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Manchester-Waterford
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The flight is not bookable after 25th October. This happened earlier in the year and both flights were removed from sale and then later re-instated.
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Bhx thread suggests Manchester Waterford is canned in Oct.
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I just wish flybe were as proactive at MAN as they are at BHX in terms of routes to mainland Europe. Sure, we've an extensive domestic route network which hopefully also provides some transfer pax, but there are still some unserved European routes that might be viable. Stuttgart and one or two French cities being obvious examples.
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but there are still some unserved European routes that might be viable.
Stuttgart and one or two French cities being obvious examples
Stuttgart and one or two French cities being obvious examples
However, I'm slightly cautious about their expansion. They were in quite bad financial shape, and cut bases left right and centre. They seem to have gone all out on expansion at BHX/SEN, and left wondering if that will pay off in the long run. Expansion is good, but, that was a LOT of expansion.
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A greater financial concern is FlyBe's expansion plan at LCY. The SEN operation is basically a Stobart Air programme franchised as FlyBe … presumably Stobart will bear the risk there.
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FlyBe's financial problems were massively eased by their recent share placement. But the previous management did have a habit of burning cash, including the original BA dowry and the proceeds of the first IPO. Hopefully the new management team will pay more attention to cash flow, but I agree that the LCY venture seems doomed to fail.
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Tripoli Schedules
With compelling news stories concerning Ukraine and Gaza dominating the headlines, it may have escaped the notice of many that the civil war in Libya has hotted up again. Recent battles between rival factions seeking control of Tripoli Airport have resulted in a reported 47 dead and 120 injured. Several aircraft have been damaged or destroyed, some hit by RPG's. One source suggests that MAN regular TS-INN is amongst the damaged aircraft.
I suspect that the Libyan Airlines MAN-TIP scheduled service will be taking another lengthy sabbatical, but I would love to be proven wrong on this.
I suspect that the Libyan Airlines MAN-TIP scheduled service will be taking another lengthy sabbatical, but I would love to be proven wrong on this.
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Just thinking about MANFODs concerns re Airport City...
I do think this was somewhat telling and was announced few weeks back.... it missed our small portal !
New DHL facility at Manchester cost £100 m
DHL facility "extension" at EMA cost £120 m
We have much back slapping and champagne corks popping re Airport City but this puts things in context
Until we see some mega deals its a bit like the Greg Dykes denial syndrome reflecting on the World Cup,
"Roy Hodgson is a wonderful manager" REALLY ?
I tend to be in the "Geoff Boycott" camp if your assessment is that you believe the cups half empty, you are complacent and should be constantly looking to ways to improve !
I do think this was somewhat telling and was announced few weeks back.... it missed our small portal !
New DHL facility at Manchester cost £100 m
DHL facility "extension" at EMA cost £120 m
We have much back slapping and champagne corks popping re Airport City but this puts things in context
Until we see some mega deals its a bit like the Greg Dykes denial syndrome reflecting on the World Cup,
"Roy Hodgson is a wonderful manager" REALLY ?
I tend to be in the "Geoff Boycott" camp if your assessment is that you believe the cups half empty, you are complacent and should be constantly looking to ways to improve !
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I hear that northern cities local authorities will respond to Osborne HS3 proposal next month.
Plans include Leeds, Sheffield and Liverpool all being 30 mins by rail to Manchester airport.
Also hear plans have cross party support in Whitehall.
Plans include Leeds, Sheffield and Liverpool all being 30 mins by rail to Manchester airport.
Also hear plans have cross party support in Whitehall.
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£100m DHL Investment ! Really ?
I must confess that's what I thought but a few links one of which I have attached here suggests as much.
I think the leader writers have clearly got there knickers in a twist regarding the overall investment in airport city and the DHL facility.
DHL to open £100m logistics hub at Manchester?s new Airport City
As you can see above it quite clearly states £100m in the headline !
By contrast other articles including the airports own blurb suggest that the whole of Airport City south is only £100m see below
Latest News & Updates | Airport City Manchester
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Must confess when you hear of the DHL investment at EMA which is after all "only a wee extension" and then look at the comparative investment in terms of mega £s at Manchester I do wonder what we are actually getting ?
They seem to have levelled a good chunk of green belt simply for a fairly basic level of storage/ warehousing.
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Regarding HS3 and 30 mins to Man Airport ...
Does this not suggest the planning of all this is a complete balls up ?
We have HS2 offering the promise of fast transfers from a station near Hale, which effectively will offer the option of high speed transfer for former Manchester passengers to Heathrow (assuming they build the spur) in 1h 8mins.
As I have said before , unless Manchester expands to same rate as LHR (not likely) why would you actually then use Manchester when HS2 is built ?
