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Having flown 4 times on the A380 I feel the same about that aircraft. Sure it looks impressive and somewhat unique from the outside but once you've sat on it for a few hours it is just a modern 747.
AFAIK people are falling over themselves to travel on the 380. Can't be a*sed to look, but I think the A380 flight prices ex MAN are often higher than the 777 flights, partially at least because of the demand
PS - well done Bagso if you have made MAG use social media more effectively. Never use the stuff myself - better things to do!
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"MCO was also well up in June but I think part of this was TOM? switching from the other Orlando airport."
It was TCX that moved flights from SFB to MCO. TOM and ZB still fly to SFB.
It was TCX that moved flights from SFB to MCO. TOM and ZB still fly to SFB.
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I wonder if the VS BFS and GLA flights are actually coming from Manchester based aircraft?
Cant help but notice the BFS-MCO flights use a VS161/162 number, which is well out of sequence for the LGW/MAN based fleet anyway, and VS16 is a LGW-MCO flight? So VS16 at LGW switches to VS161 for BFS, in a possible LGW-MCO-BFS-MCO-LGW flight?
Cant help but notice the BFS-MCO flights use a VS161/162 number, which is well out of sequence for the LGW/MAN based fleet anyway, and VS16 is a LGW-MCO flight? So VS16 at LGW switches to VS161 for BFS, in a possible LGW-MCO-BFS-MCO-LGW flight?
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Thanks 7griffinjack. Wasn't sure if it was TOM or TCX that had switched and even the SFB code escaped me as I was writing!
Looking at the CAA stats for June, EK was actually down slightly on June last year - only 1%. EY, if I'm allowed to mention it, was up 26% with the larger a/c, although the average load was only 259. QR increased 1% and SQ 16% giving an average load of 132.
For the US, didn't find any figures for CLT. Apart from ORD which was flat, most other routes were down, including IAD 9%. However, I suspect there may have been the odd cancellation in June due either to tech issues or possibly storms in the US. Nevertheless, rather disappointing, especially with the exchange rate at 1.70 being beneficial for the British.
If all Egyptair flights operated, I made the average load 86, which is not bad but not great. Don't know what the fares are like or the take-up in J class. Any more news yet on MS plans for winter/s2015?
There were some excellent results for some European destinations, and with an overall increase in pax of 5.8%, only STN (11.6% - MAG will be delighted) and LTN (10.7%) had higher percentage increases.
Looking at the CAA stats for June, EK was actually down slightly on June last year - only 1%. EY, if I'm allowed to mention it, was up 26% with the larger a/c, although the average load was only 259. QR increased 1% and SQ 16% giving an average load of 132.
For the US, didn't find any figures for CLT. Apart from ORD which was flat, most other routes were down, including IAD 9%. However, I suspect there may have been the odd cancellation in June due either to tech issues or possibly storms in the US. Nevertheless, rather disappointing, especially with the exchange rate at 1.70 being beneficial for the British.
If all Egyptair flights operated, I made the average load 86, which is not bad but not great. Don't know what the fares are like or the take-up in J class. Any more news yet on MS plans for winter/s2015?
There were some excellent results for some European destinations, and with an overall increase in pax of 5.8%, only STN (11.6% - MAG will be delighted) and LTN (10.7%) had higher percentage increases.
AFAIK people are falling over themselves to travel on the 380. Can't be a*sed to look, but I think the A380 flight prices ex MAN are often higher than the 777 flights, partially at least because of the demand
Didn't think you were able to take a shower on a 747......
lot to wow pax with. This is why I think TOM have gone slightly OTT with its promotion and it's Dreamliner supplement if it still charges that.
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For staff coming from Stockport, please note from Stagecoach :
Not in tune with encouraging less car use. For " some additional morning services" read one bus.The very early morning journeys are completely cut. I guess with MAG supporting of the airport Metrolink - other routes will suffer. There is no change to the Airport departures for the bus- so I assume Stagecoach are happy to run the buses empty to the airport to position them.
I know it is not interesting airline route news - but for staff & MAG public transport policies it's a reverse step.
From 20 July 2014, following the withdrawal of financial support from Manchester Airport we regret that service X69 will be withdrawn. To partly replace service X69 some additional morning journeys will be introduced on service 369
I know it is not interesting airline route news - but for staff & MAG public transport policies it's a reverse step.
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There was recently an internal questionnaire sent out to airport staff (by that, I meant sent out to company management and probably not filtered down to staff
) regarding subsidised bus routes and how much they're used as MAG would be reviewing them all.
