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I also agree with the sentiments about Norwegian. It is no good simply flooding already saturated routes. It helps no one. Not the new entrants, the incumbents or the airport.
Also, given the amount of sun routes, are Ryanair and easyjet not 'flooding markets' also? Quite a protectionist view to hold really.
Also, who is to say Norwegian would purely aim at 'saturated markets', and, what are the 'saturated markets'?
Las Palmas, for the size of the island and offering, is served significantly less than TFS/ACE for example?
There are plenty of destinations, that, MAN sees as underserved that Norwegian do serve, so could quite happily co-exist with the MAN incumbents. If EZY/RYR don't want to serve those routes, then frankly, let someone in that will.
Could there be slight over-capacity to places like TFS/PMI/AGP? Yes, but, its not like its never happened before?
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I think All name taken is right about the angst, but this may well be an anxiety for the new at MAN. The share of North Westerners on today's DY flights to/from MAN is next to nothing. DY has noted these conservative and also partly nationalistic attitudes in the North West. LGW and London it is very different from MAN and the North West - at LGW the quality of the service also plays a vital role, not only the price tag. The first quarter this year Norwegian had 10% of the passengers on international flights from LGW, up from 6% one year earlier (these numbers are according to DY). Of the 52% growth in passenger numbers around half of it was on the new non-Nordic destinations from LGW, partly with LGW based aircraft and British crew. The other half was from Scandinavia, but there too LGW based aircraft and crew flew a large share of the added capacity.
The added capacity this year is 14 new B738, but at the same time 5 old B733 and 3 old B738 (from the LN-NO_ sersies) will be retired. Next year the capacity growth will be lower with only 8 more B738 and the last 5 old B733 retired. It looks like 2015 will be a year of consolidation. 2016 on the other hand looks like be next year with a significant capacity growth with 4 new B789 and 17 new B738 + maybe 4 A320 neo at the end of the year.
The added capacity this year is 14 new B738, but at the same time 5 old B733 and 3 old B738 (from the LN-NO_ sersies) will be retired. Next year the capacity growth will be lower with only 8 more B738 and the last 5 old B733 retired. It looks like 2015 will be a year of consolidation. 2016 on the other hand looks like be next year with a significant capacity growth with 4 new B789 and 17 new B738 + maybe 4 A320 neo at the end of the year.
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A lot of the routes you quoted LAX_LHR are indeed either saturated and/or low yielding so what I meant was that Norwegian would not benefit from dumping capacity on routes such as TFS (which are saturated...trust me), the incumbent operators, of which there are many, wouldn't benefit and if carriers start dropping routes then the airport doesn't benefit either.
As for Easyjet (obviously you're taking my comments as being tribal) they have been operating many of the saturated routes for many years. 2005 in some cases. Plus they also launched much needed routes for MAN including ATH and SXF and thinner routes like BIO. Now if Norwegian were to do the same then that is welcome but do we need more capacity on TFS/LPA/IBZ/PMI etc ???? No. And if Norwegian were to offer these routes they may struggle. They just aren't a strong enough brand to operate such routes ex MAN (or anywhere else in Northern England) in my opinion.
A lot of the routes you quoted LAX_LHR are indeed either saturated and/or low yielding so what I meant was that Norwegian would not benefit from dumping capacity on routes such as TFS (which are saturated...trust me), the incumbent operators, of which there are many, wouldn't benefit and if carriers start dropping routes then the airport doesn't benefit either.
As for Easyjet (obviously you're taking my comments as being tribal) they have been operating many of the saturated routes for many years. 2005 in some cases. Plus they also launched much needed routes for MAN including ATH and SXF and thinner routes like BIO. Now if Norwegian were to do the same then that is welcome but do we need more capacity on TFS/LPA/IBZ/PMI etc ???? No. And if Norwegian were to offer these routes they may struggle. They just aren't a strong enough brand to operate such routes ex MAN (or anywhere else in Northern England) in my opinion.
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Agree there Easyflyer.
Having flown both EZY and DY, the alleged difference in product quality is much less than people would have you believe.
I may also have been misunderstood.
I don't have a problem with DY setting up a base - why would I? - it would bring new (British based) jobs and investment. However flying in from a Canaries base on an over-served route seems pointless.
Plenty of other under-served or even un-served routes to go at.
And LN-KGL - how well do you know England? The North - Conservative and nationalistic? - I think you're completely wrong about that.
Anyway, signing off - work to do.
Having flown both EZY and DY, the alleged difference in product quality is much less than people would have you believe.