Does the Man airport USP not erode ?
OK there will still be charters , Lo cost at Man but whose is to say they won't have appeared at LHR by then ?
With investment in a 3rd Runway to pay for absolutely no reason why this won't happen !
Certainly if the focus was on long haul scheduled traffic you would take option of hopping on a train at Hale and get the access to higher frequency, cheaper fares, increased destinations would you not ?
But now (whilst very welcome) we have HS3 offering 30 min tfr into Manchester Airport from the other direction !
In effect passengers from Liverpool , Leeds and Sheffield will be funneled into a central station at the airport itself
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as I would describe it the hole left by Mancunians who presumably have just caught the 930am express to Heathrow from Hale !
It all seems a bit disjointed and ill thought out to me !
Everyone seems to be looking at their own bit in total isolation to whats going on next door !
I must confess that's what I thought but a few links one of which I have attached here suggests as much.
I think the leader writers have clearly got there knickers in a twist regarding the overall investment in airport city and the DHL facility.
DHL to open £100m logistics hub at Manchester?s new Airport City
As you can see above it quite clearly states £100m in the headline !
By contrast other articles including the airports own blurb suggest that the whole of Airport City south is only £100m see below
Latest News & Updates | Airport City Manchester
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Must confess when you hear of the DHL investment at EMA which is after all "only a wee extension" and then look at the comparative investment in terms of mega £s at Manchester I do wonder what we are actually getting ?
They seem to have levelled a good chunk of green belt simply for a fairly basic level of storage/ warehousing.
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Regarding HS3 and 30 mins to Man Airport ...
Does this not suggest the planning of all this is a complete balls up ?
We have HS2 offering the promise of fast transfers from a station near Hale, which effectively will offer the option of high speed transfer for former Manchester passengers to Heathrow (assuming they build the spur) in 1h 8mins.
As I have said before , unless Manchester expands to same rate as LHR (not likely) why would you actually then use Manchester when HS2 is built ?
Does the Man airport USP not erode ?
OK there will still be charters , Lo cost at Man but whose is to say they won't have appeared at LHR by then ?
With investment in a 3rd Runway to pay for absolutely no reason why this won't happen !
Certainly if the focus was on long haul scheduled traffic you would take option of hopping on a train at Hale and get the access to higher frequency, cheaper fares, increased destinations would you not ?
But now (whilst very welcome) we have HS3 offering 30 min tfr into Manchester Airport from the other direction !
In effect passengers from Liverpool , Leeds and Sheffield will be funneled into a central station at the airport itself
OR
as I would describe it the hole left by Mancunians who presumably have just caught the 930am express to Heathrow from Hale !
It all seems a bit disjointed and ill thought out to me !
Everyone seems to be looking at their own bit in total isolation to whats going on next door !
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The Heathrow spur won't happen, people will be expected to transfer to Crossrail at Old Oak Common.
HS2 and HS3 are primarily about connecting people economies, take off your aviation glasses see exactly is given existing tracks south full.
It's odd in over 4 years all those who think HS2 is a bad thing haven't offered any alternative that's better joined up, costs less causes disruption.
Maybe the alternatives don't exist.
HS2 and HS3 are primarily about connecting people economies, take off your aviation glasses see exactly is given existing tracks south full.
It's odd in over 4 years all those who think HS2 is a bad thing haven't offered any alternative that's better joined up, costs less causes disruption.
Maybe the alternatives don't exist.
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Although comparing the value of different investment projects can perhaps be misleading at times, it can also put an interesting perspective on things.
Airport City has been quoted I believe as an investment of £650m or £800m and either figure sounded a heck of a lot of money when first announced, but then seems very modest when compared with the sort of sums projected for HS2 or indeed Crossrail currently in the great metropolis.
The logistics hub at MAN according to the MAG article involves over 90 acres of land but 40% of that is for habitats and landscaping. My understanding was that the whole project was £100m and that DHL is just the first tenant. Have I got that wrong? If that is the case, and DHL is only part of it, their investment at MAN, as Bagso suggests, does appear very modest compared to the 'extension' at EMA given as £150m.
I guess it's easy to get impatient with longer term projects but I can't help feeling the initial momentum with Airport City has slowed somewhat with the focus shifting more to the Northern Hub, HS2/3 and other rail projects, and the concept of a Northern cities powerhouse.
Airport City has been quoted I believe as an investment of £650m or £800m and either figure sounded a heck of a lot of money when first announced, but then seems very modest when compared with the sort of sums projected for HS2 or indeed Crossrail currently in the great metropolis.
