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Old 19th Jul 2022, 07:50
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No trains from Parkway today?
Thameslink is not running services north of London. East Midlands trains cancelled all services between St Pancras and Corby
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 08:15
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While we all support aviation we and particularly Luton Rising need to accept that the near doubling of flights out of the airport will have an adverse affect on climate change no matter how they try to spin it. Setting binding limits that allows for massive growth is no better than setting no limits. We have to remember that there are binding limits on aircraft noise at the moment that the airport didn’t meet. Their solution was to put in a planning application to raise those limits.

Also net zero only applies to the airport and not the aircraft using Luton.


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Old 19th Jul 2022, 09:14
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Also net zero only applies to the airport and not the aircraft using Luton.
Nor I suspect to the passenger's cars driving to and from the airport, the pubic transport operators, or indeed the concessions using fossil fuels to power their catering and retail operations.

As with most corporate "Green" policies they are pretty much total "green washing" dreamed up by overpaid marketing people to get their clients out of tight corners. Many will take them at face value, a few, like you and I will, shall we say, be rather less gullible.

Whether you support green policies and "net zero" or not, these kinds of corporate hogwash aren't particularly helpful in any sector.
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 10:12
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I have been a massive supporter of the airport since I got into plane spotting at the age of 11. I watched the highs and lows of the airport over more years than I can remember and watched its sustained growth since 1995, which I fully supported. It is only in recent years I have questioned where this will all end. Well I am sitting here in blistering heat thinking Luton Borough Council and its stooge Luton Rising (Temperature) is in denial or just doesn’t care, just like the tobacco industry that claimed smoking was not harmful while knowing it was killing people.

The best bit is that the Council has declared a climate emergency that excludes the activities of its own airport while LRT claims its policies to nearly double movements are green. So what planet do they live on?

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Old 19th Jul 2022, 12:58
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Meanwhile away from the green debate we have reached 38C again, yesterday at this point the runway closed.
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 14:36
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The half hourly METAR reports from yesterday peaked at 36C although the airport quoted 38C when they had to close the runway. Today (1450 local) we have reached 39C. Unbearable for those working on the ramp. Which hasn't included me since March 2019, so I missed the 37C we had on 25/7/19.
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 17:35
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Noticed they are holding a few flights on Foxtrot & Run-up Bay, missed slots but need to vacate stands?
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 18:54
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Grrr

Originally Posted by LTNman
I have been a massive supporter of the airport since I got into plane spotting at the age of 11. I watched the highs and lows of the airport over more years than I can remember and watched its sustained growth since 1995, which I fully supported. It is only in recent years I have questioned where this will all end. Well I am sitting here in blistering heat thinking Luton Borough Council and its stooge Luton Rising (Temperature) is in denial or just doesn’t care, just like the tobacco industry that claimed smoking was not harmful while knowing it was killing people.

The best bit is that the Council has declared a climate emergency that excludes the activities of its own airport while LRT claims its policies to nearly double movements are green. So what planet do they live on?
Maybe their policies are written on green paper...... smoke and mirrors.... Like you, I am shocked with how the Town Hall are chasing the 'Gatwick Dream' at the expense of the people who directly own the airport, the residents!
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 20:05
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Maybe their policies are written on green paper...... smoke and mirrors.... Like you, I am shocked with how the Town Hall are chasing the 'Gatwick Dream' at the expense of the people who directly own the airport, the residents!

So the answer is.........let it cap out at say 21-22M, some of that will be natural with more A321s arriving with WZZ & EZY and NEOs.

Add a 6 or 8 pack for extra overnight parking east of Foxtrot?

Move Harrods to a new location which will free up space around cargo and the overflow Signature Hangar.

Watch STN pick off more traffic which a large proportion overflies Herts & Bucks anyhow.

Give SEN a fighting chance of a reasonable operation.

Watch EZY, WUK & TOM relocate HO operations and thus loss of local jobs.....?
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Old 19th Jul 2022, 21:07
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This might interest Pabely. I was told a week ago from a contact that work is about to start on a new apron to the west of Delta in the former temporary drop off zone. New stands or replacements for the Pond stands that are used for night stoppers that could allow Signature to once again occupy the whole apron overnight instead of part of it? At the moment I have no idea.

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Old 19th Jul 2022, 21:36
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Originally Posted by LTNman
This might interest Pabely. I was told a week ago from a contact that work is about to start on a new apron to the west of Delta in the former temporary drop off zone. New stands or replacements for the Pond stands that are used for night stoppers that could allow Signature to once again occupy the whole apron overnight instead of part of it? At the moment I have no idea.
6 stands were in the plan for night stoppers? N1 to N6, but you said West...

