or the cranes were interfering with the ILS
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 18:39
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Since the fire, and no doubt as a result of it, the government has issued new guidelines outlining some design aspects to be considered in multi-storey car park design for EVs.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...c-vehicles.pdf

Among these are:• Suppression systems

• Increased structural fire resistances

• Distance between parked cars

• Firefighting water supplies

• Water run-off control and containment

• Locations and features of EV chargepoints

• Enhanced smoke management systems

• Thermal imaging cameras and other early detection methods, to enable early intervention

This looks likely to significantly increase the cost compared to the original car park, with potentially reduced revenue from wider spacing between vehicles.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 18:48
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Over the last 20 years almost every new parking space - indoors out out - has had the spaces marked smaller. This, I suspect, is to pretend that they have provided more spaces than they have. Over the same time, it is well known that vehicles have got bigger. My car is a very reglar size and I find that some parking spaces are too small for it - if you then want to get out between you and the next vehicle.

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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 19:34
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Grrr

Originally Posted by PAXboy
Over the last 20 years almost every new parking space - indoors out out - has had the spaces marked smaller. This, I suspect, is to pretend that they have provided more spaces than they have. Over the same time, it is well known that vehicles have got bigger. My car is a vbery ruglar size and I find that some parking spaces are too small for it - if you then want to get out between you and the next vehicle.
Buster was going to buy a Toyota Supra, but car parking sizes meant that I might have been able to get out of the car, but depending upon how close another car parked alongside, unable to get back in! Just like many SUVs, cars designed for American sized car parking spaces.

What is the timescale for the replacement multi storey to be opened? Mega lost income for the airport during the interim. Getting reimbursed might take years, if the settlements end up in the courts.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman
there were no diverts but ground handling and refuelling was suspended for over one hour due to the winds
So there were significant issues at the time. I would think a temporary suspension of the DART service was prudent.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 20:58
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More of a case of Luton Rising having no faith in the product seeing that one third of it is underground, one third is in a deep cutting while only one third is above the ground but below the runway and hill top.
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Old 4th Jan 2024, 09:52
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
Buster was going to buy a Toyota Supra, but car parking sizes meant that I might have been able to get out of the car, but depending upon how close another car parked alongside, unable to get back in! Just like many SUVs, cars designed for American sized car parking spaces.

What is the timescale for the replacement multi storey to be opened? Mega lost income for the airport during the interim. Getting reimbursed might take years, if the settlements end up in the courts.
16 weeks to remove CP2
http://BBC News - Dismantling of Lut...herts-67877365
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Old 4th Jan 2024, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
More of a case of Luton Rising having no faith in the product seeing that one third of it is underground, one third is in a deep cutting while only one third is above the ground but below the runway and hill top.
nothing to do with no faith… have you not heard of recommended manufacturers safety limits and guidelines. Do you seriously think that after the multi story car park fire, they would risk running the Dart in wind speeds such as that and exceeding the limits of operation?
if you have health and safety responsibilities then you have to take them seriously. One third of that track is exposed, doesn’t matter if it is 100 metres of track or 1000 metres of track, it is still exposed.

i think there are a few people on this forum that just like to have a dig because they don’t get any come back to their comments but they don’t actually have a clue of operating a business in the real world.
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Just an observation but the trains operated, the buses operated, the aircraft operated but the £300m plus Dart couldn’t and it wasn’t even a crosswind but straight down the track. Is it your opinion that the Dart could have been blown off the tracks?

As for manufacturers safety limits, if the Dart was the manufacturer’s cable car than it could have operated in up to 100km winds according to their website. It seems something that is attached to the ground can’t but maybe the track was built on the cheap?

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Old 4th Jan 2024, 15:15
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It may not have been a wind issue as you say "one third is in a deep cutting"
Maybe risk of rainfall collection.
We have all seen what has occurred in the Road tunnel before.
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Old 4th Jan 2024, 15:18
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Drop Off charges

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