The logistics hub at MAN according to the MAG article involves over 90 acres of land but 40% of that is for habitats and landscaping. My understanding was that the whole project was £100m and that DHL is just the first tenant. Have I got that wrong? If that is the case, and DHL is only part of it, their investment at MAN, as Bagso suggests, does appear very modest compared to the 'extension' at EMA given as £150m.
I guess it's easy to get impatient with longer term projects but I can't help feeling the initial momentum with Airport City has slowed somewhat with the focus shifting more to the Northern Hub, HS2/3 and other rail projects, and the concept of a Northern cities powerhouse.
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North West battles for £1m of free advertising
Northern regions battle it out for Heathrow?s £1m of free advertising - Prolific North
OR we could mention that we have a major gateway airport on the doorstep for Lake District, Peak District etc
Words fail me !
And look whose leading the charge, the bloody Tourism Minister !
Where on earth is the challenges / opposition from Manchester airport and our MPs who should be kicking down the door of this imbecile !
That said this is same person who welcomed Birminghams new scheduled service to China on her twitter feed !
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I'll take off my "Aviation glasses" when somebody comes up with an ounce of common sense !
see contradictions re HS3 and HS2 in my last
It not just a case of build and be damned its about joined up thinking and strategic plan !
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Routes have just officially announced the cancellation of Flynas.
But hang on there is good news ........
Man Airport have been heavily "marketing" a 10% discount voucher off breakfasts per twitter feed !
If it can be done for breakfasts maybe, just maybe it can be done for actual services
Northern regions battle it out for Heathrow?s £1m of free advertising - Prolific North
OR we could mention that we have a major gateway airport on the doorstep for Lake District, Peak District etc
Words fail me !
And look whose leading the charge, the bloody Tourism Minister !
Where on earth is the challenges / opposition from Manchester airport and our MPs who should be kicking down the door of this imbecile !
That said this is same person who welcomed Birminghams new scheduled service to China on her twitter feed !
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I'll take off my "Aviation glasses" when somebody comes up with an ounce of common sense !
see contradictions re HS3 and HS2 in my last
It not just a case of build and be damned its about joined up thinking and strategic plan !
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Routes have just officially announced the cancellation of Flynas.
But hang on there is good news ........
Man Airport have been heavily "marketing" a 10% discount voucher off breakfasts per twitter feed !
If it can be done for breakfasts maybe, just maybe it can be done for actual services
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DHL -Hope this helps
The two largest-scale investments will be at the firm's East Midlands Airport hub (£90 million) and Southern hub site near Heathrow (£32 million).
Sites in Manchester, Croydon and Sheffield will see changes to their infrastructure including additional warehousing, sorting facilities and operational processes to improve international trade, cut transit times and drive more efficient supply chains for UK businesses. The investment will be made by 2016.
Ken Allen, chief executive of DHL Express, said: "This investment in the UK forms a key part of DHL's global growth and service improvement strategy, following the recent investment of 177 million US dollars (£103 million) in the Middle East.
"With ongoing growth in the US and the development of our European hub in Leipzig, we're strengthening our leadership position through improved service capabilities."
Chancellor George Osborne said: "I am delighted that DHL is continuing to invest in the UK, supporting the growing number of British businesses selling their products abroad.
"This new investment is further evidence that our long-term economic plan is working and Britain is coming back. But the job is not yet done and we must make sure the world's largest companies maintain the confidence they have regained in the UK if we are to build a resilient economy."
Phil Couchman, chief executive of DHL Express in the UK & Ireland, added: "As we celebrate DHL's 40th year in the UK, this investment demonstrates our confidence and commitment to enterprise and British export businesses."
Sites in Manchester, Croydon and Sheffield will see changes to their infrastructure including additional warehousing, sorting facilities and operational processes to improve international trade, cut transit times and drive more efficient supply chains for UK businesses. The investment will be made by 2016.
Ken Allen, chief executive of DHL Express, said: "This investment in the UK forms a key part of DHL's global growth and service improvement strategy, following the recent investment of 177 million US dollars (£103 million) in the Middle East.
"With ongoing growth in the US and the development of our European hub in Leipzig, we're strengthening our leadership position through improved service capabilities."
Chancellor George Osborne said: "I am delighted that DHL is continuing to invest in the UK, supporting the growing number of British businesses selling their products abroad.
"This new investment is further evidence that our long-term economic plan is working and Britain is coming back. But the job is not yet done and we must make sure the world's largest companies maintain the confidence they have regained in the UK if we are to build a resilient economy."
Phil Couchman, chief executive of DHL Express in the UK & Ireland, added: "As we celebrate DHL's 40th year in the UK, this investment demonstrates our confidence and commitment to enterprise and British export businesses."