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Appreciate your points, but a think the issue is why doesn't every destination take equal pain - NCL does tend to come off worst. Also, it's the wholesale cancellations when the going gets tough that has upset the Gold Carders at my place of work - not trying to run any type of service is "dissing" the North East. And don't get me started on how a so called full level service airline actually deals with its customers at these times...
Quote - "One final point, the timings on the NCL route from LHR lend themselves to at least one aircraft spending the day on several NCL rotations"
Might do in theory, but doesn't seem to work like that in practice - usually just one aircraft appears more than once in a day and very rare for an aircraft to make more than two visits.
Quote - "One final point, the timings on the NCL route from LHR lend themselves to at least one aircraft spending the day on several NCL rotations"
Might do in theory, but doesn't seem to work like that in practice - usually just one aircraft appears more than once in a day and very rare for an aircraft to make more than two visits.
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Channex101 - I never said that Jet2 were pulling the base simply asking the question "are we seeing them gradually pulling the base".
Whilst I have no inside knowledge of LS ops the evidence seems to point firmly in this direction. First the obvious route reductions and frequencies from NCL, secondly LS are currently recruiting cabin crew at every base except NCL and third yesterday LS were still selling flights to PMI during the half term holiday in May for £10.99. This last point seems to indicate problems with sales from NCL for LS, especially compared to what EZY and TOM flights to the same desitination were selling for on the same day.
The other thing that particularly concerns me is this rumour about LS are about to commence flights to New York on a charter bases. I have particular doubts that this will work and if as I suspect it turns out to be a disaster in terms of sales and is pulled the chances of NCL securing a legacy carrier to the New York is greatly damaged. For the sake of the North East business community which is crying out for this link lets hope this venture by LS never gets off the ground.
Whilst I have no inside knowledge of LS ops the evidence seems to point firmly in this direction. First the obvious route reductions and frequencies from NCL, secondly LS are currently recruiting cabin crew at every base except NCL and third yesterday LS were still selling flights to PMI during the half term holiday in May for £10.99. This last point seems to indicate problems with sales from NCL for LS, especially compared to what EZY and TOM flights to the same desitination were selling for on the same day.
The other thing that particularly concerns me is this rumour about LS are about to commence flights to New York on a charter bases. I have particular doubts that this will work and if as I suspect it turns out to be a disaster in terms of sales and is pulled the chances of NCL securing a legacy carrier to the New York is greatly damaged. For the sake of the North East business community which is crying out for this link lets hope this venture by LS never gets off the ground.
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centrefix25 - the date I checked was Wed 28th May outbound and whilst it is not available today for £10.99 - showing £39.99 at the moment this still is way behing TOM or EZY on the same day.
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Has anyone noticed the big expansion of longhaul charter flights in early 2009 connected with cruises. At the latest count there are 4 to barbados and 1 to Miami between Jan and April 2009.
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Lets hope the long haul charters continue - I'm sure weekly or fortnightly frequencies would work and capture an untapped market. BGI and MIA on the NCL departure boards will look lovely.
I was previously not trying to diss BA - they operate probably one of the most valuable connections out of NCL, however the LHR-NCL route does frequently suffer during periods of disruption. I think on monday, not even 50% of flights operated, which will pee off business passengers are regular travellers, as they will see that day and assume the service as being unreliable???? I understand LHR is heavily restrained in terms of slots and weather will have an effect, but BA cannot let any one certain route suffer and need to recognise that those complaints over service failures need addressing.
I think the consolidation from LS is not a bad thing. They are being sensible during a time of soaring oil prices and tough competition. By doing this, they may well come of the best in future as they are concentrating on the money makers and not cross subsidising anything. I have to agree with NYC, I sincerely hope it doesn't start as it could jeopardise NCL's chances of a so called legacy operation to NYC!?
I was previously not trying to diss BA - they operate probably one of the most valuable connections out of NCL, however the LHR-NCL route does frequently suffer during periods of disruption. I think on monday, not even 50% of flights operated, which will pee off business passengers are regular travellers, as they will see that day and assume the service as being unreliable???? I understand LHR is heavily restrained in terms of slots and weather will have an effect, but BA cannot let any one certain route suffer and need to recognise that those complaints over service failures need addressing.
I think the consolidation from LS is not a bad thing. They are being sensible during a time of soaring oil prices and tough competition. By doing this, they may well come of the best in future as they are concentrating on the money makers and not cross subsidising anything. I have to agree with NYC, I sincerely hope it doesn't start as it could jeopardise NCL's chances of a so called legacy operation to NYC!?
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EK Feb figures
CAA provisional stats are out
NCL-DXB 12555 pax = 216 per flight based on 58 or 78% load factor based
on the 332 HD. Not checked to see if any LD's operated or cancellations.
On the up still and the same for BHX, GLA & MAN DXB.
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NCL-DXB 12555 pax = 216 per flight based on 58 or 78% load factor based
on the 332 HD. Not checked to see if any LD's operated or cancellations.
On the up still and the same for BHX, GLA & MAN DXB.
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DL93 you possibly could be right about Servisair and TOM - heard a rumour from 2 different sources that it could be a reality!?!
Good news on the EK load factor and pax figs. Nice to see the route is working, with any aircraft - some had doubts!
Good news on the EK load factor and pax figs. Nice to see the route is working, with any aircraft - some had doubts!
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ncleflights, whats your point about crew recruitment?
