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Thats a good point. 2008 will be a year of good choice for IOM pax. EMA is an intresting move. It has potential to be a good route. Personally I cannot see it being as sucessful as GLO, but good luck to Manx2 all the same.
With another 2 a/c on the way i doubt it will be the last announcement by Manx2 this winter. PIK or NCL anyone?
With another 2 a/c on the way i doubt it will be the last announcement by Manx2 this winter. PIK or NCL anyone?
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Why not fly
IOM-LPL (EMX/BE £38)
LPL-REU (FR £20)
£58 return! Great!
There are lots of ways. Most IOM destintions in the UK have connections to the BCN region. Eben BLK with it's daily FR service to GRO!
IOM-LPL (EMX/BE £38)
LPL-REU (FR £20)
£58 return! Great!
There are lots of ways. Most IOM destintions in the UK have connections to the BCN region. Eben BLK with it's daily FR service to GRO!
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If I lived on the Island, I think I would be glad to pay more to avoid a staging at LPL and FR into the bargain.
Just back on the LTN after three nights with mother. The Q400 is as quiet as they say it is except ... for the noise of the air emerging from the pipe over my head. I was in 21A (out and back) and the noise was very loud and irritating. For I all know the engines might have been making the noise of a Chieftain tank at full chat - the air outlet was sufficient to drown it.
Also, on the way back the cabin was freezing. The pax next to me got up to put her overcoat on. The CC agreed that it was cold and they had tried to do something about it but that, the previous day, the cabin had been too hot!
I used the new Rendezvous Lounge for the first time today and it was very good and a welcome addition after all these years. I see that Flight Support are planning to open more such lounges and the offer is £360 per person per year. The top whack on Priority Pass is £259 and they have 500 lounges worldwide (their website says). So why would anyone pay the FS rate? Even if IOM was your home base and you travelled every week, you would only get one lounge for £360, unless there is some reciprocity that I have not seen on their web site. So, save the £100 and join PP. If you are starting a new service, you normally offer a discount to begin with, not a premium!
The weather on the Island was it's usual rubbish! The cloud started at LPL on the way up and finished around BHX on the way back. Meanwhile, I am told, the sun had been shining on the unjust peoples of South East England!
Just back on the LTN after three nights with mother. The Q400 is as quiet as they say it is except ... for the noise of the air emerging from the pipe over my head. I was in 21A (out and back) and the noise was very loud and irritating. For I all know the engines might have been making the noise of a Chieftain tank at full chat - the air outlet was sufficient to drown it.
Also, on the way back the cabin was freezing. The pax next to me got up to put her overcoat on. The CC agreed that it was cold and they had tried to do something about it but that, the previous day, the cabin had been too hot!
I used the new Rendezvous Lounge for the first time today and it was very good and a welcome addition after all these years. I see that Flight Support are planning to open more such lounges and the offer is £360 per person per year. The top whack on Priority Pass is £259 and they have 500 lounges worldwide (their website says). So why would anyone pay the FS rate? Even if IOM was your home base and you travelled every week, you would only get one lounge for £360, unless there is some reciprocity that I have not seen on their web site. So, save the £100 and join PP. If you are starting a new service, you normally offer a discount to begin with, not a premium!
The weather on the Island was it's usual rubbish! The cloud started at LPL on the way up and finished around BHX on the way back. Meanwhile, I am told, the sun had been shining on the unjust peoples of South East England!
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IOM Airlines Insurance
Hi All. Does anybody know how the carriers in the IOM (Euromanx, Manx2) are covered for Insurance purposes? Do they take out their own policies or are they covered by the carriers who own the aircraft/ AOC's iw FLM/ European 2000/ VanAir etc?
Many thanks. Rich
Many thanks. Rich
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I think you will find its the exact opposite as they have now found out that the revenue and passengers they thought they would get is not what justifies a 20 million aircraft operating these routes. When will the flybe management get it...if you do not have representation on the island then you will never compete with EuroManx....Emerald didnt...Aer Arran.... need I go on.
With EuroManx having the National Flag on its aircraft and a history of having fought off the competition the Manx public are happy to book with them. You cant run an island operation from Exeter !!!!
With EuroManx having the National Flag on its aircraft and a history of having fought off the competition the Manx public are happy to book with them. You cant run an island operation from Exeter !!!!
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I think you'll find Flybe will run the Island operation (Euromanx) off the Island, ie Euromanx will go bust! Flybe can afford to charge these low fares for a while as other profitable routes will support them, EMX do not have that luxury! Its only a matter of time!
