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Q400 comings and goings.........??
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/prev...us_updates.htm
Jethro's have two of the latest Q400's (G-ECOB/C) going to Wideroe along with two undelivered examples and four rather older exSAS machines coming in as G-ECOV/W/Y/Z.
Anyone able to add to the previous comments on this switch?
What is the rationale and will the four newer a/c come back in due course?
Incidentally G-ECOB/C have both been based in IOM continuously for the last 4 weeks or so.
Jethro's have two of the latest Q400's (G-ECOB/C) going to Wideroe along with two undelivered examples and four rather older exSAS machines coming in as G-ECOV/W/Y/Z.
Anyone able to add to the previous comments on this switch?
What is the rationale and will the four newer a/c come back in due course?
Incidentally G-ECOB/C have both been based in IOM continuously for the last 4 weeks or so.
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I wonder if Flybe will essentially be refurbishing the Q400s with late-model mods on BBDs behalf over the term of the lease, rather than flying them to Canada to have the same work done on the Toronto line. Presumably by leasing them it would make it first party rather than third party work for licencing purposes, although I am purely speculating.
I wonder if Flybe will essentially be refurbishing the Q400s with late-model mods on BBDs behalf over the term of the lease, rather than flying them to Canada to have the same work done on the Toronto line. Presumably by leasing them it would make it first party rather than third party work for licencing purposes, although I am purely speculating.
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Just purely thinking out loud, but Flybe announced a while back that they were looking into expanding by increasing their bases to include European Airports. They already have 1 based at DUS which was acquired with BAcon but is there any slight possibility that they are looking at something with Wideroe, hence their business with them and the Q400.
Will the aircraft being leased to Wideroe be in Flybe colours still or will they repaint them?
It just a thought and I may be a million miles away from the reality but as no-one really knows at this stage I suppose anything is possible
Will the aircraft being leased to Wideroe be in Flybe colours still or will they repaint them?
It just a thought and I may be a million miles away from the reality but as no-one really knows at this stage I suppose anything is possible
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What's happening to EXE-LBA?
All Tues and Wed. services seem to have disappeared suddenly and any bookings dumped.
What's the problem?
P.S. their email says for 'commercial reasons' but that is obviously a standard and meaningless bit of b.s.
What's the problem?
P.S. their email says for 'commercial reasons' but that is obviously a standard and meaningless bit of b.s.
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Most schedule changes are commercial reasons so its not "b.s" as you suggest.
It could be a number of reasons but I am pretty sure that if it was something other than commercial, for example outside of their control Flybe would certainly make this clear to passengers to avoid any grumbling.
I know that many changes have been made though until the beginning of July so its possible that EXT-LBA is just temporary. I certainly haven't heard any info on this route in the office, put it that way.
It could be a number of reasons but I am pretty sure that if it was something other than commercial, for example outside of their control Flybe would certainly make this clear to passengers to avoid any grumbling.
I know that many changes have been made though until the beginning of July so its possible that EXT-LBA is just temporary. I certainly haven't heard any info on this route in the office, put it that way.
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From the Flybe Timetable
Leeds Bradford
BE643 12:55 14:00 . . . . . Sa . - - 31-May-08 - 25-Oct-08
BE643 14:40 15:25 M . . T F . Su - - 05-Jun-08 - 30-Jun-08
BE643 14:40 15:25 M T W T F . Su - - 01-Jul-08 - 24-Oct-08
Leeds Bradford
BE643 12:55 14:00 . . . . . Sa . - - 31-May-08 - 25-Oct-08
BE643 14:40 15:25 M . . T F . Su - - 05-Jun-08 - 30-Jun-08
BE643 14:40 15:25 M T W T F . Su - - 01-Jul-08 - 24-Oct-08
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FlyBE cut backs
Not only Ext to Leeds/Bradford flights have been reduced mid week. The second daily rotation from Edinburgh to Cardiff on Wednesday has been dropped as has the CWL Newcastle flight on that day. Also the morning flight from Glasgow to Cardiff and Paris on Wednesday has been dropped. This would appear from the FlyBe timetable to be for June only as the flights are scheduled to be reintroduced in July.
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Still no answer on this
Sounds like a big(ger) problem so has anyone any more 'helpful' ideas than, b.s. apologist, 
Cloud (1 or 9).
'Reasons' described as commercial or family or financial or marketing or political or technical etc. are now a standard excuse without actually giving any real reason or explanation !
Cloud (1 or 9).'Reasons' described as commercial or family or financial or marketing or political or technical etc. are now a standard excuse without actually giving any real reason or explanation !
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well origionall the morning rotations of the GLA-CWL-CDG-CWL-GLA was to operate on a RE wet leased a/c. Last week it was on a German 146. I have been informed it's due to delayed deliverance of Dash 8's.
This could also mean that an E145 is being used on another route for this reason.
We also have an E195 coming in tomorrow to operate the BE285/286 tomorrow and the morning BE281/282 ahs been non-op for a while on certain days.
This could also mean that an E145 is being used on another route for this reason.
We also have an E195 coming in tomorrow to operate the BE285/286 tomorrow and the morning BE281/282 ahs been non-op for a while on certain days.
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Dash 8 Delays
One Dash 8 (msn 4206) has been at Downsview since May 1 in full FlyBE colours and another (msn 4212) is for FlyBE and was at Downsview in primer on May 15th. Not sure why they haven't progressed, maybe related to the Wideroe's deal?
