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Using the March 2008 data from the airport website, EMX were scheduled to operate 156 return flights IOM-LCY and carried 3769 pax, which is an average of 25 per flight.
Suggests a J41 might be a little small for peak demand on this route. What about a Saab 2000 ?
Suggests a J41 might be a little small for peak demand on this route. What about a Saab 2000 ?
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Apologies, let me re-phrase.
Luxair operate Q400s into LCY. SAS used to. Flybe have in the past flown Q400s into LCY. Several of the current fleet remain approved for the steep approach.
The point I made was that the poster was wrong when he/she said the Q400 wasn't within LCY limits. The aircraft is approved to fly into LCY. I don't personally believe flybe would begin operate it into there however.
Luxair operate Q400s into LCY. SAS used to. Flybe have in the past flown Q400s into LCY. Several of the current fleet remain approved for the steep approach.
The point I made was that the poster was wrong when he/she said the Q400 wasn't within LCY limits. The aircraft is approved to fly into LCY. I don't personally believe flybe would begin operate it into there however.
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flybe have never operated a q400 into LCY, possibly a couple of training flight but never ever a sheduled service......................i know because i used to work for flybe ops.................
flybe did steep approach training at Glos dor 2 months and decided it wasnt feasablke due to the pax loads and the tail strike possibilities.
fl370 officeboy where r u getting your data dfrom? they flew the 37 and 50 seaters in there
flybe did steep approach training at Glos dor 2 months and decided it wasnt feasablke due to the pax loads and the tail strike possibilities.
fl370 officeboy where r u getting your data dfrom? they flew the 37 and 50 seaters in there
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Finally someone speaks sense!
A saab 2000?! Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that have the same number of seats as a Dash 8-300?
BE - why would they enter an airport with absolutely no flexibility with a semi - low cost model trying to fill 78 seats when EMX is ownly filling 25?!
Eastern would probably do ok on the route as they operate smaller a/c with a very well known and highly rated business model but as people say their J41s are a little small but their Saabs which hold 50 pax (same as 2/3 of EMXs daily flights) would work better on the busier periods (fridays and mondays).
But as manx crab says surely the best and most obvious choice would be VLM. They have the a/c as it sit on the ground most of the day and if they were able to get the EMX slots they would be laughing! They would have three daily flights to the capital with great connections to Benelux plus Jersey etc. Also, they would have another slot for expansion!
For now EMX offer a great service along with VLM and maybe that is the way it will stay....until the end of the week atleast anyway! ;!
Finally someone speaks sense!
A saab 2000?! Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that have the same number of seats as a Dash 8-300?
BE - why would they enter an airport with absolutely no flexibility with a semi - low cost model trying to fill 78 seats when EMX is ownly filling 25?!
Eastern would probably do ok on the route as they operate smaller a/c with a very well known and highly rated business model but as people say their J41s are a little small but their Saabs which hold 50 pax (same as 2/3 of EMXs daily flights) would work better on the busier periods (fridays and mondays).
But as manx crab says surely the best and most obvious choice would be VLM. They have the a/c as it sit on the ground most of the day and if they were able to get the EMX slots they would be laughing! They would have three daily flights to the capital with great connections to Benelux plus Jersey etc. Also, they would have another slot for expansion!
For now EMX offer a great service along with VLM and maybe that is the way it will stay....until the end of the week atleast anyway! ;!
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If Euromanx are only getting an average of 25 pax per flight, then a J41 is the ideal a/c, in terms of profit for the airline on this route, and if it is only a 1 hr flight people will not complain too much, I mean 9 people have no body sat next to them anyway as regards to comfort, and the J41 is faster than a Dash 300.
Can you imagine the logistical nightmare of putting an a/c into the Isle of Man with only an extra 21 seats to operate on only 2 flights per week on Friday and Monday, no engineering support on the SAAB, crew accommodation, empty legs to get the a/c in to position from another base.
There is your extra profit gone already
If Euromanx are only getting an average of 25 pax per flight, then a J41 is the ideal a/c, in terms of profit for the airline on this route, and if it is only a 1 hr flight people will not complain too much, I mean 9 people have no body sat next to them anyway as regards to comfort, and the J41 is faster than a Dash 300.