EasyJet cery rarely recruit for NCL and when they do its usually only a
handful, oh and by the way the reason we are not recruiting for NCL is because this years new course of cabin are already fully trained up! they started in Feb.
Flights might still be selling cheap for May but lets face it, its only the beginning of summer isnt it. Palma was one of the busiest flights last summer and it was also one of the top selling routes for J2 from all bases.
Things are simmering down a bit, in the next year or so I can see the whole J2 operation changing, leaving cities and going charter, Jet2holidays is now very very popular carring a huge amount of pax in the first year. I cant see the base going anywhere, with talks of long haul and charter operations they base will change NOT CLOSE.... so can we nip that rumour in the bud before it starts, some of us on here like myself and 757speedbreaks work for J2, its not nice to see people discussing your employer shutting shop in your base, we all have mortgages to pay and although like you say, you have NO insight into Jet2 ops, it still always puts that thought in the back of your mind "is my job safe" as we all know how airlines come nad go these days
EasyJet cery rarely recruit for NCL and when they do its usually only a
handful, oh and by the way the reason we are not recruiting for NCL is because this years new course of cabin are already fully trained up! they started in Feb.
Flights might still be selling cheap for May but lets face it, its only the beginning of summer isnt it. Palma was one of the busiest flights last summer and it was also one of the top selling routes for J2 from all bases.
Things are simmering down a bit, in the next year or so I can see the whole J2 operation changing, leaving cities and going charter, Jet2holidays is now very very popular carring a huge amount of pax in the first year. I cant see the base going anywhere, with talks of long haul and charter operations they base will change NOT CLOSE.... so can we nip that rumour in the bud before it starts, some of us on here like myself and 757speedbreaks work for J2, its not nice to see people discussing your employer shutting shop in your base, we all have mortgages to pay and although like you say, you have NO insight into Jet2 ops, it still always puts that thought in the back of your mind "is my job safe" as we all know how airlines come nad go these days
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channex101 you and 757speedbrakes really need to stop listening to the spin that LS give you.
Whilst you work for LS I would remind you that recently the pair of you put out how safe the LGW route was, no surprise that a week later it had been chopped.
Perhaps ultimately though you need to have a word with your base manager maybe she is not been as up front with you as she should.
On the price front the flights may be May but are in the half term school holidays to one of the most popular holiday destinations in the med and your not concerened at the poor loads at this time? God help you all if thats the case.
Whilst you work for LS I would remind you that recently the pair of you put out how safe the LGW route was, no surprise that a week later it had been chopped.
Perhaps ultimately though you need to have a word with your base manager maybe she is not been as up front with you as she should.
On the price front the flights may be May but are in the half term school holidays to one of the most popular holiday destinations in the med and your not concerened at the poor loads at this time? God help you all if thats the case.
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I just hope that if the company you work for goes tits up then i really hope you read about in on here weeks before so you too can worry about how your financial commitments will be paid.
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Channex101 I doubt if anyone will ever read anything that on it's own will be of very much relevance 'weeks in advance'. What the forum does do is from time to time draw ones attention to pieces of information that subsequently may or may not become of greater significance. In your case you should perhaps consider the financial results of the holding company of LS & it's profits warnings, derive comfort or not, as the case may be as to what steps you see are being taken, rather than rise to the rantings of others with their own agenda's
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Could someone tell me why the airport is abjectly poor in turning round an aircraft if you have to use busses and the ambulift. There were 4 aircraft in ( including 1 shut up on a remote) yet it took over 15 minutes to get an estimate for the busses and the ambulift took over 40 minutes to disembark our wheelchair passenger.
It does not suprise me that no one wants to operate out of here if that is the service that aviation companies receive. The airport just cant cope or do they not give a monkeys.
Or is the poor service systemic of a wider NE/Geordie mentality. Having been up here for almost 5 years and having seen no improvement . I can but observe that the Northern Rock fiasco,Child Benefit Data Loss,canoe man fraud and various cases of animal mistreatment and cruelty point to problems stemming from the North Eastern mindset.
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It does not suprise me that no one wants to operate out of here if that is the service that aviation companies receive. The airport just cant cope or do they not give a monkeys.
Or is the poor service systemic of a wider NE/Geordie mentality. Having been up here for almost 5 years and having seen no improvement . I can but observe that the Northern Rock fiasco,Child Benefit Data Loss,canoe man fraud and various cases of animal mistreatment and cruelty point to problems stemming from the North Eastern mindset.
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Or is the poor service systemic of a wider NE/Geordie mentality. Having been up here for almost 5 years and having seen no improvement . I can but observe that the Northern Rock fiasco,Child Benefit Data Loss,canoe man fraud and various cases of animal mistreatment and cruelty point to problems stemming from the North Eastern mind
Bizarre - what are you on?
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I don't think customer service exists anywhere in the uk, though NCL is particularly at fault.
On one of my last trips abroad, we checked in for an internal flight in at 9.45am(with hold luggage) for a 10.30am flight, the inbound plane arrived at the gate at 9.55am. The outbound passengers started to board just after 10.05am and we took off at 10.20am. The plane was a spotless Airbus, virtually full.
No chance of that happening over here.
On one of my last trips abroad, we checked in for an internal flight in at 9.45am(with hold luggage) for a 10.30am flight, the inbound plane arrived at the gate at 9.55am. The outbound passengers started to board just after 10.05am and we took off at 10.20am. The plane was a spotless Airbus, virtually full.
No chance of that happening over here.