I may also have been misunderstood.
I don't have a problem with DY setting up a base - why would I? - it would bring new (British based) jobs and investment. However flying in from a Canaries base on an over-served route seems pointless.
Plenty of other under-served or even un-served routes to go at.
And LN-KGL - how well do you know England? The North - Conservative and nationalistic? - I think you're completely wrong about that.
Anyway, signing off - work to do.
I've not flown DY so I can't comment personally. I have heard that despite the free wifi offering that the service is very similar. Although I do like their cabins.
I think what LN-KGL meant by conservative is "they know what they want and know what they like". I don't think he meant they are all tory supporters.
I'm a proud Northerner but northerners can, rightly or wrongly, be rather suspicious of the new/unknown.
I'm trying to explain that without sounding offensive.
I think what LN-KGL meant by conservative is "they know what they want and know what they like". I don't think he meant they are all tory supporters.
I'm a proud Northerner but northerners can, rightly or wrongly, be rather suspicious of the new/unknown.
I'm trying to explain that without sounding offensive.
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In an unscientific poll of one (ie me) the respondent struggled to think of any advertising they have seem from Norwegian in my area of South Manchester. With so few flights, word of mouth isn't going to get round very quickly either. I don't know about the advertising they have round Gatwick's catchments area, but with the much greater volume of flights they operate there they will have become more widely known much quicker.
Ryanair for one seem to be doing quite well from 'conservative and nationalistic' north westerners, despite being quite a recent option for most of their destinations (apart from Dublin). They also advertise a lot......
Ryanair for one seem to be doing quite well from 'conservative and nationalistic' north westerners, despite being quite a recent option for most of their destinations (apart from Dublin). They also advertise a lot......
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I must strongly disagree with your assertion that folks in NW England avoid Norwegian for "nationalistic" reasons. This is just plain wrong. As you know, overseas carriers do extremely well out of MAN when there is strong awareness of their product offering and demand for the destinations offered. Look no further than the MEB3 for evidence of this. And within Europe, frequency increases by carriers such as THY Turkish and TAP Portugal also demonstrate the market's willingness to fly with overseas carriers. Are you suggesting that NW England customers are biased against Norwegians in particular but are fine with Arabs, Turks and Portuguese? This reasoning makes no sense in reality.
Norwegian's challenges ex-MAN lie elsewhere. Specifically, Scandinavia is served ex-MAN by SAS, "British Airways" [to the consumer, Sun-Air to us!], EasyJet and Ryanair as well as Norwegian. I put it to you that all four of these brands are significantly better known in NW England than DY. Most people here are familiar with SAS; BA, Ryanair and EasyJet enjoy very strong market recognition. Norwegian Air Shuttle … not so much. The problem for DY is not prejudice against their nationality, it is market awareness of their existence and of what they do.
The other factor influencing DY's penetration at MAN is that they serve only routes to Scandinavia itself. Beautiful destinations, yes, but also extremely expensive ones for those who count their savings in GBP. Also, Scandinavian cities are cultural destinations ideal for upmarket city breaks, but they will not appeal to the large 'sunseeker' market.
If Norwegian does eventually elect to venture into the MAN - Mediterranean market, they will find zero resistance based on nationality or provincialism. They will, however, have to create brand-awareness to differentiate themselves from widely-recognised strong incumbent carriers such as EZY, RYR, MON, EXS, TOM, TCX and all the rest.
Norwegian Air Shuttle does offer a great product in the cabin. But few folks in NW England know that. And only those traveling to Scandinavia need take an interest anyway. That is nothing to do with conservatism or nationalism. It is about product-awareness … nothing more.
I must strongly disagree with your assertion that folks in NW England avoid Norwegian for "nationalistic" reasons. This is just plain wrong. As you know, overseas carriers do extremely well out of MAN when there is strong awareness of their product offering and demand for the destinations offered. Look no further than the MEB3 for evidence of this. And within Europe, frequency increases by carriers such as THY Turkish and TAP Portugal also demonstrate the market's willingness to fly with overseas carriers. Are you suggesting that NW England customers are biased against Norwegians in particular but are fine with Arabs, Turks and Portuguese? This reasoning makes no sense in reality.
Norwegian's challenges ex-MAN lie elsewhere. Specifically, Scandinavia is served ex-MAN by SAS, "British Airways" [to the consumer, Sun-Air to us!], EasyJet and Ryanair as well as Norwegian. I put it to you that all four of these brands are significantly better known in NW England than DY. Most people here are familiar with SAS; BA, Ryanair and EasyJet enjoy very strong market recognition. Norwegian Air Shuttle … not so much. The problem for DY is not prejudice against their nationality, it is market awareness of their existence and of what they do.
