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Noticed the terminal is being extended along with the new stands. Any idea when all the work will be finished? It looks quite close now. Have newham council decided if the number of movements can increase yet either?
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Good to read about the 250 extra seats in the lounge and the complimentary wireless (well done). Will the seats be such that, unlike the current over-deep ones, you can use your laptop comfortably ? And will the departure screens be visible from them ? At least we still have departure announcements (well done).
In passing regarding the extra seats and where to put them, does anyone ever use the "duty free" (actually not, of course) shops in the rear half of the lounge ? Whenever I am passing through they seem to be doing no business at all. Margins per day must be minimal. Surely the floorspace could be used a little more productively.
In passing regarding the extra seats and where to put them, does anyone ever use the "duty free" (actually not, of course) shops in the rear half of the lounge ? Whenever I am passing through they seem to be doing no business at all. Margins per day must be minimal. Surely the floorspace could be used a little more productively.
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Glad there will be extra seats. I was a bit disappointed to see that they had taken a load of seats out for the restaurant. Agree with previous poster re: the shops. I've never seen them busy and I never will at those prices. It's not a Gatwick or Heathrow where you could be milling about for hours before your flight, the average punter isn't in the lounge for more than 30 minutes. Similarly the current seats. Most uncomfortable 
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Took some pics of the building works for you when I was flying home on Friday ...
Also, they've removed a bit of the duty free shop and stuck in some more seats, though I've a feeling it's just until they refurb the shop.
And please don't close the shop - I use it to buy gifts for folk all the time
Absolutely stacked to the rafters on Thursday at 6:30 - I was almost tempted to offer one of those lovely European girl travellers a seat on my lap
You can see the new terminal here, plus a shield at the end, not sure if that is to shield jetblast or not ....
You can also see the new link corridor. Shame the view ain't as good from the dockside anymore - I always sit there for a smoke before I enter departure.
Also, they've removed a bit of the duty free shop and stuck in some more seats, though I've a feeling it's just until they refurb the shop.
And please don't close the shop - I use it to buy gifts for folk all the time
Absolutely stacked to the rafters on Thursday at 6:30 - I was almost tempted to offer one of those lovely European girl travellers a seat on my lap
You can see the new terminal here, plus a shield at the end, not sure if that is to shield jetblast or not ....
You can also see the new link corridor. Shame the view ain't as good from the dockside anymore - I always sit there for a smoke before I enter departure.
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I'm glad to see the expansion, it is needed but I can't help thinking that the overcrowding in the lounge on a Friday evening is going to be ten times worse.
Also, with the increased traffic waiting for a clear runway to scoot up to the eastern end to turn around, well they'll be waiting ages for a gap
On another note, I spotted a Do328 come in to LCY on Friday still in Scot Airways livery. Thought they'd all been resprayed City Flyer.
Nearly brought a tear to my eye. Reliability and friendly crew. Those were the days.....
Also, with the increased traffic waiting for a clear runway to scoot up to the eastern end to turn around, well they'll be waiting ages for a gap
On another note, I spotted a Do328 come in to LCY on Friday still in Scot Airways livery. Thought they'd all been resprayed City Flyer.
Nearly brought a tear to my eye. Reliability and friendly crew. Those were the days.....
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Since I've managed to switch to flying home on Thursday evenings rather than Fridays I must say I've not noticed it any quieter, it's still like a madhouse!
I have also become severely peed at BA's groundstaff who now herd you into the gate ages before the plane is ready, which really is uncomfortable and looks like a health & safety breach if nothing else - those wee rooms aren't designed for 120 people
It makes their job a nightmare as well - the poor dispatcher has to squeeze through a few times going back and forward between the plane and the computers .... must be under orders to try and free up space in departure lounge
I have also become severely peed at BA's groundstaff who now herd you into the gate ages before the plane is ready, which really is uncomfortable and looks like a health & safety breach if nothing else - those wee rooms aren't designed for 120 people
It makes their job a nightmare as well - the poor dispatcher has to squeeze through a few times going back and forward between the plane and the computers .... must be under orders to try and free up space in departure lounge
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Departure lounge expansion
The departure lounge is being expanded into what was previously the meridian business centre, this will mean the departure lounge will extend into the L shape bit above the check in area. I believe they said this will effectively double the lounge size.
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WX takeover of VG
"Rumour floating around the KGS office Friday is the VLM Air France deal is not going through and that BA jumped on it! Second hand so not sure how true."
The clearence of the takeover by Cityjet is taking a very long time. Final comments by interested parties were due on the 6th of March, which is nearly 8 weeks ago. Something must be happening, it would not take the Office of Fair Trading in the UK this long to clear the deal. The EasyJet takeover of GB was cleared extremely fast.
Would be a shame if it fell through, in my opinion.
The clearence of the takeover by Cityjet is taking a very long time. Final comments by interested parties were due on the 6th of March, which is nearly 8 weeks ago. Something must be happening, it would not take the Office of Fair Trading in the UK this long to clear the deal. The EasyJet takeover of GB was cleared extremely fast.
Would be a shame if it fell through, in my opinion.
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BA had complained about Air France/KLM taking over VLM on the grounds that they would then have 49% of the slots at LCY.
I sat in on a meeting with VLM management a couple of weeks back and we were told a decision was yet to be made by the OfT.
I guess we shall wait and see.
I sat in on a meeting with VLM management a couple of weeks back and we were told a decision was yet to be made by the OfT.
I guess we shall wait and see.
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Scot Airways
Dicanio10,
Scotways still have a couple of aircraft in their own livery which they use on charter flights. G-CCGS is certainly one of them.
