Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

BELFAST (BHD) - 3

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 16th Sep 2009, 00:25
  #2821 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Larne, UK
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
TNT must be having problems as it was still sitting on the ground at BFS at 2300
tigger2k8 is offline  
Old 16th Sep 2009, 15:52
  #2822 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: dodging CB clouds
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Menzies had a small f*** up today on an Aer Lingus when they closed the arrivals doors before the last passenger was off the plane.

Anyone see the Hawk do the flybys today?
flying officer kite is offline  
Old 16th Sep 2009, 18:34
  #2823 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NI
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Islander heading north, very high

An Islander has just ( 19:25 ) plodded over Ards heading directly North; nothing greatly untoward except that it was very, very high for such an aircraft, perhaps 8000 feet or more; tiny and barely audible.

Not a pax flight, I presume, at such unpressurised altitude?
El Bunto is offline  
Old 16th Sep 2009, 18:37
  #2824 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belfast
Posts: 143
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Roof Damage

I live directly under the BHD flightpath.

A few years back I arrived back home after a short absence to find a hole in my roof.

Damage consistent with ice falling from an aircraft. Conveniently, ice melts and the water runs away so of course no "proof".
CaptJ is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 08:52
  #2825 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Belfast
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There was a piece on the BBC news a couple of nights ago with someone from George Best sitting front of a radar screen, and I think they said that aircraft approaching the city were a mile from the nearest houses, this is surely not the case. Was this reported in the printed media and does anyone have a copy, or perhaps I misheard there was alot of background noise at the time. Also, is the new radar operational at the City, they were installing one last year but I havent heard that it is actually working yet?
Belboy is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 10:30
  #2826 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Larne, UK
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i saw the news piece you are referring to, apparently no aircraft landing/taking off at BHD flew any lower than normal
tigger2k8 is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 10:38
  #2827 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Co. Antrim UK
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
apparently no aircraft landing/taking off at BHD flew any lower than normal
Not so smart to broadcast, because if it is discovered that an aircraft did cause this damage under normal operating conditions, surely for health and safety reasons a complete ban on the aircraft type would have to come into place. Was it a 737?
gate 22 is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 12:03
  #2828 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Larne, UK
Posts: 990
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Not so smart to broadcast, because if it is discovered that an aircraft did cause this damage under normal operating conditions, surely for health and safety reasons a complete ban on the aircraft type would have to come into place. Was it a 737?
thats what i thought... but the guy infront of the radar screen was convinced nothing different from usual happened.. i doubt an aircraft ban would come into place, with an estimated 40,000 aircraft movements at BHD per year with only 1 reported incident

im not too sure what way forces work, but the direction the tiles have came off the roof are completely different to the direction an aircraft approaching BHD would be travelling in.. well from what i could see on that video..
tigger2k8 is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 14:15
  #2829 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Co. Antrim UK
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i
doubt an aircraft ban would come into place, with an estimated 40,000 aircraft movements at BHD per year with only 1 reported incident
If it's down to the larger jets operating normally into the facility, I would be very surprised it an immediate ban on these jets did not come into play at BHD, until the problem was sorted. If it was a small aircraft - I don't know what measures would be taken, but they would have to do something. Percautions would have to be taken at properties close to all airports not just BHD. If they didn't and someone was injured or killed there would be big trouble.
gate 22 is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 15:25
  #2830 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Belfast, UK
Age: 43
Posts: 896
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With very little information currenly available, and certainly nothing as yet confirmed, my personal opinion would be this event is unrelated to an approaching aircraft.

It may be one of those situations that will just happen to go unresolved, never confirmed one way or the other. With the amount of traffic BHD handles, and regularly seeing A321, A320 and B737 either presently or in the past, this isolated event would not cause me get concern.

Lets not assume or jump to the conclusion that this was caused by an aircraft, when it may have been something completely unrelated, however whether we ever find out what really happened remains to be seen.
BFS101 is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 18:48
  #2831 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Work associated address
Age: 41
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Agreed

Because low and behold we have never known roof tiles to have ever fallen of a roof in the past except because of landing traffic at an airport.