The other factor influencing DY's penetration at MAN is that they serve only routes to Scandinavia itself. Beautiful destinations, yes, but also extremely expensive ones for those who count their savings in GBP. Also, Scandinavian cities are cultural destinations ideal for upmarket city breaks, but they will not appeal to the large 'sunseeker' market.
If Norwegian does eventually elect to venture into the MAN - Mediterranean market, they will find zero resistance based on nationality or provincialism. They will, however, have to create brand-awareness to differentiate themselves from widely-recognised strong incumbent carriers such as EZY, RYR, MON, EXS, TOM, TCX and all the rest.
Norwegian Air Shuttle does offer a great product in the cabin. But few folks in NW England know that. And only those traveling to Scandinavia need take an interest anyway. That is nothing to do with conservatism or nationalism. It is about product-awareness … nothing more.
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The share of North Westerners on today's DY flights to/from MAN is next to nothing. DY has noted these conservative and also partly nationalistic attitudes in the North West.
er , hang on there .....nationalistic attitudes, cannot let that one pass ?
We are not living under the umbrella of The Reichstag up here !
50% of the time I suspect your typical passenger has not but a clue who they are flying with unless its RYR, EZY , Emirates etc who have a strong brand offering and identity.
You could try an innovative approach, advertising !
Try letting people know you run these services......that would help.
er , hang on there .....nationalistic attitudes, cannot let that one pass ?
We are not living under the umbrella of The Reichstag up here !
50% of the time I suspect your typical passenger has not but a clue who they are flying with unless its RYR, EZY , Emirates etc who have a strong brand offering and identity.
You could try an innovative approach, advertising !
Try letting people know you run these services......that would help.
re Norwegian - a consistent flight schedule might also help - maybe fly to the same place on the same day at the same time for more than a couple of weeks??
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Greater Manchester councils get £30m windfall from airport - Manchester Evening News
(I know, I know...)
Other news:
Greater Manchester councils get £30m windfall from airport - Manchester Evening News
MAG is also close to securing a direct service to mainland China, as well as looking to win more routes to the west coast of America and other high-growth markets.
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Well put. I feel that your sentiments equally apply to the failure of the Liverpool to Copenhagen route. Little advertising until the route was dead on its feet and a strong alternative in terms of brand and frequency at Manchester. DY will have to invest more in front end advertising if they are to expand successfully in North West.
Well put. I feel that your sentiments equally apply to the failure of the Liverpool to Copenhagen route. Little advertising until the route was dead on its feet and a strong alternative in terms of brand and frequency at Manchester. DY will have to invest more in front end advertising if they are to expand successfully in North West.
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Stockholm and Copenhagen are nice places to visit but pricey,cold in the winter and in competition with lots of other cultural cities. Finite markets which are not particularly easy to grow. Nothing to do with nationalism, something to do with wallets.
Colleague at work Chester, off to Singapore with SIA....
Only issue, driving down m56 25mins, but then turning hard right for 4 hours for LHR.
That's interesting Bagso. How far ahead did he book ?? I've been looking at fares to MAN from overseas for my Christmas trip, and the SQ site only offered me the direct flight to MAN. I was surprised to find it was also the cheapest option I looked at. However for a relatively small amount I was able to get a slightly more flexible ticket on EK which allows cancellation if necessary and advance seat selection, both of which are important to me.
Maybe with SQ it's just a case of once MAN has filled it's allocation of cheap seats on SQ327/328 it defaults to the next cheapest option which happens to be via LHR ? SQ327/328 is only once a day and Munich must take a sizeable chunk of the seats since LH pulled their own MUC-SIN flight.
Hopefully SQ will upgrade MAN to nonstop again at some point when they have the right equipment available. They don't want to leave it too long though with CX now offering a nonstop product from the Far East.
Only issue, driving down m56 25mins, but then turning hard right for 4 hours for LHR.
That's interesting Bagso. How far ahead did he book ?? I've been looking at fares to MAN from overseas for my Christmas trip, and the SQ site only offered me the direct flight to MAN. I was surprised to find it was also the cheapest option I looked at. However for a relatively small amount I was able to get a slightly more flexible ticket on EK which allows cancellation if necessary and advance seat selection, both of which are important to me.
