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Yes, I know, that is the thing about Cork though, isn't it, be it the airport or the county as a whole. It makes you as mad as anything but try living without the place for one day and you cant! Cant live with it and cant live without it!
Good to see a restoration of the Wroclaw service even if it is not until well into next summer. Was there once years ago for a wedding and getting there through Stansted with Ryanair and onto Berlin with Buzz and then the overnight train to Krakow and making sure you stayed awake long enough to not forget to get off the train at Wroclaw was one tough job. Then a few years ago Central Wings came on the route with 737s and that did not last too long as by then C0 were on the way to becoming a hospital case which was a pity. Now it is great to hear that Wizz are ready to give Wroclaw & Cork another go and let us hope it works out far better this time. Any new route is good news be it in good times or not so good so top marks to the CAA above for this welcome break. Now, what is that I hear about Wizz putting yet another aeroplane into Prague? Hint, hint!
Good to see a restoration of the Wroclaw service even if it is not until well into next summer. Was there once years ago for a wedding and getting there through Stansted with Ryanair and onto Berlin with Buzz and then the overnight train to Krakow and making sure you stayed awake long enough to not forget to get off the train at Wroclaw was one tough job. Then a few years ago Central Wings came on the route with 737s and that did not last too long as by then C0 were on the way to becoming a hospital case which was a pity. Now it is great to hear that Wizz are ready to give Wroclaw & Cork another go and let us hope it works out far better this time. Any new route is good news be it in good times or not so good so top marks to the CAA above for this welcome break. Now, what is that I hear about Wizz putting yet another aeroplane into Prague? Hint, hint!
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It may yet be a sign or something like that but a photo of the Jet 2 757 that flew the ORK to TLV detail the other day just came my way and guess what the name is that is inscribed just below the first officer's window?
Jet 2 New York!
It aint over yet, folks.
Not by a long shot!
Jet 2 New York!
It aint over yet, folks.
Not by a long shot!
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Im glad to see that ORK has managed to secure a new route, especially in the current climate. I would have thought that demand for routes into central/eastern Europe would have softened quite a bit, at one point people were virtually commuting between Ireland and central Europe. I suppose a significant number of immigrants have settled in Ireland, bought houses, cars, had children here, etc and would still visit home, etc.
The Jet2 had "Jet2 New York" painted on because of a series of charter/scheduled services LS operated LBA-JFK around christmas last year. These flights were so successful that they will not be returning this year
Apparently this series of flights was used to gain ETOPS certification, LS would have had to run some flights in any case, being the canny operation they are they defrayed the cost somewhat by operating them as commercial flights.
Brian.
The Jet2 had "Jet2 New York" painted on because of a series of charter/scheduled services LS operated LBA-JFK around christmas last year. These flights were so successful that they will not be returning this year
Apparently this series of flights was used to gain ETOPS certification, LS would have had to run some flights in any case, being the canny operation they are they defrayed the cost somewhat by operating them as commercial flights.
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Can a 757 with a full payload/maximum take of limits fly for 11/12 hours? TLV to JFK is surely that, no?
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Good to see a pair Ryanair 737s flying to the London area from Cork today around lunchtime. For the month of October FR have reintroduced the long lamented Stansted lunch time flight FR903/4 on Fridays, Sundays & Mondays. The Cork based aeroplane going to Gatwick and the Stansted flight both left Cork with near full loads which is a pretty impressive feat to achieve as we head into the end of autumn before the leaner winter season begins. Nothing like a bit of a boost.
Corcaigh abu!
Corcaigh abu!
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Fairly busy on the 07:40 Ryanair to Dublin this morning. Only 26 coming back down on the 15:00 Aer Arann.
There was a massive queue to check-in for some flight this morning - I imagine it was the Tel Aviv as thinking about it it did vaguely look like a pilgrimage crowd.
There was a massive queue to check-in for some flight this morning - I imagine it was the Tel Aviv as thinking about it it did vaguely look like a pilgrimage crowd.
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Cork traffic
Traffic at Cork declined by 16% in September and is down by a similar amount for the 1st 9 months.