Regards
EGAC_Ramper is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 20:28
  #2832 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,781
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With very little information currenly available, and certainly nothing as yet confirmed, my personal opinion would be this event is unrelated to an approaching aircraft.
BFS101; I would completely agree here on this comment. What amazes me is the perception that exists around the community near Belfast City airport. Comments have come in the recent past from locals and especially since Ryanair started operating in and out saying that now that large aircraft (re FR)are coming in and out etc, things are worse . The irony is that the 321 was operating for some years yet little mention of this, even though it is larger than the 738!

I am not being unsympathetic to the locals who have jet engines roaring at 0630 on the dot each day but cant help but feel that Ryanair has been singled out as the offender. I am also amazed that at this stage no source of information as to which airline or aircraft was responsible for this damage to the roof of this house.

There is also a significant amount of money being spent on the terminal buidling at the city airport. With such a level of investment it would lead one to believe that the management expect a significant growth in business soon!!

EI-BUD
EI-BUD is offline  
Old 17th Sep 2009, 22:15
  #2833 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Co. Antrim UK
Posts: 742
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What amazes me is the perception that exists around the community near Belfast City airport. Comments have come in the recent past from locals and especially since Ryanair started operating in and out saying that now that large aircraft (re FR)are coming in and out etc, things are worse . The irony is that the 321 was operating for some years yet little mention of this, even though it is larger than the 738!
Taking say arrivals, A couple of years back there was a large jet roughly every 2 hours landing over head. Nowadays on top of that there around 12 extra large jets arriving. The first one can be around 0700 in the morning. Also at certain times of the day there can be 3 FR's and 1 319 within an hour and a half. Now if you are then told that FR are going to significantly increase their presence then obviously you are going to feel threatened by them. I get the feeling that you seem to keep homing in on this FR is Irish and East Belfast being 'Loyalist' that they have something against FR. I think that since their arrival MOL with the arrogance that he has shown towards the residents has certainly not placed him on their love list.
gate 22 is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 07:47
  #2834 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 221
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Speaking as someone who works near the airport, I can assure you that the Ryanair jets are significantly louder than the rest.

And before anyone asks, I have no political axe to grind and do use Ryanair occasionally (and have found them satisfactory).

PS I was under the impression that there were eye witnesses to testify that a plane flew over the house immediately before the tiles were dislodged?
ESCNI is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 08:29
  #2835 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hiding in an office
Posts: 78
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
FR jets are not the loudest operating into BHD (matter of opinion). The FR a/c are actually quite quiet compared to some aircraft.
super737 is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 09:09
  #2836 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: belfast
Posts: 669
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Fr737s are not the noisiest in my opinion - has anyone heard Flybe' E195s when climbing out? For a relatively new aircraft, they are much noisier than you would expect and yet there is never any criticism levelled at Flybe!
ALLMCC is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 09:29
  #2837 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 221
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have just spoken to a colleague (who actually flys a small plane) and he agrees with me that the 737s sound the noisiest.

ESCNI is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 12:01
  #2838 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 272
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The 737-800 is loud. Much worse than the emb195 and various buses (incl the 321). It's smaller brother isn't exactly quiet either but not quite as bad. Easyjet crews wear ANR headsets on the 737 but not the bus for a reason.
Husky One is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 14:55
  #2839 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Belfast, UK
Age: 43
Posts: 896
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Contrary to previous post, found this on uk-airport-news.info today regarding aircraft vortex strikes at Birmingham.

Vortex strikes see hundreds of houses near Birmingham Airport re-roofed : Birmingham Airport News Stories

Seems that BHD are not alone, possibly...
BFS101 is offline  
Old 18th Sep 2009, 17:10
  #2840 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: An Orange Grove in the countryside
Age: 72
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Could the Airbus A380 at Belfast caused the roof tiles to loosen ?

Perhaps a madcap theory but nevertheless a possibility.
Parkgate Crescent lies directly under the 22 climbout from the City Airport and could have been subject to wake turbulence from the impressive display of the Airbus.
Hopefully here is a link to an article about wake turbulence illustrating the effects and dangers that can be caused.

http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/cu...9_P_064_en.pdf

The article is quite long but the relevant parts appear to be
Para 1.3
Para 2.13 ( 1-4)
Para 3.1-3.5.1

Irrespective of the above the tiles or slates in question did not appear to be particularly sturdy looking.
with alacrity is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.