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Old 14th Oct 2023, 19:32
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FAQ regarding the fire
If you pre-booked your parking at Terminal Car Park 2, and you wish to cancel, your full fee will be refunded, if your booking has not commenced.

Onward travel from the airport on arrival back in the UK should be notified to your insurer as part of your claim.
​​​​​​​Seems if your car is trapped or written off you are not entitled to a refund
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 05:43
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
You had a text from an angry friend at 06.30 in the morning regarding the fact that he and his wife had to queue in the rain with no shelter.

What type of friend texts someone at 06.30 complaining about something like that 🤔
I take it you do not work at a busy international airport where that is probably the busiest time of day and already have a couple of hours work under your belt?
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 08:31
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I think some people should get some sense of reality here (I know we are talking about the UK here). There has been an unfortunate fire at a major airport with nobody killed but a large number of motor vehicles damaged or destroyed. Vehicles can be replaced (I know some owners think it is there pride and joy) but after all it is a piece of metal and can be replaced where human beings cannot.
I dread to think how people today would deal with the Cuban crisis of 1962 when everybody was about to be blown up. What did we do - we just got in with our lives and hoped common sense would prevail and it did.
As four of my compatriots once said 'the younguns today would never believe you'.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 08:40
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
I think some people should get some sense of reality here (I know we are talking about the UK here). There has been an unfortunate fire at a major airport with nobody killed but a large number of motor vehicles damaged or destroyed. Vehicles can be replaced (I know some owners think it is there pride and joy) but after all it is a piece of metal and can be replaced where human beings cannot.
I dread to think how people today would deal with the Cuban crisis of 1962 when everybody was about to be blown up. What did we do - we just got in with our lives and hoped common sense would prevail and it did.
As four of my compatriots once said 'the younguns today would never believe you'.
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How long are adverts going to take to appear on radio along the lines of "was your car in the car park at Luton airport? Did you have your holiday disrupted? You may be due compensation etc etc"?

Thankfully no lives were lost.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 12:20
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compton3bravo asks how people now would cope with the 1962 crisis. Turning that around, how would a passenger from that era cope with low cost air travel at a low cost airport like Luton? I would suggest not very well.

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Old 15th Oct 2023, 12:30
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compton3bravo Asks how people now would cope with the 1962 crisis. Turning that around, how would a passenger from that era cope with low cost air travel at a low cost airport like Luton? I would suggest not very well.
Well they'd look pretty out of place turning up in a suit, tie and bowler hat or posh frock!

They would probably find not being offered the choice of smoking or jon smoking on the aircraft a shock to their system.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 14:40
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Well ATNotts I am from that era and personally seem to manage quite well thank you though I must say I was around the world of aviation for over 40 years. Where you get the idea of a bowler hat I have no idea. Also I find your comments rather patronising. You will get old one day!!
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 14:48
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
Well ATNotts I am from that era and personally seem to manage quite well thank you though I must say I was around the world of aviation for over 40 years. Where you get the idea of a bowler hat I have no idea. Also I find your comments rather patronising. You will get old one day!!
I am already!
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 15:05
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Luton Airport fire cars 'unlikely to be salvageable' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-67117301


Luton Airport says it is "unlikely" any vehicles will be salvageable following a massive fire that caused one of its car parks to collapse.
The spokesman said the airport had provided the Motor Insurers' Bureau with the registration details of 1,405 vehicles and was working with the Association of British Insurers to try to retrieve any personal items.
If the average car was valued at say only £10,000 that is £14m but I suspect it is twice that figure. The car park cost £20m to build but let’s say £26m to demolish and rebuild. Then there is lost revenue from the drop off zone and car park. I am guessing the final bill will be at least £45m to £60m and probably more. Now how much was that sprinkler system?