They've also operated on behalf of VLM a few times recently.
Scotways still have a couple of aircraft in their own livery which they use on charter flights. G-CCGS is certainly one of them.
They've also operated on behalf of VLM a few times recently.
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I assume the decision we are waiting for from the OfT is not whether or not AFKL can buy VLM, but what they need to give up in order to make it work. If they OfT feels AFKL + VLM has too many LCY slots at 49% then they'll ask the new company to give up some.
I just hope they don't have to give up too many - after all BA has about 42% of LHR slots if my memory serves me right.
I just hope they don't have to give up too many - after all BA has about 42% of LHR slots if my memory serves me right.
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Interesting discussion over at "the other" forum about BACF. It says that two more ARJ are in the pipeline for winter 08/09 and negotiations with Titan and Flightline under way to provide a spare aircraft until these arrive to free up the current BACF spare aircraft for regular ops.
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As VLM are Belgian and Cityjet Irish, how much authority does the OfT have over the purchase.
Interesting too, neither Cityjet nor VLM have made any statement on a merger, in its current form the situation seems to be a change of ownership for VLM from Panta Holdings to Air France KLM.
Interesting too, neither Cityjet nor VLM have made any statement on a merger, in its current form the situation seems to be a change of ownership for VLM from Panta Holdings to Air France KLM.
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Infuriating CityJet treatment
Being one of the regulars at LCY (as well as here) I am really peeved to be treated as follows by CityJet.
On Wednesday 30 April booked out on the 5153, 14.00 LCY to Belfast City on the following Tuesday, 6 May, business meeting in Belfast the next day, returning on the 5154, 17.40 Belfast to LCY. All confirmed OK.
On Friday 2 May, at about close of business at 17.00, advised by travel agency that CityJet/Air France had just "rescheduled" my flights. Outbound now 2h45m later at 16.45, return now 2h55m earlier at 14.45. This is now useless for the business meeting in Belfast.
Only options offered, take the change or cancel.
Scrutiny of the CityJet/AFschedules shows they have cut from 3 to 2 rotations on Belfast, with just a couple of days notice. As, like most LCY routes, the morning and evening rotations were the key ones, with the midday run a filler, it is most strange to have redone the schedule, still with a Belfast-based aircraft, with departures from there now only at 08.05 and 14.45. The aircraft is back at Belfast and bedded down for the night by 18.00.
This has all the hallmarks of CityJet being short of crews and trying to stretch as best they can two round trips on the route with one crew only. You just don't use an aircraft on an LCY route like this if you can avoid it.
My questions are :
1. What on earth are CityJet doing ?
2. For those who know the EU cancellation regulations better than I do, am I entitled to anything that is going to partially offset an on-the-day expensive BMI ticket from LHR to BHD instead ? Rearrangement/cancellation with one working day's notice.
3. In the light of all this, is a letter to the UK OfT (see discussion above) about such treatment, and CityJet having insufficient resources to handle their schedules, during the "monopoly" investigation going to give them a bit of a wake-up?
On Wednesday 30 April booked out on the 5153, 14.00 LCY to Belfast City on the following Tuesday, 6 May, business meeting in Belfast the next day, returning on the 5154, 17.40 Belfast to LCY. All confirmed OK.
On Friday 2 May, at about close of business at 17.00, advised by travel agency that CityJet/Air France had just "rescheduled" my flights. Outbound now 2h45m later at 16.45, return now 2h55m earlier at 14.45. This is now useless for the business meeting in Belfast.
Only options offered, take the change or cancel.
Scrutiny of the CityJet/AFschedules shows they have cut from 3 to 2 rotations on Belfast, with just a couple of days notice. As, like most LCY routes, the morning and evening rotations were the key ones, with the midday run a filler, it is most strange to have redone the schedule, still with a Belfast-based aircraft, with departures from there now only at 08.05 and 14.45. The aircraft is back at Belfast and bedded down for the night by 18.00.
This has all the hallmarks of CityJet being short of crews and trying to stretch as best they can two round trips on the route with one crew only. You just don't use an aircraft on an LCY route like this if you can avoid it.
My questions are :
1. What on earth are CityJet doing ?
2. For those who know the EU cancellation regulations better than I do, am I entitled to anything that is going to partially offset an on-the-day expensive BMI ticket from LHR to BHD instead ? Rearrangement/cancellation with one working day's notice.
3. In the light of all this, is a letter to the UK OfT (see discussion above) about such treatment, and CityJet having insufficient resources to handle their schedules, during the "monopoly" investigation going to give them a bit of a wake-up?
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For those who know the EU cancellation regulations better than I do, am I entitled to anything that is going to partially offset an on-the-day expensive BMI ticket from LHR to BHD instead ? Rearrangement/cancellation with one working day's notice.
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You obviously enjoy the efficiency of LCY, and not looking forward to Thiefrow chaos, so try LTN. EZY flights at similar (slightly later) times to Belfast International, at time of looking, cost £135 return.
Train from the City (Moorgate, Blackfriars, City Thameslink, Farringdon, St Pancras) to Luton Airport Parkway in about the same time as the DLR takes to LCY.
No hot towels!
You obviously enjoy the efficiency of LCY, and not looking forward to Thiefrow chaos, so try LTN. EZY flights at similar (slightly later) times to Belfast International, at time of looking, cost £135 return.
Train from the City (Moorgate, Blackfriars, City Thameslink, Farringdon, St Pancras) to Luton Airport Parkway in about the same time as the DLR takes to LCY.
No hot towels!