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AND at risk of being a bore , sorry I told you so !
Egypt is in turmoil and in an ongoing state of counter revolution with the military at war with the Muslim Brotherhood. In all fairness Bagso, this one might not be the fault of the Manchester Airport twitter feed!
You should write them a latter bagso, a long letter detailing their faults, what they're doing wrong and your recommendations for taking forward the social media strategy team at MAG. Now I believe someone was talking about the railways?
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Ian Brooks, MAN - Chester takes over 2 hours if you change to Arriva Wales at Piccadilly. You have to take Northern Rail to Crewe and change there to Arriva Wales if you want to home in on 1 hour 30 minutes, but since this line only has an hourly departure you may well end up with an arrival at Chester station over two hours later.
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They are building platform 4 at MAN so services can be expanded but Chester is a problem as going via Piccadilly is going in the wrong direction
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Access to Chester and North Wasles (and even Liverpool) could be vastly improved by taking the reail link out to the west, joining the existing Stockport to Chester line somewhere around Altrincham of Hale. To the east, a direct link to Stockport is needed. One possibility would be a chord from the Stockport-Chester line onto the Styal line. Another would be a link from the WCML south of Cheadle Hulme, running alongside the extension of the A555 into the airport that is currently predicted to be built "soon". Combined with reinvigoration of the Stockport to Stalybridge line, either of these schemes could improve acess from Oldham, Tameside and Yorkshire.
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All 3 Thomas Cook 767's to go to Condor permanently the end of summer 2014 - now confirmed:
Thomas Cook Airlines to retire last three B767s this summer - ch-aviation.com
Thomas Cook Airlines to retire last three B767s this summer - ch-aviation.com
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Ah Skippy, was just checking my watch.
Where would we be without a good dose of scepticism from this corner of the forum !
An answer to everything but as ever a solution to nothing !
I did write to them actually, 2 years ago, and was somewhat staggered to get a reply .
I am not going to qoute the response ver batum but suffice to say it was very positive, they did indicate that the observations were "well founded" and would doubtless be acted upon as a new manager was going to be looking at that whole area in the near future.
To me that was a tacit admission that there we failings but these would be put right.
I do appreciate that Egypt is not exactly a modicum of calm, but that is not really my point, what about Flynas, Rouge or indeed Saudia.
Do all the potential passengers read this forum because from this corner of the UK it seems like that is the only way they will get to know about these services. ......
I thought you were an aviation analyst ?
I enjoy your criticism but just occasionally how about you put forward what your strategy would be I'm sure we would all be interested to hear some ideas, a vision , some creativity !
Where would we be without a good dose of scepticism from this corner of the forum !
An answer to everything but as ever a solution to nothing !
I did write to them actually, 2 years ago, and was somewhat staggered to get a reply .
I am not going to qoute the response ver batum but suffice to say it was very positive, they did indicate that the observations were "well founded" and would doubtless be acted upon as a new manager was going to be looking at that whole area in the near future.
To me that was a tacit admission that there we failings but these would be put right.
I do appreciate that Egypt is not exactly a modicum of calm, but that is not really my point, what about Flynas, Rouge or indeed Saudia.
Do all the potential passengers read this forum because from this corner of the UK it seems like that is the only way they will get to know about these services. ......
I thought you were an aviation analyst ?
I enjoy your criticism but just occasionally how about you put forward what your strategy would be I'm sure we would all be interested to hear some ideas, a vision , some creativity !
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Basil - HS2 shows perfectly how London orientated this nation is.
EVERY single northern chamber of commerce has called for it to happen asap given the critical nature of rail (track) capacity adversely affecting northern areas - see access to south Manc, no new freight paths on the WCML for example.
Evrey single northern authority, other than Wakefield, supports the scheme.
Yet it will not happen for well over a decade and the London based media are doing all they can to disrupt such a critical piece of infrastructure for the north, with southern politicians often on the media telling us they know more about the northern economies than those that do business up here.
HS2 is desperately required, but so are far better rail links east and west, so are far far bette road connections - but whilst we get a fraction of the money spent on us compared to the SE we have to wait decades for anything minimal in terms of improvements.
Basil - I assume you'd support equal funding in the NW compared to the SE whilst we have the issues like ****ty old Pacers providing commuter services, no track capacity on the WCML, regional lines into Manc from south and very slow east / west services?
What is the argument to delay bringing those services up to something like those in the south benefit from by equalling out the spend?