Maybe with SQ it's just a case of once MAN has filled it's allocation of cheap seats on SQ327/328 it defaults to the next cheapest option which happens to be via LHR ? SQ327/328 is only once a day and Munich must take a sizeable chunk of the seats since LH pulled their own MUC-SIN flight.
Hopefully SQ will upgrade MAN to nonstop again at some point when they have the right equipment available. They don't want to leave it too long though with CX now offering a nonstop product from the Far East.
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It was apparently booked via "an agent".
Departure date was late Aug or September I think.
I thought at first they had been booked direct on the London flights without ref to Manchester but a bit of quizzing suggested that they had indeed been offered Manchester but it was a £600 saving for 2 if they flew from London.
I should add it was actually first class as was part of a wedding holiday package with an onward connection to Bali.
Even so, we have the airport, we have the flight but still lose out due excess capacity and a degree of fare dumping due supply and demand.
Whatever the circumstances and im sure some on here will justify it, it is a completely barmy scenario !
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"Massive council windfall"
“The announcement of the first direct link between Manchester and China was significant and we have continued to perform well adding long-haul routes such as Charlotte, Jeddah, and Toronto at Manchester for this Summer.
Where would we be without the brazen soundbites offered and then so deliciously gobbled up by the M E N
Indeed all damn jolly stuff and a good excuse to crack open the Champagne or as some Southerners might suggest, twang your braces and have a
Brown Ale !
But wait, maybe that spokesperson should have placed emphasis on the longevity of "sun routes" stretching into late October with less focus on those long haul routes ?
Charlotte is summer only, a short season, AND some suggest it "may" have a shelf life which is completely out of the airports control !
I would add as an aside that it always intrigues me that some of these "business routes" are cut in winter as indeed this will be, does the UK and USA only actually do business May to September ?
Toronto must be the shortest schedule in the history of a long haul service anywhere ! My goodness it only started two weeks ago and will almost be gone before the next bank holiday !
Jeddah, hardly a roaring success, if rumours are to be believed capacity is slashed from August after just 4 months and this at the very start of the Hajj , pilgrimage season when both flights should be absolutely bouncing given the massive opportunities in our catchment area.
ten out of ten for generating oodles of cash
four out of ten for focusing on wrong criteria........ especially if they are all gone by this time next year, unlikely BUT nonetheless possible !
PS ....my "one-man and his dog" haranguing of marketing appears to have embarrassed them into action , in recent weeks their twitter feed (110K followers) has at last started mentioning airlines, services, and frequency to other destinations rather than just our much vaunted Hong Kong route , rejoice !
Departure date was late Aug or September I think.
I thought at first they had been booked direct on the London flights without ref to Manchester but a bit of quizzing suggested that they had indeed been offered Manchester but it was a £600 saving for 2 if they flew from London.
I should add it was actually first class as was part of a wedding holiday package with an onward connection to Bali.
Even so, we have the airport, we have the flight but still lose out due excess capacity and a degree of fare dumping due supply and demand.
Whatever the circumstances and im sure some on here will justify it, it is a completely barmy scenario !
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M.E.N.
"Massive council windfall"
“The announcement of the first direct link between Manchester and China was significant and we have continued to perform well adding long-haul routes such as Charlotte, Jeddah, and Toronto at Manchester for this Summer.
Where would we be without the brazen soundbites offered and then so deliciously gobbled up by the M E N
Indeed all damn jolly stuff and a good excuse to crack open the Champagne or as some Southerners might suggest, twang your braces and have a
Brown Ale !
But wait, maybe that spokesperson should have placed emphasis on the longevity of "sun routes" stretching into late October with less focus on those long haul routes ?
Charlotte is summer only, a short season, AND some suggest it "may" have a shelf life which is completely out of the airports control !
I would add as an aside that it always intrigues me that some of these "business routes" are cut in winter as indeed this will be, does the UK and USA only actually do business May to September ?
Toronto must be the shortest schedule in the history of a long haul service anywhere ! My goodness it only started two weeks ago and will almost be gone before the next bank holiday !
Jeddah, hardly a roaring success, if rumours are to be believed capacity is slashed from August after just 4 months and this at the very start of the Hajj , pilgrimage season when both flights should be absolutely bouncing given the massive opportunities in our catchment area.
ten out of ten for generating oodles of cash
four out of ten for focusing on wrong criteria........ especially if they are all gone by this time next year, unlikely BUT nonetheless possible !