Ironically there will be more seats this winter compared to 08/09. EI are fully utilising the 4 based aircarft and both Wizz and BMI Baby will have more flights. FR are down 5 flights on Stansted but have a double daily on LPL on FR and SU.
How this affects the traffic remains to be seen but there's a good chance that the rate of decrease will slow down after this month as the loss of PIK, EMA and BTS at the end of Oct 08 will no longer be a factor.
Ironically there will be more seats this winter compared to 08/09. EI are fully utilising the 4 based aircarft and both Wizz and BMI Baby will have more flights. FR are down 5 flights on Stansted but have a double daily on LPL on FR and SU.
How this affects the traffic remains to be seen but there's a good chance that the rate of decrease will slow down after this month as the loss of PIK, EMA and BTS at the end of Oct 08 will no longer be a factor.
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It being last Sunday and old news and now no more than chipper wrappers so to speak but it was again interesting to observe last Sunday's Ryanair loads to Gatwick by the Cork based 737 and the extra Stansted flight both had good patronage. Makes one question what are Ryanair up to by cutting Stansted-Cork so much for the winter with just two daily flights? Could both Stansted and indeed Gatwick easily absorb more capacity from Cork throughout the winter season without too much problem?
Is it purely yield management to keep the FR prices to the London area high from Cork or is there any possibility that it might be just a little more sinister by trying to promote the FR flights from snn?
Hmm - though trying hard to remain open minded on the topic for now!
Very sad news about the crew of the Air Corps Pilatus PC-9 in Galway last night. May their souls rest in peace and their families be comforted at this time.
Is it purely yield management to keep the FR prices to the London area high from Cork or is there any possibility that it might be just a little more sinister by trying to promote the FR flights from snn?
Hmm - though trying hard to remain open minded on the topic for now!
Very sad news about the crew of the Air Corps Pilatus PC-9 in Galway last night. May their souls rest in peace and their families be comforted at this time.
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Is it purely yield management to keep the FR prices to the London area high from Cork or is there any possibility that it might be just a little more sinister by trying to promote the FR flights from snn?
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I think historically FR operated up to 4 daily STN flights? FR are cutting capacity at STN and I suspect the reduction of ORK is because there would be "better" places to send the aircraft, this way FR get to keep the best ORK flights of the day (morning and evening) and expand the reach to other destinations out of STN.
I feel that LGW is chronically undeserved from ORK. FR are charging what they like for that flight, but no-one else will approach it because we all know FR would increase frequency and drop fares. (The tricks never change - just the name on the side of the plane). I think a (?very) early morning and and evening flight out of ORK would be kept busy, there are a lot of connecting possibilities at LGW, as well as business and leisure attractions. I dont think this would happen unless FR based another aircraft at Cork and I think the chances of that are slim.
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I feel that LGW is chronically undeserved from ORK. FR are charging what they like for that flight, but no-one else will approach it because we all know FR would increase frequency and drop fares. (The tricks never change - just the name on the side of the plane). I think a (?very) early morning and and evening flight out of ORK would be kept busy, there are a lot of connecting possibilities at LGW, as well as business and leisure attractions. I dont think this would happen unless FR based another aircraft at Cork and I think the chances of that are slim.
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Old terminal and Ryanair Evening Echo Read all about it
I see that the old chestnut about Cork Airport giving the old terminal to Ryanair is again hitting the headlines down South. Will someone remind the local media that there is ample capacity in the new terminal and that the notion of having two terminals in an airport of Cork's size is crazy.
There would be massive duplication of services and costs. Presumably Aerlingus, BMI Baby Jet 2 and Wizz would also be anxious to move to the old terminal if a Shannon style deal was on offer.
The new terminal would be left to a handful of charter operators and possibly Aer Aran and Air South West.
What Cork needs is a more generous incentive scheme to stimulate traffic at this time without undermining its existing route network. Much as I liked the old terminal, moving back there is simply not an option at this time.
There would be massive duplication of services and costs. Presumably Aerlingus, BMI Baby Jet 2 and Wizz would also be anxious to move to the old terminal if a Shannon style deal was on offer.
