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Old 18th Oct 2023, 16:45
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If my own car was involved I would want to make that decision myself, thank you very much. My expectation of leaving it to the airport owner is they will go for the solution that costs them the least, regardless of how I am inconvenienced or left grossly out of pocket.
I believe some insurance companies have already started paying out, so if you were in that position you would need to move fast. I think most will just take then money and purchase something else but depends what your policy is and says.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 11:15
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Update on the Dart. The car park is deemed to be unsafe and will need to be propped up. Once that is done the Dart can reopened. The suggestion is that this could happen by the end of the week or next week according to the airport operator.
I travelled through Luton yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to discover that the DART replacement shuttle bus is free.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 11:17
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Only if you don’t buy a Dart ticket. Most do, as it is incorporated into the rail ticket if Luton Airport is the destination rather than Luton Airport Parkway.

In the other direction the same applies if the ticket starts at Luton Airport

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Old 19th Oct 2023, 16:44
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New National Express 788 starts tomorrow linking Peterborough, Cambridge, Hitchin with Luton Airport, x6 day.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 19:23
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Shame it doesn't carry on to High Wycombe. There is NO means of reaching Luton Airport from High Wycombe without going via London. There used to be an Oxford-High Wycombe - Luton Airport - Stansted service by National Express, but it was diverted awat from High Wycombe a few years ago.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 20:28
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Originally Posted by geriatrix
Shame it doesn't carry on to High Wycombe. There is NO means of reaching Luton Airport from High Wycombe without going via London. There used to be an Oxford-High Wycombe - Luton Airport - Stansted service by National Express, but it was diverted awat from High Wycombe a few years ago.
National Express are usually very good st looking at route demand trends, I assume few were booking the route.

Anyone heard anything about the DART, earlier in the week it was thought it would reopen today or maybe early next week?
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 20:33
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LRT are hoping for Sunday but I did see it running today empty. A marquee has been erected in the forecourt at Parkway to process passengers.

Tonight and tomorrow are not good days to be dropped off or picked up in the midterm, as there is a weather warning for heavy rain. That 10 minutes walk will seem a long way when pushing a trolly.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 21:06
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Originally Posted by LTNman
LRT are hoping for Sunday but I did see it running today empty. A marquee has been erected in the forecourt at Parkway to process passengers.

Tonight and tomorrow are not good days to be dropped off or picked up in the midterm, as there is a weather warning for heavy rain. That 10 minutes walk will seem a long way when pushing a trolly.
Sounds promising with DART.

Same could be said for most of UK tomorrow, definitely a big coat day.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 04:14
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Originally Posted by pabely
New National Express 788 starts tomorrow linking Peterborough, Cambridge, Hitchin with Luton Airport, x6 day.
Luton Airport is a stopping off point and not the destination as it carries on to Heathrow.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 10:09
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Luton Airport is a stopping off point and not the destination as it carries on to Heathrow.
Never said it was the final destination, same with alot of services.

The Insurance Times reporting alot of Insurance companies are covering the out of pocket expenses of customers who were affected by fire to return home and a claim will not affect their no claims discount.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 11:09
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Shuttle Buses are now available for the drop off and pick up area in mid term, and the shuttle to and from parkway has had the number of buses increased. Last night whilst using it there were three buses waiting at parkway for customers and at least another 2 in motion. A coach company has been drafted in to supply extra vehicles in short term to help out on staff/car hire route and the mid term routes.

Early estimates from LLA looking at between 12 - 24 months for the car park to be rebuilt and drop off/ pick up area to reopen. I suspect it will be more like 18-24 months in the end.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman
Early estimates from LLA looking at between 12 - 24 months for the car park to be rebuilt and drop off/ pick up area to reopen. I suspect it will be more like 18-24 months in the end.
No doubt with a Sprinker/Fire Retartment system this time.
Not pointing the fingers at any EV cars which maybe made things worse, when such vehicles get serviced they have to have a safety zone around them. Perhaps a less dense parking bay area - but at extra cost? I know my Car Insurance company has advised its customers of a 70% increase of insurance renewals on EVs.
Brittany Ferries already treat them differently on their boats making them park next to specific fire protection systems and thus restricted bookings.
There is no evidence they are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars, but once they do, it is almost impossible to control.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 13:37
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Another day and another photo report

Cars have to filter into a single lane to turn into the drop off area





View from the other direction.



Tightly packed tunnel where two trolleys cannot pass each other without rearranging luggage.



I could be wrong but I suspect passengers will soon be walking in the road.



The road ring road used for access to the service road, MSCP1 and MSCP2 and the exit is fenced off. No signs of any propping up of the fire damaged car park by the Dart. Maybe it isn’t needed?



Kingsferry are providing additional internal busses to car parks.



Meanwhile busses are still providing a replacement Dart service. It’s all bit of a mess really when looking at the whole picture.




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Old 21st Oct 2023, 14:39
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Terminal Car Park 2 update:

They are looking to crane off 100 cars from the roof. Not all, if any, will be returned to the owners. It is being done to help stabilise the building.

Message from Neil Thompson, Operations Director at London Luton Airport:

Having worked with our engineers, experts and insurers, we are getting closer every day to making a final decision on what is going to happen to the car park and the vehicles contained within it.

Positively, working with our structural engineers we are planning to remove around a hundred cars from the top deck of the car park for the purposes of stabilising the structure. Once removed, these cars will be stored in a safe compound.

As you’ll appreciate, this will be an incredibly difficult operation involving a large crane and team of experts. After we have removed and stored the cars, we will contact customers and work with insurers in due course to inform them of the process of recovery for those cars. Only then will the condition of those cars be able to be assessed.

For all other vehicles in the car park, the assessment remains largely unchanged from my previous updates, that no cars can currently be accessed or removed from the car park. The structure remains fundamentally unsafe and the adverse weather over the last few days hasn’t helped.

As ever, please accept my thanks for your ongoing patience and understanding as we work our way through this complicated and challenging situation. As I’ve promised, we’ll continue to be open, honest and realistic in our updates which we’ll provide every step of the way.

We will continue to provide regular updates.

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Old 21st Oct 2023, 16:33
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The Dart is expected to reopen on Sunday.
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 09:41
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A mobile crane is erecting a tower crane by MSCP2.

The Dart has gone back into operation this morning but I believe the shuttle buses are still operating for the time being, as a duplicate service.

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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 13:24
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Originally Posted by LTNman
A mobile crane is erecting a tower crane by MSCP2.

The Dart has gone back into operation this morning but I believe the shuttle buses are still operating for the time being, as a duplicate service.
Wouldn't it make more sense to use half the buses for a service from Mid-term to CTA?
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 13:37
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There is a service from the road outside the midterm but I have only ever seen one bus on it. Also the shuttle buses for the Dart are operated by LRT while the car park buses are operated by the operator.
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 13:57
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Originally Posted by LTNman
There is a service from the road outside the midterm but I have only ever seen one bus on it. Also the shuttle buses for the Dart are operated by LRT while the car park buses are operated by the operator.
I know, just thought some joined up thinking of "we have a contract for X number of weeks to supply extra buses, do you want to take some on and share costs to help out customers?" Perhaps not.
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People up North would hate this after the cuts to HS2 but it actually makes sense, London tube network extension to St Albans & Luton. Help reduce commute traffic to London.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/trans...ondon-27927784
East West got the Elizabeth Line.
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