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Can definitely remember the F100 Air UK into BHD. Saw it basically everyday coming in to land over my Grammer school, so was at least September 1992. Can't remember how long it continued for mind you.
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Oh thank god I thought I was getting my belfasts mixed up!! It must have been for a v v short period cause the must have moved back to BFS as KLMuk to do the BFS-AMS route.
I remember the BD flights from BFS-CDG and the AF F28's operating the BFS-CDG route, was that the same time that SN did the BRU-BFS?
Its funny how the BFS-STN just cant work and the same with the LCY but the rest do ie LGW etc etc. Maybe we need some transport analysist to explian the transport nodes that preclude STN and LCY as destinations that work from BHD.
Mind you i do remember taking a Capital SD-360 from BHD-LTN. Now that was an interesting if long flight!
I remember the BD flights from BFS-CDG and the AF F28's operating the BFS-CDG route, was that the same time that SN did the BRU-BFS?
Its funny how the BFS-STN just cant work and the same with the LCY but the rest do ie LGW etc etc. Maybe we need some transport analysist to explian the transport nodes that preclude STN and LCY as destinations that work from BHD.
Mind you i do remember taking a Capital SD-360 from BHD-LTN. Now that was an interesting if long flight!
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Air France to CDG also operated with B737-200's. I think the BD DC9 CDG flight was integrated with the East Midlands flight - East Midlands - Belfast - Paris - Belfast - East Midlands.
I too flew BHD - Luton in the Capital SD360 which was I think, nearly 2 hours. After Capital departed BHD (and everywhere else) Britannia Airways started a BFS-LTN service with B737-200's, a route I also flew costong, I think I remember £29
I too flew BHD - Luton in the Capital SD360 which was I think, nearly 2 hours. After Capital departed BHD (and everywhere else) Britannia Airways started a BFS-LTN service with B737-200's, a route I also flew costong, I think I remember £29
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BHD to STN can and does work! The latest CAA statistics show that in August more passengers flew between STN and BHD than between STN and BFS. Only a chosen few know what the yields are but, if nothing else, it shows there is a demand for STN from BHD.
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Sorry for poor spelling Amelia, wine had been consumed and clumsy fingers!! Clearly was completely wasted on me!!
Can I blame alcohol for my poor spelling afflication??? lol
Can I blame alcohol for my poor spelling afflication??? lol
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Mr McCall ....it is ALL about the yield.How many operators have FAILED with a BHD STN service
Let me start you off
Ryanair
Air Berlin
Jersey/Flybe.......you can carry on with some more.
Never mind the LET 410;s will assist with the flagging passenger numbers huh?
Let me start you off
Ryanair
Air Berlin
Jersey/Flybe.......you can carry on with some more.
Never mind the LET 410;s will assist with the flagging passenger numbers huh?
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If anyone thinks that if Fr had been making profit at Bhd, but still pulled out because they couldn't get their own way with the extension, well you are mad. Ir Fr were profitable, they would still be there. In my opinion, the truth is they were losing money and used the extension as an excuse to get out. If the Bhd base was adding to the bottom line, why pull the routes? They have far smaller operations than what they had at Bhd and still maintain those operations. Fr went into Bhd for all the wrong reasons and failed, they went to the wrong airport.
As far as Bhd - Stn is concerned, if there is demand at the right price for the operator, why have so many tried and failed? Yes, Fr stimulated demand, with £3 fares and the like. Do you think Fr was making money on that? I flew Fr to Stn for £2.02 return. The ONLY reason I used Fr, was the fare. Other times, Ezy every time. How many airlines will have to come and go before you accept that maybe this is one route, for whatever reason, just does not do well for the operator out of Bhd?
True Blue
As far as Bhd - Stn is concerned, if there is demand at the right price for the operator, why have so many tried and failed? Yes, Fr stimulated demand, with £3 fares and the like. Do you think Fr was making money on that? I flew Fr to Stn for £2.02 return. The ONLY reason I used Fr, was the fare. Other times, Ezy every time. How many airlines will have to come and go before you accept that maybe this is one route, for whatever reason, just does not do well for the operator out of Bhd?
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True Blue is spot on,
They wanted a Runway extension so they could try and make money on different routes, because the ones they had wernt making any.
They didnt get an extension so they left. Simple.
However whats not so simple, is why Flybe have jumped on the routes, think it may be a mix of more to do with too many aircraft for the current winter schedual, some nice PR, and to stop Easyjet having too much presence at BHD.