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Austro 07 I like the way you make Euromanx sound as though they are as Manx as a loghtan kipper 
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Who have they seen off ?? is it not they who seeing themselves off by outsourcing and selling their planes ??.
Aer Arran on the other hand are quite happy with the lucrative contract they've sourced from EM on the LPL route - far from EM seeing them off I would suggest that EM are dependant on them.
Emerald were shut down by the CAA - not beaten into the sea by EMX.
The majority of Manx public couldn't give a longtail's derriere who they fly with, be it an airline from Austria with gold emblems on the tail or a British loco. They just want a cheap and reliable air service. Now that Flybe have the integration woes well behind them and EMX have dropped their fares to match Flybe's, they're getting it.
Finally, Austro 07, rest assured that those people far far away in deepest darkest Exeter who you reckon haven't a clue what's going on at the coal face are more than happy with the way everything is progressing and are relishing the prospect of competing with EMX come the spring
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. Who have they seen off ?? is it not they who seeing themselves off by outsourcing and selling their planes ??.
Aer Arran on the other hand are quite happy with the lucrative contract they've sourced from EM on the LPL route - far from EM seeing them off I would suggest that EM are dependant on them.
Emerald were shut down by the CAA - not beaten into the sea by EMX.
The majority of Manx public couldn't give a longtail's derriere who they fly with, be it an airline from Austria with gold emblems on the tail or a British loco. They just want a cheap and reliable air service. Now that Flybe have the integration woes well behind them and EMX have dropped their fares to match Flybe's, they're getting it.
Finally, Austro 07, rest assured that those people far far away in deepest darkest Exeter who you reckon haven't a clue what's going on at the coal face are more than happy with the way everything is progressing and are relishing the prospect of competing with EMX come the spring
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It is illegal for the airline to run the service at a guaranteed loss to force off other competition so they will have higher fares on further bookings. ie) the plane already 3/4 full etc.
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Its nice to know there are so many ex employeees of Bacon are now working for Flybe who never had a good word for EuroManx but are still on the Island.
If passengers on the Island want reliabilty and service then just look at the airport figures. Flybe supporters can say all you like but the passengers are travelling with EuroManx and the figures prove it !!!
The island needs two airlines and sustaining a 20 million pound aircraft on 55% load factors dosent add up in anybodys book and it will be a matter of time before flybe throw the towel in on Manchester or reverse the crews to make it more economical just my opinion of course
If passengers on the Island want reliabilty and service then just look at the airport figures. Flybe supporters can say all you like but the passengers are travelling with EuroManx and the figures prove it !!!
The island needs two airlines and sustaining a 20 million pound aircraft on 55% load factors dosent add up in anybodys book and it will be a matter of time before flybe throw the towel in on Manchester or reverse the crews to make it more economical just my opinion of course
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Austro07. The economics of the Q400 speaks for itself. It breaks even at about 28 seats. Granted this is at a higher fare of around £50 per sector but Flybe do not need to have the 80% load factors that other low costs require to maintain a significant competitive advantage.
As for Flybe having no idea of how to serve an island community from Exeter, I would suggest you take a look at both Jersey and Guernsey where Flybe have been the largest carrier for the past 10yrs in their various guises. I think you'll find that there is no airline in the UK that more supports and serves the needs of an island community better than Flybe!
As for Flybe having no idea of how to serve an island community from Exeter, I would suggest you take a look at both Jersey and Guernsey where Flybe have been the largest carrier for the past 10yrs in their various guises. I think you'll find that there is no airline in the UK that more supports and serves the needs of an island community better than Flybe!
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Manx2 to open new HQ on the island in old BACON hangar and also launch facilites inside the hangers from next year.
Good to see the airline expanding and also taking on some of the ex-BACON engineers!
Check M2 website for more details.
Good to see the airline expanding and also taking on some of the ex-BACON engineers!
Check M2 website for more details.
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Austro07 - sorry, but I don't think the second paragraph of your last comments actually reflect reality.
Looking at the November IOM Airport stats. EMX are down 9.5% overall on November 2006. FlyBe are up 17.8% against the combined BACON/FlyBe numbers for Nov. 2006.
EMX are down 11.8% on LPL and down 10.5% on LCY.
On MAN, EMX are up on 2006
, but their market share which was c48% over the last several months has dropped to 38%.