EVERY single northern chamber of commerce has called for it to happen asap given the critical nature of rail (track) capacity adversely affecting northern areas - see access to south Manc, no new freight paths on the WCML for example.
Evrey single northern authority, other than Wakefield, supports the scheme.
Yet it will not happen for well over a decade and the London based media are doing all they can to disrupt such a critical piece of infrastructure for the north, with southern politicians often on the media telling us they know more about the northern economies than those that do business up here.
HS2 is desperately required, but so are far better rail links east and west, so are far far bette road connections - but whilst we get a fraction of the money spent on us compared to the SE we have to wait decades for anything minimal in terms of improvements.
Basil - I assume you'd support equal funding in the NW compared to the SE whilst we have the issues like ****ty old Pacers providing commuter services, no track capacity on the WCML, regional lines into Manc from south and very slow east / west services?
What is the argument to delay bringing those services up to something like those in the south benefit from by equalling out the spend?
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I think you have me all wrong ManKurt. I'm firmly supportive of all you identify (except possibly for HS2 where I think the project is far too costly and will draw investment away from more immediate needs, while reinforcing the dominance of London).
My initial point was simply to suggest that it's more productive to identify specific ideas for better surface access, rather than complain generically about a southern bias. I think that you, Bagso and LN-KGL have all done that, so that's all good.
However, the fact that so few of your excellent proposals are currently being pushed by MAG is surely a matter for some concern! The only schemes that MAG appear to be pushing in their Davies submissions are ones that have already got approval, which seems a bit pointless and lacking in vision.
Anyway, enough train spotting for me for the time being so I think I'll draw a line under this one....
My initial point was simply to suggest that it's more productive to identify specific ideas for better surface access, rather than complain generically about a southern bias. I think that you, Bagso and LN-KGL have all done that, so that's all good.
However, the fact that so few of your excellent proposals are currently being pushed by MAG is surely a matter for some concern! The only schemes that MAG appear to be pushing in their Davies submissions are ones that have already got approval, which seems a bit pointless and lacking in vision.
Anyway, enough train spotting for me for the time being so I think I'll draw a line under this one....
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Ref HS2 - so how do you suggest we create the extra paths into S Manc on the railway, or paths on the WCML for more freight from Trafford Park etc?
Good to see you, like many other southern commentators, believe you know more about the northern economies that EVERY chamber of commerce in the north that believe this is a critical scheme for the regions economy - odd that isn't it?
With regards Manc airport, the connection (due to no paths being available) south to Crewe and beyond are very limited - major investment - see HS2 - is needed to create that extra capacity.
Access from Cheshire into the area on the mid-Cheshire line - that would serve the airport via Baguley / Metrolink - is terrible with local politicians and authorities wanting money to electrify and increase capacity on the line - yet it won't happen.
So yes, there is a huge requirement for investment in the north and HS2 shows exactly the type of reaction we get when any such major investment is planned - it's dismissed, whilst people like yourself provide no alternative options to deliver what is needed other than saying you oppose the scheme.
Good to see you, like many other southern commentators, believe you know more about the northern economies that EVERY chamber of commerce in the north that believe this is a critical scheme for the regions economy - odd that isn't it?
With regards Manc airport, the connection (due to no paths being available) south to Crewe and beyond are very limited - major investment - see HS2 - is needed to create that extra capacity.
Access from Cheshire into the area on the mid-Cheshire line - that would serve the airport via Baguley / Metrolink - is terrible with local politicians and authorities wanting money to electrify and increase capacity on the line - yet it won't happen.
So yes, there is a huge requirement for investment in the north and HS2 shows exactly the type of reaction we get when any such major investment is planned - it's dismissed, whilst people like yourself provide no alternative options to deliver what is needed other than saying you oppose the scheme.
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On the wider transport theme, but which is relevant to MAN as others have so eloquently written, is this story in today's M.E.N simply a rehash of old news or confirmation of funding for proposals and schemes which had been approved in principle?
"Greater Manchester secures £476.7m Growth Deal from government"
I imagine that sometimes one has to look for any schemes that are not on the list but which were expected to be.
"Greater Manchester secures £476.7m Growth Deal from government"
I imagine that sometimes one has to look for any schemes that are not on the list but which were expected to be.
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Much of that is new money I think.
The list of schemes have been on the wish-list for some time, now they have confirmed, approved funding.
