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Open Skies appears to be a very divisive subject among some parts of the Islands community.
It may have been the right thing during the economic boom times, but without a doubt things are now changing.
If there is no sign of a new operator (possibly BMIR or whoever) officialy by October then the Island may be on a very slippery slope.
It may have been the right thing during the economic boom times, but without a doubt things are now changing.
If there is no sign of a new operator (possibly BMIR or whoever) officialy by October then the Island may be on a very slippery slope.
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The whole debate about open liberalised air space becomes a hot topic when you look to Islands like IOM JER etc. Clearly the power of easyJet has had a huge ripple effect on the complete air services from IOM. Now the challenge is easyJet are in and they hold the key to securing the future of the London IOM market effectively.
Some regulation is good but then we likely would have a monopoly player and high prices, it seems nigh impossible to strike a balance...
Some regulation is good but then we likely would have a monopoly player and high prices, it seems nigh impossible to strike a balance...
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It'll be interesting to see what happens here, I don't think in all honesty EZ will up frequency to any more than 2 rotations a day as the overall loads on both the BE and BACF would probably be covered by a 320! Possibly an early morning departure in reverse, (again doubt they will nightstop crews) and a late evening rotation.
One thing EZY do well is fill planes and make money....I doubt they will change this in order to satisfy the needs of local communities like BE or BACF, they would much prefer to use the slots at LGW for more lucrative money making routes.
Of course I stand to be corrected, but sometimes I think be careful what you wish for! I feel sorry for any locally based BACF or BE crews that may be affected by these services being cut. Not to mention the local handling agents and airport staff in general!
One thing EZY do well is fill planes and make money....I doubt they will change this in order to satisfy the needs of local communities like BE or BACF, they would much prefer to use the slots at LGW for more lucrative money making routes.
Of course I stand to be corrected, but sometimes I think be careful what you wish for! I feel sorry for any locally based BACF or BE crews that may be affected by these services being cut. Not to mention the local handling agents and airport staff in general!
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I could see Easy perhaps adding an extra Friday rotation on the LGW route, but little more than that.
As already mentioned the Easy model is all about getting bums on seats, to a degree that can be done at IOM but there will never be the market that you find on their best performing routes.
The Isle of Man would seem to be a bit of a niche market needing frequency but also with a population that now seems to think that all flights should be £20....
The only way to guarantee these connections in the current market would be to somehow make one of the IOM - LON routes a PSO. That opens a whole new can of worms as far as licensing etc goes.
As already mentioned the Easy model is all about getting bums on seats, to a degree that can be done at IOM but there will never be the market that you find on their best performing routes.
The Isle of Man would seem to be a bit of a niche market needing frequency but also with a population that now seems to think that all flights should be £20....
The only way to guarantee these connections in the current market would be to somehow make one of the IOM - LON routes a PSO. That opens a whole new can of worms as far as licensing etc goes.
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I'm not sure it's necessarily just the day trip market but the need for an early and late departure/arrival each day.
People well may choose to stay overnight on business, but they need to get hear at a decent time. Arriving at 1400 or whenever the Easyjet flight may be is more or less a waste of a business day.
People well may choose to stay overnight on business, but they need to get hear at a decent time. Arriving at 1400 or whenever the Easyjet flight may be is more or less a waste of a business day.
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SOU discontinued from 20th July?
Flybe Messing Passengers About Again - Local News - Manx Forums, Live Chat, Blogs & Classifieds for the Isle of Man - Manxforums.com
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Not hugely surprising that SOU is being suspended. They've tried it several times now but obviously it is marginal at very best. If they're ditching it in mid summer that would suggest its performing pretty poorly.
Use it or lose it folks, they're a business not a charity.
Use it or lose it folks, they're a business not a charity.
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I agree Bristol is probably the most likely to go next, never seems to be busy.
Liverpool is a funny one. If Flybe retain the hospital transfer contract then it will probably continue as is or at least twice daily (early morning/later afternoon or early evening). Without the hospital transfer, who knows.
Liverpool is a funny one. If Flybe retain the hospital transfer contract then it will probably continue as is or at least twice daily (early morning/later afternoon or early evening). Without the hospital transfer, who knows.
So if my understanding is right:
Edinburgh canned by Loganair
Glasgow canned by Loganair
Southampton canned by Flybe
Leeds canned by Citywing
London City canned by BACF end of October
Gatwick canned by Flybe end of March
Bristol and Luton facing uncertainty, Citywing's wings clipped by being unable to use the J31 without incurring APD so effectively limiting them to a Let 410 operation for the future and no certainty of any increases from easyJet on London next summer to replace Flybe and BACF services.
