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Tonights Tele manages to blow a simple website mistake into front page headlines. Ridiculous and pathetic. Obviously nothing important in the news.
When both the airport and Ryanair both stated that it was a mistake what did the Tele have to gain by trailing the story around the usual critics such as Reg Empey and aiportwatch.
When both the airport and Ryanair both stated that it was a mistake what did the Tele have to gain by trailing the story around the usual critics such as Reg Empey and aiportwatch.
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"Tonights Tele manages to blow a simple website mistake into front page headlines. Ridiculous and pathetic. Obviously nothing important in the news."
How do you know that it was a simple mistake? And if it was a mistake, pretty bad show from Fr. Do you think that the pax who will have their flights moved will see it as a simple mistake?
Try another line, there are some businesses that think they can drive a cart and horses through the rules. And some day, one of those businesses might well be driving over you and ignoring the rules. How will you feel then? I said before on this forum some months back that rules/laws are then so that we can all enjoy a decent life from those who believe that rules do not apply to them in any way. When some start to ignore the rules, where does it end? Why has Bhd never been taken to task for breaking the pax nos ruling? If it's because civil servants can't be bothered, well that's what WE pay them for, to ensure that big businesses do not ride over us.
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How do you know that it was a simple mistake? And if it was a mistake, pretty bad show from Fr. Do you think that the pax who will have their flights moved will see it as a simple mistake?
Try another line, there are some businesses that think they can drive a cart and horses through the rules. And some day, one of those businesses might well be driving over you and ignoring the rules. How will you feel then? I said before on this forum some months back that rules/laws are then so that we can all enjoy a decent life from those who believe that rules do not apply to them in any way. When some start to ignore the rules, where does it end? Why has Bhd never been taken to task for breaking the pax nos ruling? If it's because civil servants can't be bothered, well that's what WE pay them for, to ensure that big businesses do not ride over us.
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Security @ BFS
This is just to find out if anyone else has had same experience as me with BFS security search. I travel often through both BHD and BFS in full airline uniform as a comercial pax. BHD always seem to have a more laid back approach and no I am not saying lax approach, just if something is spotted of interest they politely ask what it may be and x ray bag again with the knowledge of what it may be. If not satisfied will do a full search. BFS on the other hand consistently just put the bag to one side for a full search and swab and are very off almost vergeing on rude like I have done something wrong and should know better. I now know my change in my duty free bag and my razor are problem articles. I now put them through separate. So there I was last week as ever braced for the worst and ready to count to ten when a female employee went through the hoop setting it off and was not frisked. I asked one of the security why and they replied oh her no she would never be asked to be checked she is important. I was in disbelief. Now it was obvious that she was some sort of head of security and I knew saying anything was to get me no further, but I thought everyone followed the same security checks. Can anyone tell me why BFS security are so rude and yet allow this to happen.
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True Blue - I 'know' that it was a mistake because BHD would never allow an airline to schedule flights outside its curfew hours. I 'know' that it was a mistake because BMI (who are every bit as important to BHD as FR) have been trying for years to get later flights - without success.
Airlines (all airlines - not just FR) make small mistakes on their websites but when big bad Ryanair do it - its front page news.
As for the seats for sale cap. When BHD applied to have the planning agreement reviewed - 4 or 5 years ago - they were not anywhere near the seats for sale limit. If the planning agreement had been reviewed in a timely manner then this wouldnt be an issue.
As for rules, BHD is strangled by more rules and restrictions that probably any other airport in the UK, maybe even Europe. How many other independent businesses are curtailled to the benefit of a direct competitor?
Rant over.
Airlines (all airlines - not just FR) make small mistakes on their websites but when big bad Ryanair do it - its front page news.
As for the seats for sale cap. When BHD applied to have the planning agreement reviewed - 4 or 5 years ago - they were not anywhere near the seats for sale limit. If the planning agreement had been reviewed in a timely manner then this wouldnt be an issue.
As for rules, BHD is strangled by more rules and restrictions that probably any other airport in the UK, maybe even Europe. How many other independent businesses are curtailled to the benefit of a direct competitor?
Rant over.
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London City and Belfast City are 2 airports in the UK which have to abide by rules as they are in a built-up areas. I don't understand why people have a problem with rules being placed on these airports, it seems like common sense to me-can you not see that large jets going in and out over high density housing effecting 10,000's of people is wrong. This happens at LHR, but as it is so important to the economy it gets away with it, however it should be shifted out into the Thames estuary as Boris is suggesting, Hong Kong and Munich have done it-its just a matter of time. BHD is a profitable airport, it always will have that business niche, FR should not be there pushing it into conflict with local residents and politicians it will only end in tears.