Can you imagine the logistical nightmare of putting an a/c into the Isle of Man with only an extra 21 seats to operate on only 2 flights per week on Friday and Monday, no engineering support on the SAAB, crew accommodation, empty legs to get the a/c in to position from another base.
There is your extra profit gone already
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If VLM were to expand on LCY then I think they would have to base an aircraft in the IOM if they wanted to get the higher yielding traffic. They have an excellent product and would do well I am sure
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Don't they already base a Aircraft here all day monday to Fridays?
I'm sure they could fit in another LCY rotation, or even how about Isle of Man-Manchester-London City-IOM, with another Aircarft doing a reverse of this route?
I'm sure they could fit in another LCY rotation, or even how about Isle of Man-Manchester-London City-IOM, with another Aircarft doing a reverse of this route?
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VLM to LCY
I think the point is that the a/c that day stops in IOM does an AM peak time flight to LCY from another point of origin, then is not required during the day, so flies to IOM where is carries a few pax, generates some £££ and can park cheaper than it could at LCY. In the evening it reverses the process.
Yes, the a/c could easily do another IOM-LCY-IOM rotation instead of sitting on the ground, but the high yielding traffic doesn't want to fly mid day. To get that traffic the a/c would need to start in IOM at 7am-ish and finish at 9pm-ish, so something else would have to give in the VLM network to generate this a/c. Then they would need to night stop a crew etc, with all that means.
Whether the attraction of a clear run at all LCY traffic would entice VLM to do this, time will probably tell.
Yes, the a/c could easily do another IOM-LCY-IOM rotation instead of sitting on the ground, but the high yielding traffic doesn't want to fly mid day. To get that traffic the a/c would need to start in IOM at 7am-ish and finish at 9pm-ish, so something else would have to give in the VLM network to generate this a/c. Then they would need to night stop a crew etc, with all that means.
Whether the attraction of a clear run at all LCY traffic would entice VLM to do this, time will probably tell.
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Flybe- BHX/IOM
Good news on BHX-IOM. From Flybe website today:
Flybe bowled over by Isle of Man – Birmingham success
08 May 2008
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional low cost airline, has today announced the extension of its double-daily Birmingham – Isle of Man service through the 2008/9 Winter Season following the enormous success enjoyed since tickets went on sale at the end of November 2007.
The highly popular service, with one way tickets available from £29.99 including taxes and charges, began operating at the end of March and continues to exceed all expectations, according to Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, Mike Rutter.
“We’ve been absolutely bowled over by how quickly this route has become such a success,” he said. “Tickets have been flying off the shelf and so we have had no hesitation in taking the decision to continue flying the Birmingham to Isle of Man route throughout the upcoming winter season.”
Mr Rutter added that the decision further confirms Flybe’s position as Europe’s largest regional low cost carrier, committed to offering affordable, reliable and direct travel from the regions for both business and leisure travellers.
Flybe bowled over by Isle of Man – Birmingham success
08 May 2008
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional low cost airline, has today announced the extension of its double-daily Birmingham – Isle of Man service through the 2008/9 Winter Season following the enormous success enjoyed since tickets went on sale at the end of November 2007.
The highly popular service, with one way tickets available from £29.99 including taxes and charges, began operating at the end of March and continues to exceed all expectations, according to Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, Mike Rutter.
“We’ve been absolutely bowled over by how quickly this route has become such a success,” he said. “Tickets have been flying off the shelf and so we have had no hesitation in taking the decision to continue flying the Birmingham to Isle of Man route throughout the upcoming winter season.”
Mr Rutter added that the decision further confirms Flybe’s position as Europe’s largest regional low cost carrier, committed to offering affordable, reliable and direct travel from the regions for both business and leisure travellers.
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Perhaps this man speaks with forked tongue....................
The IOM Airport's published statistics for April '08 show that the number of passengers between IOM/BHX fell by 8% during April '08 compered to Apr '07.......This being the month which Flybe started their so called 'amazingly successful' double daily service. Also Flybe have not announced but have cut back IOM BHX flts by cancelling all Tue/Wed/Thur am services during May....
So much for Mr Rutter's statement
Ahmmmmmmmmm, we won't talk about their on time performance.