I feel that regardless of the questionnaire the routes will still be axed
) regarding subsidised bus routes and how much they're used as MAG would be reviewing them all.I feel that regardless of the questionnaire the routes will still be axed
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LAX_LHR,
Looks like it may be a Gatwick based frame to operate the new flights according to the below source. Would make sense with the flight numbers. Begs the question what changes can we expect for Manchester as mentioned on the Belfast thread.
http://www.thevssource.com/http://www.thevssource.com/
Looks like it may be a Gatwick based frame to operate the new flights according to the below source. Would make sense with the flight numbers. Begs the question what changes can we expect for Manchester as mentioned on the Belfast thread.
http://www.thevssource.com/http://www.thevssource.com/
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As far as the X69 is concerned, it is people who live in Edgeley, Cheadle Heath, Cheadle Hulme and Heald Green who will miss out.
From Stockport the 199 runs every 30 minutes from 0425 and there is at least a train from Heald Green at about 0530.
But perhaps very few staff used the X69, so withdrawing the subsidy may be a sensible thing to do?
On the face of it, I agree that it doesn't chime with getting more staff to use public transport.
From Stockport the 199 runs every 30 minutes from 0425 and there is at least a train from Heald Green at about 0530.
But perhaps very few staff used the X69, so withdrawing the subsidy may be a sensible thing to do?
On the face of it, I agree that it doesn't chime with getting more staff to use public transport.
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I`m sure that Stagecoach provide figures to MAG so if say only 4 or 5 pax were to use service it just does not add up and as accountants will
have their say as they do in all businesses, if the return is not there it will go.
Ian
have their say as they do in all businesses, if the return is not there it will go.
Ian
We will continue to take the lead in promoting and championing staff
use of public transport services in line with our Green Commuter Plan.
The number of passengers on airport buses doubled between 1995
and 2001. Now, around 10% of staff use the bus to come to work. As
the bus network is principally focused at staff, it is important that we
have a network of services that fit in with our 24 hour operation. We
will continue to provide financial support as part of our partnerships
with bus operators and will seek more services, new vehicles and
improvements to the bus network.
use of public transport services in line with our Green Commuter Plan.
The number of passengers on airport buses doubled between 1995
and 2001. Now, around 10% of staff use the bus to come to work. As
the bus network is principally focused at staff, it is important that we
have a network of services that fit in with our 24 hour operation. We
will continue to provide financial support as part of our partnerships
with bus operators and will seek more services, new vehicles and
improvements to the bus network.
I guess things change...mind you the same document predicts 38 million passengers by 2015.
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Taken from MA's strategy to 2013 http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...Masterplan.pdf
I guess things change...mind you the same document predicts 38 million passengers by 2015.
I guess things change...mind you the same document predicts 38 million passengers by 2015.
Airport Master Plans should be always kept under review and it is generally accepted that major revisions should take place every 5 years, or sooner if things start to go off-track significantly. I think this was produced in 2006 or 2007, just as the big decline started.
So we should have seen a new one by now. Anyone know what's happening?
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May see a few extra Libyan flights after last few weeks disruption at Tripoli:
Libyan Airlines, Afriqiyah cooperate on repatriation flights - ch-aviation.com
Libyan Airlines, Afriqiyah cooperate on repatriation flights - ch-aviation.com
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‘Aerotropolis EMEA’ Conference report: Part 1
The Aerotropolis ? a strategy, not a project. ?Aerotropolis EMEA? Conference report: Part 1 | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Some soundbites /observations by CAPA
In a dig at the south of the UK Sir Howard said the north could be an industrial powerhouse through better surface and air connectivity if only central government would let it.
It was not possible to extract from MAG speakers what MAG’s external investor, Australia’s Industry Funds Management (IFM), thinks about the airport city development
In the latter sense Manchester enjoys an advantage owing to its central location in the UK and the airport’s GBP50 million investment in the Metrolink tram service, which is being extended to the airport.
In the case of some of the investors the number and quality of graduates staying in the city after graduation is of paramount importance. In Manchester’s case this is up to 40% of each year’s graduate output, from what is the UK’s largest city campus.
Interesting points raised in original piece !
Personally I still feel there is a total disconnect between those at the top who at least appear have a clear vision and strategy.... and those charged with actually telling potential passengers about routes once we get them !
There is very little point actually having an Airport City if having gained a route it is not marketed to absolute potential and that connectivity is broken
".....if its marketed for Macduff but then fails, so be it"
at least one tried !
The Aerotropolis ? a strategy, not a project. ?Aerotropolis EMEA? Conference report: Part 1 | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
Some soundbites /observations by CAPA
In a dig at the south of the UK Sir Howard said the north could be an industrial powerhouse through better surface and air connectivity if only central government would let it.
It was not possible to extract from MAG speakers what MAG’s external investor, Australia’s Industry Funds Management (IFM), thinks about the airport city development
In the latter sense Manchester enjoys an advantage owing to its central location in the UK and the airport’s GBP50 million investment in the Metrolink tram service, which is being extended to the airport.
In the case of some of the investors the number and quality of graduates staying in the city after graduation is of paramount importance. In Manchester’s case this is up to 40% of each year’s graduate output, from what is the UK’s largest city campus.
Interesting points raised in original piece !