London City and Belfast City are 2 airports in the UK which have to abide by rules as they are in a built-up areas. I don't understand why people have a problem with rules being placed on these airports, it seems like common sense to me-can you not see that large jets going in and out over high density housing effecting 10,000's of people is wrong. This happens at LHR, but as it is so important to the economy it gets away with it, however it should be shifted out into the Thames estuary as Boris is suggesting, Hong Kong and Munich have done it-its just a matter of time. BHD is a profitable airport, it always will have that business niche, FR should not be there pushing it into conflict with local residents and politicians it will only end in tears.
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Sorry Gate 22 - respect your opinion but dont agree with any of it. Most regional (international) airports have lots of high density housing around them. Take a look on Google Earth at Glasgow, Manchester or Liverpool for starters. The only difference with BHD is that because Belfast is a small city, the airport is closer to the city centre.
In actual fact BHD is probably 'better' than any of these because at least 50% of flights are over water and do not affect any members of the public.
As for Boris moving Heathrow - just a pipe dream and not even a sensible one.
In actual fact BHD is probably 'better' than any of these because at least 50% of flights are over water and do not affect any members of the public.
As for Boris moving Heathrow - just a pipe dream and not even a sensible one.
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Manchester, no housing within 1 mile directly under the flight path eastern approach 24R 1.6miles 24L. Western approach no housing for at least 2 miles.
Liverpool, small village at 1.3 miles no significant housing until 3.4 miles eastern approach, western approach sea.
Glasgow - no housing for 1.5 miles eastern and western approach.
In all theses cases the housing is on the outskirts, probably have developed towards each airport, and the flight pathes skirt around high density housing areas.
Bhd - 1 mile western approach high density housing all the way. In actual fact planning restrictions in place for east Belfast, in that areas which could have housing eg the Oval, no housing allowed. Also the whole of Belfast city centre has height restriction in place of 120m. So no iconic tall buildings in Titantic quarter.
Liverpool, small village at 1.3 miles no significant housing until 3.4 miles eastern approach, western approach sea.
Glasgow - no housing for 1.5 miles eastern and western approach.
In all theses cases the housing is on the outskirts, probably have developed towards each airport, and the flight pathes skirt around high density housing areas.
Bhd - 1 mile western approach high density housing all the way. In actual fact planning restrictions in place for east Belfast, in that areas which could have housing eg the Oval, no housing allowed. Also the whole of Belfast city centre has height restriction in place of 120m. So no iconic tall buildings in Titantic quarter.
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What amuses me most about all this whinging is that in reality, it isn't going to make a blind bit of difference. Is it really that bad for those in living in east belfast? Do you propose we just shut the whole thing down because anything short of aircraft blasting off vertically (and rather quietly to boot), and doing the same in order to land, is going to piss off those people living near an airport. It is a reality of modern urban living and while I dont advocate flybe buying a fleet of VC-10's to pester belfast at 4am, it is regretably one of those things, like traffic, like the weather, like UTV that we all just have to put up with to some extent. Yes, we have factual control over airports in the UK but in reality, we need them and the benefit outweighs the loss.
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As someone who has in the past lived 250m from the BHD perimeter fence in East Belfast I can tell you that the only noticeable noise comes from jet departures and the Let410s. The road noise from the Sydenham bypass generates more noise than the majority of the departures and arrivals. The flybe Dashes are very quiet - all you hear on departure is about 2 seconds of a "burrrr" noise, no louder than a van driving by outside of the house. Jet departures and reverse thrust by jets on arrival make louder and more persistant noise.
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LH take control of bmi for £318m
Now that this deal has become a reality, what might it mean for NI?
Too early to do anything other than speculate here on the forum, but my thoughts are - reduce the rotations between BHD and LHR by two or three a day and use these at LHR for additional German services, or possibly for new flights under Open Skies. 11% of all slots at LHR is a massive chunk of assets - bigger even than Virgin.
Your thoughts on the future ahead for bmi/LH ......
Too early to do anything other than speculate here on the forum, but my thoughts are - reduce the rotations between BHD and LHR by two or three a day and use these at LHR for additional German services, or possibly for new flights under Open Skies. 11% of all slots at LHR is a massive chunk of assets - bigger even than Virgin.
Your thoughts on the future ahead for bmi/LH ......
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Easyjet have released some of their summer 09 from Belfast. Venice, Prague and Berlin so far not released, but hopefully fingers crossed, at least Prague will make a return. Not had opportunity to have detailed look at frequencies as yet.
Malaga, Palma, Alicante, Faro, Nice all still high frequency over the summer peak.
Malaga, Palma, Alicante, Faro, Nice all still high frequency over the summer peak.
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Stuff Vienna, if EZY pull off prague/venice which seems to be the case EI/LS or anybody should be in there especially with prague.