The IOM Airport's published statistics for April '08 show that the number of passengers between IOM/BHX fell by 8% during April '08 compered to Apr '07.......This being the month which Flybe started their so called 'amazingly successful' double daily service. Also Flybe have not announced but have cut back IOM BHX flts by cancelling all Tue/Wed/Thur am services during May....
So much for Mr Rutter's statement
Ahmmmmmmmmm, we won't talk about their on time performance.
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Now don't be cheeky Cloud1....you may be able to quote the IOM punctuality statistics, no doubt from a Flybe source !! ( as I know that IOM airport wanted to publish punctuality statistics but a certain airline was unwilling to provide that information !!), but 'specifically' the BHX-IOM service has been extremely poor with regular 2hr plus delays, it is no surprise that their am services have been axed, as it was clear they couldn't operationally keep them on time .
Indeed the ontime performance of their other services have improved, certainly against this weeks EMX performance , but don't cloud over the BHX-IOM performance as being at that level.
Indeed the ontime performance of their other services have improved, certainly against this weeks EMX performance , but don't cloud over the BHX-IOM performance as being at that level.
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Yes I have gained it from a good source - me. It is handy working for the airline concerned......
I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one because I could argue it all day long but I cannot be bothered. Needless to say that performance on the IOM routes including BHX is not as bad as it is being portrayed on this thread.
I really do not believe that Flybe would not cooperate with punctuality statistics. The fact is that they are good, as you say way better than EMX at the moment and they have nothing to be ashamed of......maybe other sources are supplying wrong info.....who knows.
I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one because I could argue it all day long but I cannot be bothered. Needless to say that performance on the IOM routes including BHX is not as bad as it is being portrayed on this thread.
I really do not believe that Flybe would not cooperate with punctuality statistics. The fact is that they are good, as you say way better than EMX at the moment and they have nothing to be ashamed of......maybe other sources are supplying wrong info.....who knows.
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Cloud 1 & OE-HBB
Seen as you are both in the know, what is the on-time performance on the Birmingham - Isle of Man route.
How do the figures stack up comparing Flybe and Eastern who happen to fly this route 3 times a day?
Seen as you are both in the know, what is the on-time performance on the Birmingham - Isle of Man route.
How do the figures stack up comparing Flybe and Eastern who happen to fly this route 3 times a day?
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Flybe Agree To Move Euromanx Passengers
Flybe Offers Free Airfare Rescue Deal To Euromanx Passengers
09 May 2008
Low cost airline throws immediate life-line to stranded travellers
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional low cost airline, has stepped in to immediately rescue stranded Euromanx passengers after the Isle of Man-based airline today announced that it was going into receivership.
All passengers in possession of ticketed Euromanx bookings for Manchester and Liverpool flights can immediately re-book their free replacement tickets with Flybe. These tickets will be completely free of all taxes and airport charges. Flybe commits to making every effort possible to re-accommodate passengers as close as is possible to their original Euromanx flight date and time. Re-bookings must be made by the end of June and re-accommodation is subject to availability.
Customers to London City will be able to re-book with Flybe, subject to availability, for travel up until May 31st, 2008. In the meantime, Flybe hopes that VLM can be persuaded to put together a rescue package for the London City route.
To re-book, customers need to telephone our Customer Call Centre on 0871 522 6157. To avoid unnecessary waiting, passengers with bookings in the next 10 days should be the only ones to call before May 12th. Passengers will need to show proof of Euromanx booking on arrival at the airport prior to travel and this will need to match the forward bookings list that will be provided by Euromanx .
Flybe’s generous rescue deal will offer an immediate lifeline to passengers who have already booked with Euromanx but now find themselves without a flight, especially given the unfortunate timing as the busy summer season gathers momentum.
Mike Rutter, Chief Commercial Officer, Flybe, comments: “Flybe understands the vital role that air travel has to an island community. We are therefore pleased to be able to step in and offer stranded Euromanx passengers not just the opportunity to re-book with Flybe but to travel with us free of charge.”
He also stresses that Flybe will be working closely with the Isle of Man Government with a view to offering some Euromanx employees who find themselves displaced, the opportunity to take up any suitable employment that may exist within the Flybe organisation.