PS ....my "one-man and his dog" haranguing of marketing appears to have embarrassed them into action , in recent weeks their twitter feed (110K followers) has at last started mentioning airlines, services, and frequency to other destinations rather than just our much vaunted Hong Kong route , rejoice !
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There was a complaint recently about T2 and Thomson check in and the delays with it and security.
Just to give an alternative account, last Monday 7th I was due to fly out on TOM156 at 10.30, left home at 6.45 a.m. for the 50 minute drive to the airport and there was an accident near Rochdale on the M62 and as a consequence did not arrive in the airport car park till 9.00 a.m. Whilst it could be argued that was plenty of time, still last minute for me.
Walked into T2 and there were plenty of Thomson desks open, went straight to the bag drop, no queue, up to security and was through immediately with no delay.
Arrived back yesterday, aeroplane was at the gate at 6.15 a.m. I was out of the terminal door at 6.45 a.m. with my baggage amongst the last through.
On a separate note, flew on the new Dreamliner (G-TUIE), whilst the leg room is significantly improved on the 767 for example I was slightly underwhelmed by the aeroplane itself, I was looking forward to the experience and came away a little deflated, certainly not as impressive as the first time I flew on the A380.
Just to give an alternative account, last Monday 7th I was due to fly out on TOM156 at 10.30, left home at 6.45 a.m. for the 50 minute drive to the airport and there was an accident near Rochdale on the M62 and as a consequence did not arrive in the airport car park till 9.00 a.m. Whilst it could be argued that was plenty of time, still last minute for me.
Walked into T2 and there were plenty of Thomson desks open, went straight to the bag drop, no queue, up to security and was through immediately with no delay.
Arrived back yesterday, aeroplane was at the gate at 6.15 a.m. I was out of the terminal door at 6.45 a.m. with my baggage amongst the last through.
On a separate note, flew on the new Dreamliner (G-TUIE), whilst the leg room is significantly improved on the 767 for example I was slightly underwhelmed by the aeroplane itself, I was looking forward to the experience and came away a little deflated, certainly not as impressive as the first time I flew on the A380.
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On the Belfast thread a few days ago, it was announced that GLA-LAS and BFS-MCO would start, with 'changes to MAN'.
Now that its been announced that GLA-LAS and BFS-MCO will be a short series of flights, Im safely assuming that the aircraft to run these comes from MAN, given the 'changes to MAN' comment?
Now that its been announced that GLA-LAS and BFS-MCO will be a short series of flights, Im safely assuming that the aircraft to run these comes from MAN, given the 'changes to MAN' comment?
I think the problem with TOM is that if there are a number of flights departing at the same time everyone turns up for check in at the same time. Why? Because many charter pax still think that if they aren't there 2 hours before they won't be able to fly whilst many also see the airport as part of the holiday experience. Of course nearly all TOM pax will have a bag to check in given the length they are away.
Compare that to an airline with a mixture of holiday and business routes where fewer people check bags and the influx of pax tend to be spread over the time up to departure.
As for the Dreamliner, TOM IMO have oversold the aircraft. Technically I'm sure it will be a game changer. Ultimately for the average pax though it is just another aircraft. Having flown 4 times on the A380 I feel the same about that aircraft. Sure it looks impressive and somewhat unique from the outside but once you've sat on it for a few hours it is just a modern 747.
Compare that to an airline with a mixture of holiday and business routes where fewer people check bags and the influx of pax tend to be spread over the time up to departure.
As for the Dreamliner, TOM IMO have oversold the aircraft. Technically I'm sure it will be a game changer. Ultimately for the average pax though it is just another aircraft. Having flown 4 times on the A380 I feel the same about that aircraft. Sure it looks impressive and somewhat unique from the outside but once you've sat on it for a few hours it is just a modern 747.
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Originally Posted by easyflyer83
I think the problem with TOM is that if there are a number of flights departing at the same time everyone turns up for check in at the same time. Why? Because many charter pax still think that if they aren't there 2 hours before they won't be able to fly whilst many also see the airport as part of the holiday experience. Of course nearly all TOM pax will have a bag to check in given the length they are away.
Compare that to an airline with a mixture of holiday and business routes where fewer people check bags and the influx of pax tend to be spread over the time up to departure.
As for the Dreamliner, TOM IMO have oversold the aircraft. Technically I'm sure it will be a game changer. Ultimately for the average pax though it is just another aircraft. Having flown 4 times on the A380 I feel the same about that aircraft. Sure it looks impressive and somewhat unique from the outside but once you've sat on it for a few hours it is just a modern 747.