Perhaps Vienna is a replacement for Amsterdam/Paris. Are these two routes still doing as terrible as ever?
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Just reading some of the posts here re Aer Lingus and their routes ex Belfast. I have been speaking to a senior member of staff at Aer Lingus and they say that there are no plans to make any changes to the route structure at Belfast International in the foreseeable future.
Besides all that whether Aer Lingus would look at say Prague is unlikely given the experience that they had with Budapest, and while some may argue that Prague is a more popular choice, others would say Prague has been visited by a big amount of locals here and hence same customers may be looking for another city break choice.
Aer Lingus will only take new routes from Belfast where they are sure of filling at least 100 seats on the 320 (out of 172) and this may be done by block selling seats to a travel firm, as in the case of Muncih and Milan where 100 seats on each trip are block booked at an agreed rate by some travel agent/firm.
And yes many of the existing flights eg CDG often are below 100 pax, the objective of Aer Lingus here is to consolidate and give some consistency so that passengers will know where they fly to. When the economy picks up the long term strategy for BFS is a transatlantic service, and who knows when this may happen but I would imagine that wont now materialise until at least 2010!
On a separate note I think that Lufthansa buying Bmi is good news for Aer Lingus in the context that if BA had bought the company where would that have left the interlining arrangement between BA & EI?
Besides all that whether Aer Lingus would look at say Prague is unlikely given the experience that they had with Budapest, and while some may argue that Prague is a more popular choice, others would say Prague has been visited by a big amount of locals here and hence same customers may be looking for another city break choice.
Aer Lingus will only take new routes from Belfast where they are sure of filling at least 100 seats on the 320 (out of 172) and this may be done by block selling seats to a travel firm, as in the case of Muncih and Milan where 100 seats on each trip are block booked at an agreed rate by some travel agent/firm.
And yes many of the existing flights eg CDG often are below 100 pax, the objective of Aer Lingus here is to consolidate and give some consistency so that passengers will know where they fly to. When the economy picks up the long term strategy for BFS is a transatlantic service, and who knows when this may happen but I would imagine that wont now materialise until at least 2010!
On a separate note I think that Lufthansa buying Bmi is good news for Aer Lingus in the context that if BA had bought the company where would that have left the interlining arrangement between BA & EI?
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Can anyone answer a question I have, that really amuses me, regarding the presentation of the arrivals info for Bfs on ceefax page 477?
I have often wondered how it was set up, in terms of how far in advance arrivals were shown. I used to think that it was lnked to time, eg, six hours in advance.
Last night, however, I noticed that the info carried right through to about 10.00am this morning, but only because there are not as many arrivals now on a Saturday night.
I am now wondering if the presentation is linked to a number of lines on the second ceefax page. The arrivals only ever seem to carry on the first 3-4 lines of the second page.
Am I right and if so why is it restricted like this? It is not linked exactly to the info on the web site, as ceefax is showing one more flight than the web site at the moment. Why don't they just release two pages of info? Have they only paid for a certain number of lines for info? Bhd for example seems to run 12 hours in advance, a more sensible way to do it I think.
Can anyone explain please?
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I have often wondered how it was set up, in terms of how far in advance arrivals were shown. I used to think that it was lnked to time, eg, six hours in advance.
Last night, however, I noticed that the info carried right through to about 10.00am this morning, but only because there are not as many arrivals now on a Saturday night.
I am now wondering if the presentation is linked to a number of lines on the second ceefax page. The arrivals only ever seem to carry on the first 3-4 lines of the second page.
Am I right and if so why is it restricted like this? It is not linked exactly to the info on the web site, as ceefax is showing one more flight than the web site at the moment. Why don't they just release two pages of info? Have they only paid for a certain number of lines for info? Bhd for example seems to run 12 hours in advance, a more sensible way to do it I think.
Can anyone explain please?
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what amuses me more is that you still use Ceefax!!!
So what someone uses ceefax, pobably most people have used teletext in the last week. And a lot of people still read newspapers oh dear how prehistoric of them......... you are easily amused.
So what someone uses ceefax, pobably most people have used teletext in the last week. And a lot of people still read newspapers oh dear how prehistoric of them......... you are easily amused.
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True Blue,
Ignore the pointless comments
and try this email address:
[email protected]
I emailed them on the same subject a few years ago. For a few months after I got their response BFS arrivals went onto a full two pages. However it went back to 1 page and three lines thereafter. Might be worth a try again.
By the way, that email address was pretty hard to find back then. Hopefully it's still in use.
Ignore the pointless comments
and try this email address:[email protected]
I emailed them on the same subject a few years ago. For a few months after I got their response BFS arrivals went onto a full two pages. However it went back to 1 page and three lines thereafter. Might be worth a try again.
By the way, that email address was pretty hard to find back then. Hopefully it's still in use.