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Old 29th Mar 2023, 20:53
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I wanted to be optimistic on T2 build schedule dates. If it's going to take until 2039 or 2043 to build T2, then a 99 year lease expires even further away from today, and an even larger risk in long-term technology change - one would expect a change in society roughly comparable from the death of Queen Victoria to today. Compare the Wright Flyer with today... and then ask yourself what transport technology will look like after a similiar time frame has elapsed
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 21:00
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It's also not entirely inconceivable that a future government between now and 2039 potentially looks to restrict air travel, be it additional taxes or other means.

A 77% increase in capacity does seem huge but I guess in perspective when you see the the percentage increase over the last 20 years.

What numbers are LHR / Gatwick / Stansted forecasting by 2039?
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 21:24
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Same issue affects all airports. Gatwick will be submitting a DCO soon and Heathrow still wants to expand. The difference being that both airports are owned by the operator.

Regarding Luton, it isn’t a strategic airport but the home for weekends away and holidays.
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 09:45
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Fly One sent in a re-registered A320 yesterday. It is now FlyOne Romania. According to Planespotters the other two operational aircraft have been transferred to FlyOne Armenia but not re-registered.
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 18:28
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Probally cheaper insurance than FlyOne Moldova at the moment.
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 19:00
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
It's also not entirely inconceivable that a future government between now and 2039 potentially looks to restrict air travel, be it additional taxes or other means.

A 77% increase in capacity does seem huge but I guess in perspective when you see the the percentage increase over the last 20 years.

What numbers are LHR / Gatwick / Stansted forecasting by 2039?
Dutch & French governments already trying but backlash in projected job losses.

LGW 45M to 82M - Cost £9.2B 2019 prices
LHR extra 700movments/day £19B
STN already approved 35M to 43M cost ? £130M for dedicated Departures terminal, alot more needed airside though.
Oh, I wouldn't call STN a stagegic airport either then, but it got the green light! Probably more of a holidays airport with Jet2 and a bigger presence of TUI as well.

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Old 30th Mar 2023, 19:38
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So expansion at Luton is clearly not required then. Be happy LRT with what you got instead of inflicting more misery on local communities with a build that is not needed.

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Old 31st Mar 2023, 11:32
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Perhaps you should revisit that statement in 12 months when LHR & LGW are full and demand goes elsewhere increasing their employment & no reward to local community schemes as other airports are run for the benefit of shareholders and not the local community!
Even if T2 is turned down do you think the concrete will not stop being laid?
Existing terminal restrictions will force revenue streams from other areas as slots are available, more once the fast exit & backtrack extensions come online.
Luton could once again become BizJet friendly, as STN Northside becomes restricted new Hangers & aprons could be built.
As STN gets busier and overlying becomes more of an issue LTN departures will not be able to climb so quickly so more noise!
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 13:05
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For starters the airport companies canít fill the vacancies they have. Secondly LRT has spent around £550m so far, so it can expand the airport yet has not added a single passenger above 18m after 7 years due to its cap.

Because of that debt and the need to service it, the airport dividends to the council are no more.

£550m would have gone a long way in ending poverty in the town. There is no surprise that the terminal and aprons are the home of low paid jobs and in-work poverty so they plan to build another one.

Greed has caught them out. 18m passengers and no plans to expand= dividends. 18,000,001 passengers = losses.

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Old 31st Mar 2023, 14:06
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A good summary.......Greed and incompetence have lead to this current situation!
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 14:10
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Fly One sent in a re-registered A320 yesterday. It is now FlyOne Romania. According to Planespotters the other two operational aircraft have been transferred to FlyOne Armenia but not re-registered.
How does a Romanian airline get to fly between the UK and Moldova without incurring the attention of the CAA ? Last year, flights between Iceland and the UK by a Maltese airline were shut down pretty quickly
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 14:21
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Moldova has a strange relationship with the EU. Despite Moldova being outside the EU, its citizens can travel and settle, seemingly without restriction.
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 14:24
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Moldova has a strange relationship with the EU. Despite Moldova being outside the EU, its citizens can travel and settle, seemingly without restriction.
That's because many Moldovans (reports suggest it's over a third of them) also hold Romanian citizenship.
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 15:06
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Have they been granted an exemption as a special case? The reasons for re-registering are understandable, not a scenario applicable to northern Iceland.
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Of the x11 first wave W9 departures tomorrow, x9 are 321s. Does that show that demand is good at Luton? If life was better at LGW wouldn't you put your best assets South of the river?
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 20:22
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Of the x11 first wave W9 departures tomorrow, x9 are 321s. Does that show that demand is good at Luton? If life was better at LGW wouldn't you put your best assets South of the river?
Think you will find they have all W9 flights tomorrow on 321s from LGW, certainly the early morning departures
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 21:16
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Oh yes, down to only x2 A320 now. Hadn't noticed that, I'll shut up!
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 13:18
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New route with Wizz to Brasov in Romania. 3x weekly from August
https://boardingpass.ro/wizz-air-anunta-primele-rute-de-la-aeroportul-brasov/
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 15:20
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Being reported that Sun Express switching to STN from W23/24 elsewhere. Anyone know anything?
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