If this isn't a crisis facing the island's air services, it's certainly doing a very good job of masquerading as one. Quite unbelievable.
Edinburgh canned by Loganair
Glasgow canned by Loganair
Southampton canned by Flybe
Leeds canned by Citywing
London City canned by BACF end of October
Gatwick canned by Flybe end of March
Bristol and Luton facing uncertainty, Citywing's wings clipped by being unable to use the J31 without incurring APD so effectively limiting them to a Let 410 operation for the future and no certainty of any increases from easyJet on London next summer to replace Flybe and BACF services.
If this isn't a crisis facing the island's air services, it's certainly doing a very good job of masquerading as one. Quite unbelievable.
So if my understanding is right:
Edinburgh canned by Loganair
Glasgow canned by Loganair
Southampton canned by Flybe
Leeds canned by Citywing
London City canned by BACF end of October
Gatwick canned by Flybe end of March
Bristol and Luton facing uncertainty, Citywing's wings clipped by being unable to use the J31 without incurring APD so effectively limiting them to a Let 410 operation for the future and no certainty of any increases from easyJet on London next summer to replace Flybe and BACF services.
If this isn't a crisis facing the island's air services, it's certainly doing a very good job of masquerading as one. Quite unbelievable.
Edinburgh canned by Loganair
Glasgow canned by Loganair
Southampton canned by Flybe
Leeds canned by Citywing
London City canned by BACF end of October
Gatwick canned by Flybe end of March
Bristol and Luton facing uncertainty, Citywing's wings clipped by being unable to use the J31 without incurring APD so effectively limiting them to a Let 410 operation for the future and no certainty of any increases from easyJet on London next summer to replace Flybe and BACF services.
If this isn't a crisis facing the island's air services, it's certainly doing a very good job of masquerading as one. Quite unbelievable.
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I am sure the powers that be will be a politically correct version of crisis..
"rapid rearrangement of service delivery by operators"
Where did you get the news about J31 and APD? I read a while ago that the IOM government will not charge 19 seat operations APD - it didn't look like the country of registration would matter, or is this a UK thing?
Citywing seem to have a Links Air J31 parked at Ronaldsway at the moment.
"rapid rearrangement of service delivery by operators"
Where did you get the news about J31 and APD? I read a while ago that the IOM government will not charge 19 seat operations APD - it didn't look like the country of registration would matter, or is this a UK thing?
Citywing seem to have a Links Air J31 parked at Ronaldsway at the moment.
I'm not hugely familiar with air transport on the IoM, but am surprised as to so many routes being cut - although it's possibly for a variety of different reasons that coincidentally have cropped up over the last few months.
Is the IoM commercial passenger aviation policy broadly one of "any UK or Manx airline can fly to/from the UK as and when they like" or are there some significant constraints ?
Has there been a recent sudden downturn in the Manx economy ?
Has tax or some other significant Govt policy changed ?
Was there a bubble over the last 2 years which has now popped meaning aviation is now returning to a long term normal level of service ?
I understand that Flybe dropping Gatwick and nil chance of a Heathrow route means Easyjet will now clean up on London - I'm assuming a double daily from London will appear from April 2014 onwards. However, it seems odd that UK regional routes are being dropped - is there a reason for this ?
Is the IoM commercial passenger aviation policy broadly one of "any UK or Manx airline can fly to/from the UK as and when they like" or are there some significant constraints ?
Has there been a recent sudden downturn in the Manx economy ?
Has tax or some other significant Govt policy changed ?
Was there a bubble over the last 2 years which has now popped meaning aviation is now returning to a long term normal level of service ?
I understand that Flybe dropping Gatwick and nil chance of a Heathrow route means Easyjet will now clean up on London - I'm assuming a double daily from London will appear from April 2014 onwards. However, it seems odd that UK regional routes are being dropped - is there a reason for this ?
Just a thought -
The Isle of Man is a tax haven, and has been for many years. But with more attention being paid to tax havens, and the political mood turning against them, I suspect they are attracting much less business than in the past.
Often, documents need to be signed personally and witnessed in a particular jurisdiction to be effective, so day trips by 'suits' or celebs anxious to protect their loot from HMRC or the IRS were necessary.
Could this explain some of the reduction in demand?
The Isle of Man is a tax haven, and has been for many years. But with more attention being paid to tax havens, and the political mood turning against them, I suspect they are attracting much less business than in the past.
Often, documents need to be signed personally and witnessed in a particular jurisdiction to be effective, so day trips by 'suits' or celebs anxious to protect their loot from HMRC or the IRS were necessary.
Could this explain some of the reduction in demand?