The Manx public are not stupid - they know EMX is about as Manx as Lufthansa, and will go where they can get cheap fares and reliability. Granted, for several months EMX had the upper hand on reliability, and FlyBe have a reputation to rebuild, but the gap seems to be closing on that front.
Don't get me wrong, I admire much of what EMX have achieved in the last 2/3 years, bearing in mind the reputational and financial mess the current management inherited from their predecessors, but they appear to be in an unequal battle in which there will only be one winner.
Looking at the November IOM Airport stats. EMX are down 9.5% overall on November 2006. FlyBe are up 17.8% against the combined BACON/FlyBe numbers for Nov. 2006.
EMX are down 11.8% on LPL and down 10.5% on LCY.
On MAN, EMX are up on 2006
, but their market share which was c48% over the last several months has dropped to 38%.The Manx public are not stupid - they know EMX is about as Manx as Lufthansa, and will go where they can get cheap fares and reliability. Granted, for several months EMX had the upper hand on reliability, and FlyBe have a reputation to rebuild, but the gap seems to be closing on that front.
Don't get me wrong, I admire much of what EMX have achieved in the last 2/3 years, bearing in mind the reputational and financial mess the current management inherited from their predecessors, but they appear to be in an unequal battle in which there will only be one winner.
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EMB 195 on LGW-IOM
I noticed, by chance, that on the FlyBe booking engine, the first LGW-IOM and the second IOM-LGW will be operated by a Embraer 195, on Saturdays during Q1 2008. First scheduled use of the type on the route.
Can any of the FlyBe crew confirm of this is definitely right, and if so, why ? These don't appear to be especially popular rotations, where the capacity is required.
The a/c appears to be sourced from Jersey, as they have a Q400 on parallel rotations.
Can any of the FlyBe crew confirm of this is definitely right, and if so, why ? These don't appear to be especially popular rotations, where the capacity is required.
The a/c appears to be sourced from Jersey, as they have a Q400 on parallel rotations.
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Yep. We go down to LGW, then do a Guernsey/Jersey, back to LGW then home. Makes a nice change for us...don't complain!
I can only presume the loads at this time of year suit the a/c type and as the 195 is new to the channel Islands, they could do with somewhere else to go for a change as well.
I can only presume the loads at this time of year suit the a/c type and as the 195 is new to the channel Islands, they could do with somewhere else to go for a change as well.
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All happening here
So Air France coming into Ronaldsway for 2008
AirFrance-KLM buys Belgium's VLM
1 day ago
BRUSSELS (AFP) — Aviation giant AirFrance-KLM is to buy out Belgium's VLM, a major regional airlines operating out of London City Airport, VLM said in a statement Monday.
The move would see VLM, which operates a fleet of 18 Fokker 50 aircraft and one BAE 146 and uses the British airport as a hub for most of its flights, link up with Air France subsidiary CityJet.
No financial details were released.
VLM chief Johan Vanneste said the move would "create value for our customers, as this transaction will ensure them access to the largest number of destinations from London City Airport."
"The strengths of the Air France-KLM group will provide the necessary support to take the development of VLM Airlines to the next level," he said.
And major new shareholder buys into Eastern for further expansion. might not be such a bad new year on the rock
AirFrance-KLM buys Belgium's VLM
1 day ago
BRUSSELS (AFP) — Aviation giant AirFrance-KLM is to buy out Belgium's VLM, a major regional airlines operating out of London City Airport, VLM said in a statement Monday.
The move would see VLM, which operates a fleet of 18 Fokker 50 aircraft and one BAE 146 and uses the British airport as a hub for most of its flights, link up with Air France subsidiary CityJet.
No financial details were released.
VLM chief Johan Vanneste said the move would "create value for our customers, as this transaction will ensure them access to the largest number of destinations from London City Airport."
"The strengths of the Air France-KLM group will provide the necessary support to take the development of VLM Airlines to the next level," he said.
And major new shareholder buys into Eastern for further expansion. might not be such a bad new year on the rock
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Maybe that will be the end of the BA speculation and frequent flyers will be able to earn skyteam miles with AF!
Would be very surprised if AF/KL didn't take advantage of this and have either a RJ85 (AF) or a F70 (KL) night stopping to fly to either base (CDG,AMS) in the morning to make connections onto worldwide routes. Would make a very profitable route!
Would be very surprised if AF/KL didn't take advantage of this and have either a RJ85 (AF) or a F70 (KL) night stopping to fly to either base (CDG,AMS) in the morning to make connections onto worldwide routes. Would make a very profitable route!