Will have to wait and see if they still operate the routes when the summer schedual starts again
They wanted a Runway extension so they could try and make money on different routes, because the ones they had wernt making any.
They didnt get an extension so they left. Simple.
However whats not so simple, is why Flybe have jumped on the routes, think it may be a mix of more to do with too many aircraft for the current winter schedual, some nice PR, and to stop Easyjet having too much presence at BHD.
Will have to wait and see if they still operate the routes when the summer schedual starts again
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I agree Flybe are better equiped to do it, the Dash is perfect for the routes no other airline can make work, and Ryanair have done most of the hard work for flybe in establishing the routes.
However didnt flybe do a LPL and BRS from BHD many moons ago that was pulled due to low yeilds?
However didnt flybe do a LPL and BRS from BHD many moons ago that was pulled due to low yeilds?
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Flybe,as Jersey European, did Liverpool, Bristol and Stansted in the past (Stansted with Bae146 and then Bombardier Crj100 when numbers dropped. Liverpool was launched in a blaze of glory as one step to building Liverpool up as a major hub. I think Bristol was way back in the F27 era
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Without individual route yield figures, none of us know which Ryanair routes make a profit and which do not - its all speculation. For example, it might be that a 3 year introductory deal from BHD on charges is running out and a similar deal was not on offer. Alternatively it might be some of the routes were profitable but not others so taken in the round it was right to pull out. Another option might be that while things were marginal, using the aircraft elsewhere offers a better return - as I say who knows - only the Ryanair number crunchers
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BHD-BRS
However didnt flybe do a LPL and BRS from BHD many moons ago that was pulled due to low yeilds?
I think Bristol was way back in the F27 era
The BHD-BRS route was operated by Flybe (as Flybe and in its previous incarnations as far back as its Jersey European days) continuously for much of the 1990s (if not earlier) and on into this century until it was axed at the end of October 2006 because, it was generally assumed, of the easyJet route from BFS.
For a number of years the airline flew three rotations a day between BRS and BHD with one routing via Isle of Man.
Flybe had flown in competition with easyJet for about three years and in 2004 carried 76,000 passengers on the BHD route against easyJet's 232,000 on the BFS route.
2005 saw 62,000 passengers on the BHD-BRS and in 2006 the route was reduced to daily before being withdrawn, having carried 25,000 in the ten months of that year.
BHD-BRS remained unserved until the end of March 2009 when Ryanair commenced the route.
In the past few years the easyJet BFS-BRS route has seen passenger numbers falling, mainly because rotations have been reduced, although this coming winter it is back to 3 x daily on some days.
This year Ryanair carried more passengers on its BHD-BRS in June and July than easyJet did on its BFS-BRS and in August both airlines carried over 14,000 passengers.
I have no access to the yields for either route of course.
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Air UK flew the FK100 from BHD in 1994 for most of the summer season to STN & they did for that period move their LBA service to BHD. Manx at that time operated a BA146 from BHD to LHR and Jersey European operated to LGW! We had London flights coming outta our ears! The Manx route was in response to the mighty BA having an argument with BFS over landing fees & approaching BHD to move there, so the airlines of Britain, the group of bma, log & mnx at the time, did what they did best & moved a few flights in, when the threat went away Mr Bishop decided he needed the slots elsewhere & pulled the route, was really frustrating at the time as it was doing well!!
Britannia, if I remember rightly, did the Ltn route from the late 80s & it was their only scheduled route, think Capital eventually scared them away! Capital went bust around the 20th June 1990, not a very nice time, but Loganair & Jersey quickly took up some of the routes! For the spotters out there GOSUN & GOSKI became GJEAJ & GJEAK, I think, & when on the Bhd-Stn route were banned from diverting to Luton as they would have been impounded from their history as Capital aircraft!
Jeees, I know way to much trivia to have street cred,just as well I'm off!!!!
Britannia, if I remember rightly, did the Ltn route from the late 80s & it was their only scheduled route, think Capital eventually scared them away! Capital went bust around the 20th June 1990, not a very nice time, but Loganair & Jersey quickly took up some of the routes! For the spotters out there GOSUN & GOSKI became GJEAJ & GJEAK, I think, & when on the Bhd-Stn route were banned from diverting to Luton as they would have been impounded from their history as Capital aircraft!
Jeees, I know way to much trivia to have street cred,just as well I'm off!!!!
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Ryanair did make money out of flying from Belfast, do you honestly think he would sit there for 3 whole years if they didnt, he would have pulled out long ago. Like many airlines he makes his money on baggage charges, and things like his scratch cards and cheese burgers (has anyone ever tried one?) :P