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Bagso,
I think a slight re-read of the article is needed:
That to me suggests growth between now and the end of 2015, as it states over the next two years, not in two years time. Yes the end of 2015 is now a while away but there is no defined period as to when the growth will come.
I think a slight re-read of the article is needed:
The carrier said it hopes to add to its eight-strong fleet of aircraft by the
end of 2015
end of 2015
Airline easyJet today pledged further investment in its Manchester Airport operations over the next two years
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Gavin - I'd say that is the correct interpretation.
Bagso - admire your usual enthusiasm but your interpretation is definitely in the 'glass half empty' category this time.
You don't need to base an extra plane to increase services.
In fact it may suit MAN to have out-based aircraft doing services in non-peak hours rather than a couple of new based units ramming up an already creaking peak time infrastructure.
Like it or not EZY's big opportunity this year is LGW, they'd be mad not to take it.
Bagso - admire your usual enthusiasm but your interpretation is definitely in the 'glass half empty' category this time.
You don't need to base an extra plane to increase services.
In fact it may suit MAN to have out-based aircraft doing services in non-peak hours rather than a couple of new based units ramming up an already creaking peak time infrastructure.
Like it or not EZY's big opportunity this year is LGW, they'd be mad not to take it.
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Or the alternative is to take 2 of the routes operating by based aircraft and operate them from the other end e.g. Basel-MAN-Basel & Berlin-MAN-Berlin, so they can then add a couple of routes without having to place an extra aircraft at MAN now.
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DHL has signed up to over 37,000sq ft of space for a new logistics centre.
Given one of the quotes were 'this will enable our customers to send parcels internationally and faster', one would hope a freight route or two could follow the announcement.
Obviously nothing the size of EMA, but 2-3 weekly flights to Leipzig could be a start, and the way freight has been at MAN lately, every little helps. Thanks to EMA its not as if they have to build a relationship from scratch.
Given one of the quotes were 'this will enable our customers to send parcels internationally and faster', one would hope a freight route or two could follow the announcement.
Obviously nothing the size of EMA, but 2-3 weekly flights to Leipzig could be a start, and the way freight has been at MAN lately, every little helps. Thanks to EMA its not as if they have to build a relationship from scratch.
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Thanks to EMA its not as if they have to build a relationship from scratch.
Is the relationship not already in place, I may be wrong (usually am) but I thought the LH MD11s that into MAN operate via aerologic was a joint venture with DHL?
By way of scale any idea on size compared to EMA ?
I thought it was about 1/3 size of EMA facility which actually has 18 stands.
Here is the plan for Airport City North in terms of logistics BUT this is planned for Airport City South OR are they the same ?
World Logistics Hub - Airport City Manchester
Is the relationship not already in place, I may be wrong (usually am) but I thought the LH MD11s that into MAN operate via aerologic was a joint venture with DHL?
By way of scale any idea on size compared to EMA ?
I thought it was about 1/3 size of EMA facility which actually has 18 stands.
Here is the plan for Airport City North in terms of logistics BUT this is planned for Airport City South OR are they the same ?
World Logistics Hub - Airport City Manchester
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but 2-3 weekly flights to Leipzig could be a start,
And it is in Airport City South with no direct apron access, so nothing like EMA. Believe it is a replacement of a facility in Trafford Park, although I guess more modern and maybe bigger?
Airport City South, is the new logistics hub adjacent to Manchester Airport’s existing cargo centre and Junction 6 of the M56 Motorway.
Airport City North is the area North of the existing passenger terminals
Diagram here
Masterplan - Airport City Manchester
News - Airport City Manchester
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Hopefully Manchester are "actively" chasing the possible opportunities here...
WestJet dips a toe in the trans-Atlantic market with Dublin service; any prospective partners there? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
WestJet dips a toe in the trans-Atlantic market with Dublin service; any prospective partners there? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
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I posted further back that the CEO of westjet has already singled out Edinburgh and Manchester as 2 potential points in the future.
Also, one has to wonder just what MAN has to do to get a China route. Dublin seem confident Air China is about to launch on a market of 40,000 per year.
MAN-HKG alone had 136,000 passengers last year and still not a sniff of a service, let alone what the China market as a whole is worth (if HKG has 136,000 indirect passengers the China market must be 200,000+ per year). Just bizarre they have not managed to secure a flight yet.
Also, one has to wonder just what MAN has to do to get a China route. Dublin seem confident Air China is about to launch on a market of 40,000 per year.
MAN-HKG alone had 136,000 passengers last year and still not a sniff of a service, let alone what the China market as a whole is worth (if HKG has 136,000 indirect passengers the China market must be 200,000+ per year). Just bizarre they have not managed to secure a flight yet.
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LAX-LHR
Re China, its completely irrelevant at the moment..
All 31 agreed slots are taken up to China from the UK.Transport Secretary is to meet his counterpart from China in January to try and get the number increased.
So I don't understand your comments "one has to wonder just what MAN has to do to get a China route"
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Re China, its completely irrelevant at the moment..
All 31 agreed slots are taken up to China from the UK.Transport Secretary is to meet his counterpart from China in January to try and get the number increased.
So I don't understand your comments "one has to wonder just what MAN has to do to get a China route"
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Nigel, it's 31 flights per week each for UK and Chinese carriers. I did calculate a month or 2 back that there's roughly 7 flights a week still to be used by Chinese carriers.
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So I don't understand your comments "one has to wonder just what MAN has to do to get a China route"
The UK has 4 unused China slots, and Air China have had the rights for up to 7 weekly flights to Manchester from the CAAC since 2007, so, entirely possible for Air China to start the route tomorrow if they so wished.
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There was a comprehensive analysis of why China is such a conundrum on the Plane mad site a few weeks back.
The Chinese Airlines essentially make more money on internal flights so are reluctant to start long haul as they actually lose out.
The gap could of course be filled by EK, Etihad etc BUT the Chinese are very wary that foreign airlines will then take market share which they will not be able to get back down the line if their strategy changes
"...Damned if you do and damned if you don't".
This link may be of interest
Where in the World - The Leader's Blog
PS You cannot connect anybody at PM as the contact form link is dead so if you are thinking of joining to see the article it is impossible to contact them.
I will try and find the link for the PM article here.
The Chinese Airlines essentially make more money on internal flights so are reluctant to start long haul as they actually lose out.
The gap could of course be filled by EK, Etihad etc BUT the Chinese are very wary that foreign airlines will then take market share which they will not be able to get back down the line if their strategy changes
"...Damned if you do and damned if you don't".
This link may be of interest
Where in the World - The Leader's Blog
PS You cannot connect anybody at PM as the contact form link is dead so if you are thinking of joining to see the article it is impossible to contact them.
I will try and find the link for the PM article here.
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PS You cannot connect anybody at PM as the contact form link is dead so if you are thinking of joining to see the article it is impossible to contact them.