“In our commitment to serving the people of the Isle of Man, we are determined to do all we can to minimise the impact of Euromanx’ demise, not only to those it employed but also to those passengers who need to continue with their travel arrangements with as little disruption as is possible under the circumstances.”
Passengers not immediately affected but looking to book tickets for future travel are advised to book online as soon as possible at www.flybe.com for the best possible fares over the upcoming busy summer period. Prices start from just £18.99 one way including taxes and charges.
AVAILABLE ROUTES:
Isle of Man to Liverpool - Fares from £18.99
Isle of Man to Manchester - Fares from £18.99
Isle of Man to London Gatwick - Fares from £34.99
Isle of Man to London Luton - Fares from £34.99
Isle of Man to Birmingham - Fares from £29.99
Isle of Man to Jersey - Fares from £54.99
Isle of Man to Newquay - Fares from £44.99
Isle of Man to Southampton - Fares from £34.99
All fares are one way, including taxes and charges, and subject to availability.
09 May 2008
Low cost airline throws immediate life-line to stranded travellers
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional low cost airline, has stepped in to immediately rescue stranded Euromanx passengers after the Isle of Man-based airline today announced that it was going into receivership.
All passengers in possession of ticketed Euromanx bookings for Manchester and Liverpool flights can immediately re-book their free replacement tickets with Flybe. These tickets will be completely free of all taxes and airport charges. Flybe commits to making every effort possible to re-accommodate passengers as close as is possible to their original Euromanx flight date and time. Re-bookings must be made by the end of June and re-accommodation is subject to availability.
Customers to London City will be able to re-book with Flybe, subject to availability, for travel up until May 31st, 2008. In the meantime, Flybe hopes that VLM can be persuaded to put together a rescue package for the London City route.
To re-book, customers need to telephone our Customer Call Centre on 0871 522 6157. To avoid unnecessary waiting, passengers with bookings in the next 10 days should be the only ones to call before May 12th. Passengers will need to show proof of Euromanx booking on arrival at the airport prior to travel and this will need to match the forward bookings list that will be provided by Euromanx .
Flybe’s generous rescue deal will offer an immediate lifeline to passengers who have already booked with Euromanx but now find themselves without a flight, especially given the unfortunate timing as the busy summer season gathers momentum.
Mike Rutter, Chief Commercial Officer, Flybe, comments: “Flybe understands the vital role that air travel has to an island community. We are therefore pleased to be able to step in and offer stranded Euromanx passengers not just the opportunity to re-book with Flybe but to travel with us free of charge.”
He also stresses that Flybe will be working closely with the Isle of Man Government with a view to offering some Euromanx employees who find themselves displaced, the opportunity to take up any suitable employment that may exist within the Flybe organisation.
“In our commitment to serving the people of the Isle of Man, we are determined to do all we can to minimise the impact of Euromanx’ demise, not only to those it employed but also to those passengers who need to continue with their travel arrangements with as little disruption as is possible under the circumstances.”
Passengers not immediately affected but looking to book tickets for future travel are advised to book online as soon as possible at www.flybe.com for the best possible fares over the upcoming busy summer period. Prices start from just £18.99 one way including taxes and charges.
AVAILABLE ROUTES:
Isle of Man to Liverpool - Fares from £18.99
Isle of Man to Manchester - Fares from £18.99
Isle of Man to London Gatwick - Fares from £34.99
Isle of Man to London Luton - Fares from £34.99
Isle of Man to Birmingham - Fares from £29.99
Isle of Man to Jersey - Fares from £54.99
Isle of Man to Newquay - Fares from £44.99
Isle of Man to Southampton - Fares from £34.99
All fares are one way, including taxes and charges, and subject to availability.
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Manx2 Are to allow Belfast passengers to travel for free.
http://www.manx2.com/manx2/I7/EN/images/ma...xPassengers.pdf
http://www.manx2.com/manx2/I7/EN/images/ma...xPassengers.pdf
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So what does the future hold?
EMX carried 17,500 pax last month. Will FlyBe have sufficient capacity to cope, particularly to/from LPL and MAN, or will we now see the pricing ratchet up "due to demand"?
EMX carried 17,500 pax last month. Will FlyBe have sufficient capacity to cope, particularly to/from LPL and MAN, or will we now see the pricing ratchet up "due to demand"?