The biggest improvements from the airport point of view that is happening (in short term - HS2 is the biggest in long term) is the Ordsall curve that adds loads of paths through the city and provides connections to the airport from far and wide (already known though).
Salford Cres is part of that.
The list of schemes have been on the wish-list for some time, now they have confirmed, approved funding.
The biggest improvements from the airport point of view that is happening (in short term - HS2 is the biggest in long term) is the Ordsall curve that adds loads of paths through the city and provides connections to the airport from far and wide (already known though).
Salford Cres is part of that.
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That's a bit harsh ManchesterKurt. I am supportive of new investment, including capacity enhancement on the WCML. I'm just not (yet) convinced that £50bn is the best value for money. I'm not alone in this - the YouGov survey suggests opponents are in the majority. Curiously, opposition is stronger in the North region than in London. So it can't easily be characterised as a North v South spat. Similar pattern when people are asked whether HS2 will benefit the North - people in London are more likely to believe that it will, as compared with those in the North.
Survey results at http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_upload...140430-HS2.pdf
I don't know who paid for the survey so (like you) I would be slightly wary of reading too much into it. And you can argue that respondents are ignorant of the facts so we should not treat it too seriously. But that's always the problem in a democracy I suppose!
For the record, although you characterise me as a "Southern commentator" I do in fact live 10 mins from the airport. And I was born and brought up here. My location is only shown as London as I haven't worked out how to change it!
Anyway, I do welcome all of this passionate debate. Pity the passion doesn't always seem to be shared by those in a position to do something about it, such as those at MAG.
Survey results at http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_upload...140430-HS2.pdf
I don't know who paid for the survey so (like you) I would be slightly wary of reading too much into it. And you can argue that respondents are ignorant of the facts so we should not treat it too seriously. But that's always the problem in a democracy I suppose!
For the record, although you characterise me as a "Southern commentator" I do in fact live 10 mins from the airport. And I was born and brought up here. My location is only shown as London as I haven't worked out how to change it!
Anyway, I do welcome all of this passionate debate. Pity the passion doesn't always seem to be shared by those in a position to do something about it, such as those at MAG.
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Is there any chance this thread could get back on topic, rather than debating HS2 and any other north-west infrastructure topic?
I know it has impact to the success of Manchester Airport, but this topic is straying into a general infrastructure moan.
I know it has impact to the success of Manchester Airport, but this topic is straying into a general infrastructure moan.
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This new long haul announcement...did anyone suggest Norwegian ?
They fit the currently serve MAN clue, and I have seen them and long haul mentioned now on two other forums.
Possibility maybe ?
They fit the currently serve MAN clue, and I have seen them and long haul mentioned now on two other forums.
Possibility maybe ?
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mickeyman did suggest it in #3353. Today we know the last two holes in the winter schedule have been filled with two weekly CPH-BKK returns. Next opening comes with the delivery of 8th B788 in April 2015. We may be in for a surprise at Farnborough - The Wall Street Journal is talking about an order of 20 more B789.
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Davies belatedly invited responses from "regional airports" to the Commission Enquiry.
Whilst I despise the term and its connotations, has anybody seen any response ?
I appreciate it may be sent under confidential but MAG normally tell the MEN whats going on airport wise !
Whilst I despise the term and its connotations, has anybody seen any response ?
I appreciate it may be sent under confidential but MAG normally tell the MEN whats going on airport wise !
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Bagso
I think you can be sure that MAG will be making a submission by the deadline of 25 July (the consultation was launched back in early June). The Commission's website states that "This call for evidence focuses on the domestic and international connectivity provided by regional airports and airports serving London and the south east other than Heathrow and Gatwick, and considers what recommendations the Commission could usefully make to shape this national picture."
This isn't the first time that Davies has requested submissions from "regional airports", but either way it's another opportunity for MAG to state its case.
For those insomniacs out there the Davies document is at https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...g-capacity.pdf
I think you can be sure that MAG will be making a submission by the deadline of 25 July (the consultation was launched back in early June). The Commission's website states that "This call for evidence focuses on the domestic and international connectivity provided by regional airports and airports serving London and the south east other than Heathrow and Gatwick, and considers what recommendations the Commission could usefully make to shape this national picture."
This isn't the first time that Davies has requested submissions from "regional airports", but either way it's another opportunity for MAG to state its case.
For those insomniacs out there the Davies document is at https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...g-capacity.pdf