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I am merely saying civil aviation that its not necessarily b.s......b.s is a term often used by people that know very little and don't like what they are hearing. I am sure you are not that kind of person and therefore have no need to make such comments.
As I said there are many changes being made. Possibly because people are not booking, due to the current economy, or maybe the airline has plans for a number of new routes....who knows.
As I said there are many changes being made. Possibly because people are not booking, due to the current economy, or maybe the airline has plans for a number of new routes....who knows.
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June cancellations
Reading the above and other threads, there still seems to be no
definitive answer to all the cancellations across the network.
I have just checked bhx and all June there is at least one less GLA,
EDI, IOM & BHD on Tuesdays, Wednesday & Thursdays.
Obviously Tuesday - Thursday are the quieter business days and fuel is
a tad expensive but June does not normally see cancellations. The flights
before and after are operating, so it is not aircraft shortages but are more crew on conversion courses?
Also rumoured on another thread bhx-iom is going back to daily from
September. That was ten days ago and it is still being sold at double
daily Mon-Fri - I trust it was just a rumour or possibly for winter 2008/9.
Pete
definitive answer to all the cancellations across the network.
I have just checked bhx and all June there is at least one less GLA,
EDI, IOM & BHD on Tuesdays, Wednesday & Thursdays.
Obviously Tuesday - Thursday are the quieter business days and fuel is
a tad expensive but June does not normally see cancellations. The flights
before and after are operating, so it is not aircraft shortages but are more crew on conversion courses?
Also rumoured on another thread bhx-iom is going back to daily from
September. That was ten days ago and it is still being sold at double
daily Mon-Fri - I trust it was just a rumour or possibly for winter 2008/9.
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When you have a company that offers or can offer several daily rotations, all well and fine. But if the economy starts to go tits up, and the fuel price goes through the roof, then the commercial reasons should be pretty obvious why some of these rotations get cancelled.
Not at the last minute, but in a planned and managable way so customers (usually not very many on the chosen sectors) can be re-booked onto the remaining ones.
Any company that doesn't do this, and still flies all the rotations a quarter full will find itself joining the list of airlines lost very quickly indeed.
I'd have thought this obvious way of protecting yourself from the fallout of the increasing costs we all face would be more widespread across the industry, but perhaps it will be as the belts tighten across the industry as a whole.
Not at the last minute, but in a planned and managable way so customers (usually not very many on the chosen sectors) can be re-booked onto the remaining ones.
Any company that doesn't do this, and still flies all the rotations a quarter full will find itself joining the list of airlines lost very quickly indeed.
I'd have thought this obvious way of protecting yourself from the fallout of the increasing costs we all face would be more widespread across the industry, but perhaps it will be as the belts tighten across the industry as a whole.
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Your theory doesn't hold water as far as the Wednesday SEN-JER route is concerned.
Flybe have pulled it from 18 June to 4 September, when it is reinstated. To pull a leisure route for the whole of the peak summer season, when the only alternative is to rebook on the Saturday flight or travel to LGW for a Wednesday flight, and then reinstate the service at the end of the season cannot surely be for the reasons you are putting forward.
Your theory doesn't hold water as far as the Wednesday SEN-JER route is concerned.
Flybe have pulled it from 18 June to 4 September, when it is reinstated. To pull a leisure route for the whole of the peak summer season, when the only alternative is to rebook on the Saturday flight or travel to LGW for a Wednesday flight, and then reinstate the service at the end of the season cannot surely be for the reasons you are putting forward.
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There is too much smoke not to have any fire regarding Flybe and Birmingham to Isle Of Man
They are still advertising 2 daily from September onwards because people will book them at cheap prices. Once they are booked and nearer the time they will cancel one of the flights and people will get transferred to the operating one. Old tactic but people still book with them knowing it is going to happen as in the words of the Apprentice, thay are all DUM DUMS.
If you have to get BHX or IOM for a certain time then book Eastern
There is too much smoke not to have any fire regarding Flybe and Birmingham to Isle Of Man
They are still advertising 2 daily from September onwards because people will book them at cheap prices. Once they are booked and nearer the time they will cancel one of the flights and people will get transferred to the operating one. Old tactic but people still book with them knowing it is going to happen as in the words of the Apprentice, thay are all DUM DUMS.
If you have to get BHX or IOM for a certain time then book Eastern
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cancellations
Dash&Thump
I knew this was the likely answer, plenty of spare capacity on these routes (the CAA figures don't lie) but I was probably surprised at the
three days (five on one GLA). It will be interesting to see the winter
frequencies when the schedule is released.
These same flights (ex IOM) see the same reduction Jan to the first
week in Feb, I wonder if it will be more severe this time round?
Wellington Bomber
Could possibly be and a bit naughty if true but good to see Eastern
hold their own (or so rumour has it) on this route.
Pete
I knew this was the likely answer, plenty of spare capacity on these routes (the CAA figures don't lie) but I was probably surprised at the
three days (five on one GLA). It will be interesting to see the winter
frequencies when the schedule is released.
These same flights (ex IOM) see the same reduction Jan to the first
week in Feb, I wonder if it will be more severe this time round?
Wellington Bomber
Could possibly be and a bit naughty if true but good to see Eastern
hold their own (or so rumour has it) on this route.
Pete