Personally I still feel there is a total disconnect between those at the top who at least appear have a clear vision and strategy.... and those charged with actually telling potential passengers about routes once we get them !
There is very little point actually having an Airport City if having gained a route it is not marketed to absolute potential and that connectivity is broken
".....if its marketed for Macduff but then fails, so be it"
at least one tried !
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As always, thanks for spotting this Bagso and for the link. I'm surprised the conference didn't get coverage elsewhere unless I missed it.
If the CAPA summary is a fair balance, the comments of one speaker give cause for concern.
"Simon Bedford, partner at Deloitte Real Estate: has been involved with the MAG Airport City and described it as still being very much ‘embryonic’. The economic geography in this case is suitable but he re-emphasised the point made by Professor Kasarda that not every airport should aspire to have one; the driving force should be a metropolitan strategy and not every airport is situated in a sufficiently large metropolitan area.
There needs to be an economic case made. For example:
That the airport has global connectivity;
That benefits and outcomes are demonstrated;
That a planning case has been put forward and is supported;
That surface transport has caught up with other developments
.
In Manchester’s case there was a failure to get the strategy right from the outset. There was no joined-up strategy in Greater Manchester regarding employment prospects across the wider region and this became a serious political issue."
The bits in bold print are my emphasis. Hopefully, the points he raised are being addressed.
The CAPA report does of course refer to more positive aspects of Airport Cities and Manchester's case. but it's to the credit of the organisers that it was not merely a flag waving exercise.
If the CAPA summary is a fair balance, the comments of one speaker give cause for concern.
"Simon Bedford, partner at Deloitte Real Estate: has been involved with the MAG Airport City and described it as still being very much ‘embryonic’. The economic geography in this case is suitable but he re-emphasised the point made by Professor Kasarda that not every airport should aspire to have one; the driving force should be a metropolitan strategy and not every airport is situated in a sufficiently large metropolitan area.
There needs to be an economic case made. For example:
That the airport has global connectivity;
That benefits and outcomes are demonstrated;
That a planning case has been put forward and is supported;
That surface transport has caught up with other developments
.
In Manchester’s case there was a failure to get the strategy right from the outset. There was no joined-up strategy in Greater Manchester regarding employment prospects across the wider region and this became a serious political issue."
The bits in bold print are my emphasis. Hopefully, the points he raised are being addressed.
The CAPA report does of course refer to more positive aspects of Airport Cities and Manchester's case. but it's to the credit of the organisers that it was not merely a flag waving exercise.
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I agree MANFOD
By way of example I assumed that the Southern build would be going full tilt by now based on the ground works which were started a few months back.
I assumed it was a case of building the units first similar to a shopping mall and THEN renting out.
That philosophy "may" seem naive as the build seems to be piecemeal as and when new tenants appear. Only the one unit has gone up.
All the more reason to ensure that ALL new entrants on the airline side succeed.
Joined up thinking or lack of it seems to be a running theme, Cathay are now only a few months from launch, other than Intu training staff to host Chinese spenders I would love to know what other initiatives are happening across the North Of England.
The emphasis thus far seems to be on punters heading East with a complete abdication of punters coming in the other direction !
Passengers wont just fall into our lap, although that seems to be the belief !
By way of example I assumed that the Southern build would be going full tilt by now based on the ground works which were started a few months back.
I assumed it was a case of building the units first similar to a shopping mall and THEN renting out.
That philosophy "may" seem naive as the build seems to be piecemeal as and when new tenants appear. Only the one unit has gone up.
All the more reason to ensure that ALL new entrants on the airline side succeed.
Joined up thinking or lack of it seems to be a running theme, Cathay are now only a few months from launch, other than Intu training staff to host Chinese spenders I would love to know what other initiatives are happening across the North Of England.
The emphasis thus far seems to be on punters heading East with a complete abdication of punters coming in the other direction !
Passengers wont just fall into our lap, although that seems to be the belief !
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I have one comment to the paragraph quoted below from the Aerotropolis article
Big tourist attractions like Disneyland and Grand Canyon only count visitor IN to the attraction - airports count both inbound AND outbound. In other words the difference isn't that big as Professor Kasarda try to show when you count visitors (people), but the hassle is larger passing through an airport (border control, baggage claim and customs inbound and check in and security check outbound).
The consumer population of airports is greater than might be realised, and much larger than that of tourist sites. For example95 million people passed through Atlanta Airport last year, while only 40 million visited Disneyworld and the Grand Canyon combined.
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BHX absolutely milking the charter in there today !
Interesting tweet on BHX twitter today
@Welcome2Brum @ChinaSouthernKR @bhx_official Thank you! Looking forward to serving Birmingham.
Key phrase"looking forward to serving BHX"
Interesting !
Interesting tweet on BHX twitter today
@Welcome2Brum @ChinaSouthernKR @bhx_official Thank you! Looking forward to serving Birmingham.
Key phrase"looking forward to serving BHX"
Interesting !