The new terminal would be left to a handful of charter operators and possibly Aer Aran and Air South West.
What Cork needs is a more generous incentive scheme to stimulate traffic at this time without undermining its existing route network. Much as I liked the old terminal, moving back there is simply not an option at this time.
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I think there's an unfortunate perception that Ryanair will offer loads of cheap flights, while Aer Lingus would continue to offer the same service from the new terminal.
It just doesn't work like that. Aer Lingus would want their share of reduced fees and would also end up withdrawing routes as it turned out that Ryanair's new ones were all the same as the ones Aer Lingus were offering anyway.
Isn't there some problem about the proximity of the old terminal to the runway anyway?
It just doesn't work like that. Aer Lingus would want their share of reduced fees and would also end up withdrawing routes as it turned out that Ryanair's new ones were all the same as the ones Aer Lingus were offering anyway.
Isn't there some problem about the proximity of the old terminal to the runway anyway?
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Turn the old terminal into a swank hotel, a viewing terrace and charge a few Euro a go or failing that just knock it down and give it a decent burial. The debris could be used to fill in the dip at runway 17 to get over the rad alt issues or for a modest runway extension if that is ever suggested again but it has had it's day for terminal use. Has the Cork mindset moved ahead at all over the last few years? A lot of Cork people can really be thick as 5h!t and reading this kind of rubbish about the old terminal in De Echo only reinforces the Cork gom mentality. Last Sunday the new terminal was so empty of passengers and visitors you could have used the length easily for a take off in anything up to an ATR sized aeroplane. Oodles of free capacity now up at Cork for a good few years to come?
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There's probably room for another based Ryanair 738 and of course they could also run the Stansted and Liverpool flights with a Cork based plane without any extra capacity.
Anything more than that would Aerlingus, Aer Arann and the overseas carriers under serious pressure.
Even if Ryanair didn't go head to head with the competition they would still dilute their load factors and critically their yields.
Anything more than that would Aerlingus, Aer Arann and the overseas carriers under serious pressure.
Even if Ryanair didn't go head to head with the competition they would still dilute their load factors and critically their yields.
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Wizzair starting Wroclaw - Cork early will mean it will be in time for the Easter season which seems to have a special place in the minds of Polish folk more than it has in the minds of us West Brit Celts not there are too many West Brit Celts in Cork, if ya know what I mean like!
Today is the last of the extra Ryanairs from Stansted as we say good bye for now to the middle of the day FR903/4. Bet the loads were good too with De Cork Jazz Festival gearing up for the weekend. It was curious that FR sought fit to restore the flight the for month - keeping up market share, maybe?
So, let us all keep a good, beady eye on the negotiations between snn and Ryanair as heralded so much in the FR website now that the end of their five year deal comes up next year. It will be a shame if the snn airport authority allow FR to fly in there for free and at the same time expect the likes of Cork passengers to pay for it - you are forewarned so take no ol' guff from snn or Ryanair and if there are any more special deals out there for FR at snn let the airlines in the Cork portfolio be equally eligable for the very same sort of deal.
No more will the wool be pulled over Cork's eyes - let this summer's loss of the Italian and Austrian charter series elswhere be a lesson to everyone.
Today is the last of the extra Ryanairs from Stansted as we say good bye for now to the middle of the day FR903/4. Bet the loads were good too with De Cork Jazz Festival gearing up for the weekend. It was curious that FR sought fit to restore the flight the for month - keeping up market share, maybe?
So, let us all keep a good, beady eye on the negotiations between snn and Ryanair as heralded so much in the FR website now that the end of their five year deal comes up next year. It will be a shame if the snn airport authority allow FR to fly in there for free and at the same time expect the likes of Cork passengers to pay for it - you are forewarned so take no ol' guff from snn or Ryanair and if there are any more special deals out there for FR at snn let the airlines in the Cork portfolio be equally eligable for the very same sort of deal.
No more will the wool be pulled over Cork's eyes - let this summer's loss of the Italian and Austrian charter series elswhere be a lesson to everyone.
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