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Didn't Flybe have a codeshare with AF from one of it's bases? Im sure i heared somone at flybe mentioning something couple of weeks ago.
I am not in any specific support for either Eastern or Flybe and i like them both in different ways, but i have to say that in reality any company/ airline is for sale for the right price.
I am not in any specific support for either Eastern or Flybe and i like them both in different ways, but i have to say that in reality any company/ airline is for sale for the right price.
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Didn't Flybe have a codeshare with AF from one of it's bases? Im sure i heared somone at flybe mentioning something couple of weeks ago.
I'm pretty sure that Flybe already have a codeshare agreement with SN Brussels on the routes from BHX and MAN (possibly SOU?) to BRU?
SN codeshare on BE SOU/MAN-BRU
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As for code share, isn't it Eastern who've just agreed one with KLM to operate INV - AMS?
Try as they might, Flybe will never get code share with KLM, or if it comes to it, any other major airline.
Try as they might, Flybe will never get code share with KLM, or if it comes to it, any other major airline.
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Airliner World is quoting Jim French that Flybe will soonish order three additional E195. Any truth in that?
Well, if they have the nerves to do so, sue Flybe for breach of contract. That's what it is (at least in those jurisdictions I am more familar with). They have a binding contract with a carrier to fly from a certain departure airport. Contrary to popular belief, it is not up to an airline to change contents of a binding contract at its pleasure. Any additional costs iuncurred, be it parking fees, transfer costs, accommodation etc. are damages resulting from the breach of contract. Airlines are relying on the fact that 99 per cent of pax will do nothing about it and will rather suffer silently than enforce their rights.
You mean like: "Richard, I here have a couple of million in my suitcase for your golden retirement" and him replying "No thanks, Jim, I will rather die as a poor man than accept your money." 
Friends booked 4x Southend-Jersey rtn seats with them some time ago for one of their Weds. departures. Just received email saying they have been transferred to a flight the previous day to that booked, leaving two hours earlier, from Gatwick! Since they live near SEN, where they can park free for the week, they are not happy.
I know for a fact that Richard Lake, the MD at Eastern, would rather close Eastern than sell to the Ryanair wannabees at Jack Walker House.
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Dicky Lake s already taken a few million quid from the Icelandics so hes got a big war cash chest already to match the big mouth
Blo
ody good luck to him hes worked hard for it
Bloody good luck to him hes worked hard for it
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Niknak said: As for code share, isn't it Eastern who've just agreed one with KLM to operate INV - AMS?
Try as they might, Flybe will never get code share with KLM, or if it comes to it, any other major airline.
Part 69 replied: Flybe have codeshare flights with BA Niknak
Now now, Part69 - Niknak was referring to major airlines........
Try as they might, Flybe will never get code share with KLM, or if it comes to it, any other major airline.
Part 69 replied: Flybe have codeshare flights with BA Niknak
Now now, Part69 - Niknak was referring to major airlines........
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Boss may have a big mouth but hes got big gonads too. Flybe don't scare him and soon Im gonna change my name to SAABtechrecords. J41s have done us proud but Saab's are the future and knock the out of Q400's any day.
out of Q400's any day.
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Would it be the Saabs lower number of seats, lower payload or perhaps its lower performance or its higher noise level that knock the out of the Q400?
Saab 2000 the future, they dont make them anymore.
Oh aye, the Jetstreams will be doing you proud, well at least until BA are released from the leasing commitment and Eastern have to start paying for them themselves. Not long now on a number of your airframes I understand.
out of the Q400?Saab 2000 the future, they dont make them anymore.
Oh aye, the Jetstreams will be doing you proud, well at least until BA are released from the leasing commitment and Eastern have to start paying for them themselves. Not long now on a number of your airframes I understand.
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The chance to earn more money every once in a while when you are able to sell more than 50 seats? Depending on the stage length, break-even for the Q400 is said to be between 29 and 36 seats. What are the comparative figures for the Saab 2000?
With the Q400, compared to 50 seater jets, you have a lower break-even factor with 30 free seats thrown in on top.
With the Q400, compared to 50 seater jets, you have a lower break-even factor with 30 free seats thrown in on top.