PS I cannot see any planning consent for stands west of Delta but have seen them on the full 38M proposal.

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Old 20th Jul 2022, 05:02
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Stands next to the multistory car park would always go in first, as it was the natural area for an additional apron and they say it doesn't need planning consent. We are talking about the Council owned airport here so it will be classed as permitted development to avoid scrutiny and objections and is claimed to be part of the original planning application for 18m, even though that application didn't show stands here. No new pier though, which would need planning permission.

One could argue that these stands should have been part of the Public Inquiry for 19m yet they are not. Just like the £120m dual carriageway for Terminal 2 that is not part of the DCO application. The clever Council put in a "phoney" application to itself, that it approved. That application breached the Local Plan and included an access road to a business park, that is financially unviable and just happens to sit on the same land that T2 does.


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Signature will be pleased. I don't know if anyone has noted the BizJets which use the Foxtrot taxiway for parking, are they overflow from which FBO?
It is obvious some reposition to other London airports once pax delivered and come back days later to collect. Now that is not very green and proves Luton is the place they choose for entry/exit to UK.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 07:53
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The last time I looked 2 stands on the pond were used for night stoppers. If it is the case that Signature take over the pond again the airport will still gain 2 stands. If Signature don't the gain is 4 stands. Put a pier in one day and continue it to the South Apron and that would be another 9ish contact stands that would not require busing. Busing to the west of Foxtrot would mean crossing two active taxiways, which is not ideal.

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Signature will be pleased. I don't know if anyone has noted the BizJets which use the Foxtrot taxiway for parking, are they overflow from which FBO?
It is obvious some reposition to other London airports once pax delivered and come back days later to collect. Now that is not very green and proves Luton is the place they choose for entry/exit to UK.
Harrods use Taxiway F for parking. It seems they are naturally re-directing traffic to thier facility at STN when LTN is full ....apparently STN was stacked with Biz-Jets earlier last week
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Apron Buses still come from the North part of terminal, am I correct so actually a shorter distance than South Stands.
Any extra 6 pack, if approved would be better for aircraft waiting to enter TUI or EZY hangers or overflow for Bizjets which have been using the dicing area up to now.
I would not expect regular pax based to such a remote area unless handling unsheduled diversions.
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Surely it makes both economic and environmental sense to allow them to build extra aircraft parking stands instead of moving aircraft to other airports.
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Originally Posted by ericlday
Surely it makes both economic and environmental sense to allow them to build extra aircraft parking stands instead of moving aircraft to other airports.
Exactly. Better than FBOs being forced to ask customers to reposition aircraft to STN, OXF, BIG & SEN. Revenue is revenue at the end of the day and reduces the tug dance which goes on currently pulling/pushing aircraft into every nook.
Rising might not like it as it does not generate the pax payment from Airport operator.
Did they say no to Sky Express yesterday due to parking, who operated an extra flight from SEN due to issues at LHR? We know they applied for slots at Luton so must have a handling arrangement in place in case it was approved.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 17:37
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I have been a massive supporter of the airport since I got into plane spotting at the age of 11. I watched the highs and lows of the airport over more years than I can remember and watched its sustained growth since 1995, which I fully supported. It is only in recent years I have questioned where this will all end. Well I am sitting here in blistering heat thinking Luton Borough Council and its stooge Luton Rising (Temperature) is in denial or just doesn’t care, just like the tobacco industry that claimed smoking was not harmful while knowing it was killing people.

The best bit is that the Council has declared a climate emergency that excludes the activities of its own airport while LRT claims its policies to nearly double movements are green. So what planet do they live on?
There are photos of me as a child with Monarch Bristol Britannia’s in the back ground. I come from a generation of family members employed at the airport. Myself, I worked at the airport and started as a seasonal member. I eventually left my role having become the Manager many years later ! The fact is, the airport gives opportunities for the unemployed to become employed and have a fruitful life. With that thought in mind is it better to have youngsters working or deny them employment and allow other airports to accommodate the growth in air travel instead.
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We live in a post Covid world where people don’t want to work 24/7 shift pattens, as there are other opportunities away from the airport with more social hours. Even before Covid some Luton based companies were employing permanent recruitment agencies to replace staff who were moving on every week. My son lasted around a year and that was enough. As for letting other airport take up the slack, that is fine by me, as if people want an airport job those jobs are available now. No doubt we can expect more annual job fairs, as the airport companies struggle to find staff regardless of expansion.

Expansion of Luton or any airport cannot be seen in a good light if people believe in climate change. If people don’t give a monkeys then that is fair enough, but that is a discussion for Jet Blast.

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