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Old 12th Oct 2023, 05:34
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I was thinking about this yesterday. For me, there are going to need to be significant short term cutbacks in flights down to a more manageable level. Maybe to 50% of the summer peak. Clearly the airlines will be annoyed here, but you’re going to see 1000s of people missing flights every day because of the “last mile”.

The mid term car park is a handy stop gap, but that can’t be a longer term solution.

I know it’s awkward, but I was wondering if the new stands which came into action earlier this year could be used as a temporary drop off area with the fencing pushed back. Reopened when the car park is rebuilt.

I don’t think there will be any cutbacks, it will be service as normal. Those with even short memories will remember the single lane drop off zone that sat where the Dart station is now. It was chaos yet the airport handled close to 18m.

The area of the new apron was the last drop off area before it moved inside so I guess it could be remodelled.

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Old 12th Oct 2023, 05:42
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Let’s not forget that LRT is planning 21.5m for the existing terminal, which is up some 3.5m and a new pier that would pass the length of the multi-storey that burned down. As I keep saying over the years, the passenger experience is not a factor in airport planning at Luton.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 07:08
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At least those annoying Dart advertisements that penetrated YouTube videos every few minutes with the announcer walking up the station platform have been given up.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 07:33
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The Dart is closed due to the risk of collapse of the multi story. Also noticed that no car parks can be pre booked until October 27th and then only the short term. The other car parks are bookable from October 30th. Itís all a complete mess.
Of course it is a mess you silly person. There has been a major fire!
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:04
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A helpful comment no doubt composed with a great deal of thought
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:18
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So why not add a lot more buses between the airport and Parkway and/or Luton town centre ? Make the bus frequency really high... and publicise widely this frequency boost. I can't see any other cheap ways of avoiding substantial reputational loss over the next 2 years
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:41
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
So why not add a lot more buses between the airport and Parkway and/or Luton town centre ? Make the bus frequency really high... and publicise widely this frequency boost. I can't see any other cheap ways of avoiding substantial reputational loss over the next 2 years
You think that there are lots of spare buses and drivers just sitting around? A reschedule of current services may free up a few buses and drivers but that would take time and probably some negotiation
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:43
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Originally Posted by LTNman
A helpful comment no doubt composed with a great deal of thought
Someone has to challenge your responses.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:50
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Originally Posted by ezyBoh
You think that there are lots of spare buses and drivers just sitting around? A reschedule of current services may free up a few buses and drivers but that would take time and probably some negotiation
Apart from 2 weeks in late December, LTN has 5 quiet months coming up. Easter is in late March 2024, so there *is* time to do something about this.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 10:41
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Getting to the airport is now best described as challenging. This was 9:20 during Luton’s quiet time.


Reminders of days long ago with the Ibis roundabout heavily congested so stopping traffic trying to turn right, which in turn was blocking traffic trying to get to the motorway, so leaving the other carriageway empty. Photo taken at 10:45 when traffic was building up again.


Once inside the midterm it was a free for all with dropping off where you can.


To exit a one way system has been set up, which involves driving past the fire station


To exit cars have to cross the path of cars trying to get in. Some will remember this arrangement from years ago.


Then it is a long slow walk between the car park and terminal on a narrow footpath that was designed for light foot traffic.


A long walk in the rain is no fun


Ending this on a positive note. In less than 24 hours a new entrance and exit ramp has been constructed into the other multi story.

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Old 12th Oct 2023, 10:43
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Massive traffic queues that peaked all the way back to the Gypsy Lane turn off on the A505 this morning, as traffic heads to the temporary drop off area for the first wave of departures. .
Just wondering if this is affecting non airport traffic, both north and south bound, on the M1 in the vicinity Luton Airport. Are the queues backing up onto the M1 at Junctions 11 and 10? I'm hoping to drive to St Albans in the next day or so, exiting the M1 south bound at Junction 9.



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Originally Posted by LTNman
... and exit ramp has been constructed into the other multi story.
Lots of tales to be told - on many levels?
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly
Just wondering if this is affecting non airport traffic, both north and south bound, on the M1 in the vicinity Luton Airport. Are the queues backing up onto the M1 at Junctions 11 and 10? I'm hoping to drive to St Albans in the next day or so, exiting the M1 south bound at Junction 9.
Airport traffic is not affecting the M1. Looking now on Google Maps the tailback only extends maybe 200m
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Airport traffic is not affecting the M1. Looking now on Google Maps the tailback only extends maybe 200m
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Airport traffic is not affecting the M1. Looking now on Google Maps the tailback only extends maybe 200m
Wondering what traffic will be like at about 5:30 am on Saturday 14 or 21 October for half-term...
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Wondering what traffic will be like at about 5:30 am on Saturday 14 or 21 October for half-term...
Make sure everyone is waring good walking shoes, if arriving, no flip flops.

I was thinking of some multistorey car parks I have used in Central London, next to critical travel infrastructure, business & residential properties, quite often in a worse cul-de-sac than of airport.
In hindsight is always a good thing but as there was no loss of life in the incident, I doubt any national law building regulations will change.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 12:00
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So will it be a case of lessons learned with CP1 being retrofitted with a sprinkle system together with a new CP2 or will it be a case of lightning not striking twice? We have to remember that CP1 is a mirror of CP2 so is just as vulnerable. Then there is the terminal, which is another virtually sprinkler free zone.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 12:03
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Major airports do not have quiet months any more they have quieter months. A lot more people have holidays and visit friends and relatives in the so called out of season. We have October half term followed by six weeks of quieter operations until the middle of December when the ski season kicks in which includes what I call the essyJet Geneva shuttle with up to 12 return services on some days right through to April. From the middle of January until the end of February excluding half term it quieten's down again.
​​​​​​I would suggest the airport needs as many passengers as possible to make up the shortfall in revenue.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 12:15
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Nice and free drop off and pick up with unlimited free parking at the moment in the mid term, as the exit route is barrier free. No barriers in CP 1 either after a new entrance and exits were put in. Looking at the traffic queues there is a great deal of money being lost. Time to declare force majeure again and get the Council to cough up after stopping all payments?
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 12:40
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What caused the Luton Airport fire and what happens next? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-67077996
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