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78 seats is just right. Flybe reguarly fill the dash on a significant number of routes.....importantly some very, very high yield routes. They know what they are doing. Just beacuse you like the Saab and don't like flybe doesn't mean you are right. Take a look around....flybe, EMX, Eastern etc etc...who's the one going from strength to strength?
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So why are they still using the Embraer 145 on routes where surely the fantastic Dash 400 would be more economically viable than a jet with laods of about 25.
What is the fuel burn on the comparative a/c
Embraer 145
Dash 400
Saab 2000
Anybody got the answers?
What is the fuel burn on the comparative a/c
Embraer 145
Dash 400
Saab 2000
Anybody got the answers?
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More powerful eh?
Saab 2000, Two 3096 kW (4152 shp) Rolls-Royce Allison AE-2100A turboprops
Q400, Powered by PW150A engines rated at 5,071 shp (3,783 kW)
Simple answer, flybe are still using the 145`s that were inherited from the BA Connect aquisition. The 145`s are beng phased out and replaced by the Q400, about one a month at the moment.
Fuel burn on the Q400 and the 145 are similar I understand. No idea what the Saab burns per hr (I would suggest its not far from what the Q4 burns). The debate as to wether the 145 makes money has been bannded about on these forums and in crew rooms for ages and probably will continue for some time. flybe is a business and if you can shift 29 more punters for the same fuel cost, then thats what its going to do.
Saab 2000, Two 3096 kW (4152 shp) Rolls-Royce Allison AE-2100A turboprops
Q400, Powered by PW150A engines rated at 5,071 shp (3,783 kW)
Simple answer, flybe are still using the 145`s that were inherited from the BA Connect aquisition. The 145`s are beng phased out and replaced by the Q400, about one a month at the moment.
Fuel burn on the Q400 and the 145 are similar I understand. No idea what the Saab burns per hr (I would suggest its not far from what the Q4 burns). The debate as to wether the 145 makes money has been bannded about on these forums and in crew rooms for ages and probably will continue for some time. flybe is a business and if you can shift 29 more punters for the same fuel cost, then thats what its going to do.
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The problem is that 50 seater aircraft nowadays really face a catch 22 situation: They were brilliant 10-15 years ago as they were more economical to operate compared to the (then) more common 30-40 seaters. Nowadays a modern 70-80 seater can do the job for almost the same fuel burn as a 50 seater. The only question really is whether airlines sing the "prop-avoidance-syndrom" gospel or not. If they do, they react more like Lufthansa who are planning to replace their 50seater jets with 70seater jets. If not, they follow the Flybe path and use Q400s. According to Horizon Air who are considering ditching their CRJ700s in favour of more Q400s, the Q400s are 30 per cent more fuel efficient than the CRJ700s. Just imagine what that means for a CRJ200/E145 compared to the Q400.
Matter of fact is that 70-80 seaters, especially props, are selling like hot cakes while there are virtually no more orders for 50seaters, be it a jet or a prop. The Q300, Saab 2000, the CRJ200 have all gone out of production, no more E145s have been ordered in the last few years and the ATR42 is selling in very limited numbers only.
Matter of fact is that 70-80 seaters, especially props, are selling like hot cakes while there are virtually no more orders for 50seaters, be it a jet or a prop. The Q300, Saab 2000, the CRJ200 have all gone out of production, no more E145s have been ordered in the last few years and the ATR42 is selling in very limited numbers only.
According to http://scanliners.com/sasnow/sasfleet.htm
The Q400 has a burn of approx 0.045 litre per seat*km for a 72 seat configuration (as opposed to flybe's 78 seat configuration) compared with a 0.051 litre per seat*km for the Saab 2000. While not a huge difference probably works out quite well with the increasing cost of fuel.
How do the cabin noise levels compare? Does the Q400's Noise and Vibration System do what it says on the tin?
The Q400 has a burn of approx 0.045 litre per seat*km for a 72 seat configuration (as opposed to flybe's 78 seat configuration) compared with a 0.051 litre per seat*km for the Saab 2000. While not a huge difference probably works out quite well with the increasing cost of fuel.
How do the cabin noise levels compare? Does the Q400's Noise and Vibration System do what it says on the tin?