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Old 15th Oct 2023, 15:57
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Looks like there are x3 El Al tomorrow.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 16:04
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Luton Airport fire cars 'unlikely to be salvageable' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-67117301






If the average car was valued at say only £10,000 that is £14m but I suspect it is twice that figure. The car park cost £20m to build but letís say £26m to demolish and rebuild. Then there is lost revenue from the drop off zone and car park. I am guessing the final bill will be at least £45m to £60m and probably more. Now how much was that sprinkler system?
One for the airport insurance companies to sort out, what updated policies may demand might be bigger ongoing cost.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 17:27
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So the completely undamaged cars on the roof (visible in photos) cannot be recovered because arranging a crane to do so by lifting them out is too much of a hoo-hah for somebody ?

I wonder if owners losing their cars in this way will be blandly told to claim off their own insurance (where you typically only receive a fraction of what it will cost you to replace it), whereas any professional recovery will be a cost to the airport operator.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 17:44
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I would expect any costs would fall to insurance companies and they will be driving what does and doesn't happen, rather than the airport. I also expect they wouldn't have insured the car park if they thought a sprinkler system was necessary.
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It will be interesting to discover how many of the cars weren't insured....
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 18:54
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So the completely undamaged cars on the roof (visible in photos) cannot be recovered because arranging a crane to do so by lifting them out is too much of a hoo-hah for somebody ?

I wonder if owners losing their cars in this way will be blandly told to claim off their own insurance (where you typically only receive a fraction of what it will cost you to replace it), whereas any professional recovery will be a cost to the airport operator.
Even if the car looks like it is in a fit state, it will be uninsurable again? Fuel lines comprised, brake lines? OK it looks good so fit to go then is involved in a future accident. Much safer for everyone to just right it off.

Remember this make of car was involved in the Liverpool Car Park fire and has been involved in a few model recalls. Are TATA building cars which have a safety floor? Unfortunately building regulations only change after issues occur.

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Old 15th Oct 2023, 20:02
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Originally Posted by pabely
Even if the car looks like it is in a fit state, it will be uninsurable again? Fuel lines comprised, brake lines? OK it looks good so fit to go then is involved in a future accident. Much safer for everyone to just right it off.

Remember this make of car was involved in the Liverpool Car Park fire and has been involved in a few model recalls. Are TATA building cars which have a safety floor? Unfortunately building regulations only change after issues occur.
It's FLAW rather than FLOOR.

But I should imagine that you are fully aware of your era 🤔

But nonetheless I totally agree with your comments regarding the state of the vehicles and the points made regarding the insurance.
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Old 15th Oct 2023, 21:44
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Originally Posted by pabely
Even if the car looks like it is in a fit state, it will be uninsurable again? Fuel lines comprised, brake lines? OK it looks good so fit to go then is involved in a future accident. Much safer for everyone to just right it off.

Remember this make of car was involved in the Liverpool Car Park fire and has been involved in a few model recalls. Are TATA building cars which have a safety floor? Unfortunately building regulations only change after issues occur.
Totally agree, you only have to do a quick on line check to read the stories of this type of car going up in flames.
If this type has caused two seriously major fires insurance companies must be aware and concerned.
Wonder if it will force more recalls.
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Old 16th Oct 2023, 05:41
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How much was Luton Airport out of pocket when this happened ? They must surely be insured so vehicle owners should create a group and claim from the airport en-mass ?
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I have just watched a very interesting video of analysis of the initial fire showing the Land Rover. He is saying the car was a diesel hybrid and the battery caught fire.


So where are the EV chargers located at Luton? Between floors in the undamaged CP1. I wonder if they have been taken out of service?
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Old 16th Oct 2023, 06:12
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Originally Posted by dc9-32
How much was Luton Airport out of pocket when this happened ? They must surely be insured so vehicle owners should create a group and claim from the airport en-mass ?
And then what, the Airport finds out the owner of the car, finds neglect that he/ she didnít do a safety recall or the manufacturer is at fault for making a car with known fault.
It will all be sorted by the Insurance Companyís, I doubt it will be quick .
Why would they claim from the Airport direct, the Airport did nothing wrong, built a MSCP , sprinklers not mandatory, meets building standards.
I still find it strange that at least some of those cars are not salvageable .
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