Compare that to an airline with a mixture of holiday and business routes where fewer people check bags and the influx of pax tend to be spread over the time up to departure.
As for the Dreamliner, TOM IMO have oversold the aircraft. Technically I'm sure it will be a game changer. Ultimately for the average pax though it is just another aircraft. Having flown 4 times on the A380 I feel the same about that aircraft. Sure it looks impressive and somewhat unique from the outside but once you've sat on it for a few hours it is just a modern 747.
Having a 787 gives them a competitive edge over every single other airline that might fly to those destinations. If I had a choice of flying to Mexico or any other long haul destination I would choose it everytime, it is by a country mile a superior product to any other offering. It is only right they should oversell it as much as possible because it really does beat everything out there in that market.
I flew on the A380 to DXB last year and I have to say the same about the A380, the economy experience is beyond anything I have ever experienced before. Compare economy on the A380 with the 77W I returned to Manchester on and there is just no contest.
Both the 787 and A380 are stunning aircraft and excellent examples of what the future holds for the average traveller who can get a level of comfort they won't have seen before. I have travelled on both and they both have two product offerings there to be very proud of.
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Without knowing the dates of Bagso's friends' travel, it's impossible to verify, but it's likely that LHR is that much cheaper than MAN due to seat availability, as Logohu suggests.
Contrary to popular belief, when a flight first goes on sale, there are seats available from both MAN and LHR services at exactly the same price for almost every long haul airline, although the carrier can/will control the number of seats available on each flight at the lowest advertised price.
In the case of SQ we have the added MUC factor. If we assume that half of the available MAN seats are blocked for MUC originating traffic, then MAN to LHR's ratio of seats is 1
, aircraft size excepted.
So the fact that Bagso's friend was quoted a premium to fly from MAN is in fact a credit to the Manchester SQ operation's success. The fact that SQ's yield department feel that MAN can justify a supplement over LHR is again a testament to MAN's worthiness. A sufficient number of people are paying the premium to fly SQ from Manchester, so Bagso's friend would have had to pay extra for one of the remaining seats. And some people will! That's how the market works.
Without knowing the dates of Bagso's friends' travel, it's impossible to verify, but it's likely that LHR is that much cheaper than MAN due to seat availability, as Logohu suggests.
Contrary to popular belief, when a flight first goes on sale, there are seats available from both MAN and LHR services at exactly the same price for almost every long haul airline, although the carrier can/will control the number of seats available on each flight at the lowest advertised price.
In the case of SQ we have the added MUC factor. If we assume that half of the available MAN seats are blocked for MUC originating traffic, then MAN to LHR's ratio of seats is 1
, aircraft size excepted.So the fact that Bagso's friend was quoted a premium to fly from MAN is in fact a credit to the Manchester SQ operation's success. The fact that SQ's yield department feel that MAN can justify a supplement over LHR is again a testament to MAN's worthiness. A sufficient number of people are paying the premium to fly SQ from Manchester, so Bagso's friend would have had to pay extra for one of the remaining seats. And some people will! That's how the market works.
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Quoting LAX LHR re BFS-MCO and GLA-LAS
"Im safely assuming that the aircraft to run these comes from MAN, given the 'changes to MAN' comment?"
Afraid this was my immediate reaction a few days ago when these services were first reported. The Belfast flights are on Thursdays when we have an MCO and a LAS flight. Virgin having previously chopped our winter LAS service and with competition from TCX, I wonder if we may lose that altogether. However, over 15,000 pax flew the route in June but I don't know the split between airlines. I would have thought VS did well in Business from MAN (certain footballers for example?) so it would be disappointing if they did pull the route.
MCO was also well up in June but I think part of this was TOM? switching from the other Orlando airport.
Edit: It would appear that the series of GLA-LAS is also on a Thursday after the BFS-MCO flights.
"Im safely assuming that the aircraft to run these comes from MAN, given the 'changes to MAN' comment?"
Afraid this was my immediate reaction a few days ago when these services were first reported. The Belfast flights are on Thursdays when we have an MCO and a LAS flight. Virgin having previously chopped our winter LAS service and with competition from TCX, I wonder if we may lose that altogether. However, over 15,000 pax flew the route in June but I don't know the split between airlines. I would have thought VS did well in Business from MAN (certain footballers for example?) so it would be disappointing if they did pull the route.
MCO was also well up in June but I think part of this was TOM? switching from the other Orlando airport.
Edit: It would appear that the series of GLA-LAS is also on a Thursday after the BFS-MCO flights.