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Yes they will. But that is why BA closed the route in the first place - to make the LGW route look fatter for disposal.
I said to my mother that I would have to consider two visits a year and not three because the LGW journey is so much more time consuming and expensive for me.
I understand that, to effect this, one of the MAN rotations has been shifted to LTN and I am all well aware of the problems of setting up contracts for a field to handle just one rotation a day (four a week at first).
I would not be surprised if the LGW is reduced to only three a day but the reduction in capacity effected by the Q400 from the 146/RJ may have the same effect.
I said to my mother that I would have to consider two visits a year and not three because the LGW journey is so much more time consuming and expensive for me.
I understand that, to effect this, one of the MAN rotations has been shifted to LTN and I am all well aware of the problems of setting up contracts for a field to handle just one rotation a day (four a week at first).
I would not be surprised if the LGW is reduced to only three a day but the reduction in capacity effected by the Q400 from the 146/RJ may have the same effect.
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The 5 flights a day to MAN with BE appear to rarely have loads that are nearing full capacity. By reducing to 4 a day then it should improve the loads on each flight although there is a danger of pax travelling on the euromanx 1450 service. Other problem is increasing the capacity from 49 to 78. There has been talk of LTN going daily next summer and one would hope this will happen if the route is sucessful this winter.
Another point, well done to all involved with the IOM routes over the last 2 - 3 weeks, punctuality has been back to the standards expected!! There only seems to be small infrequent delays such as 20 min due to a tech a/c. Given though that the last LGW arrival has a nasty habit of picking up a slot that can see it arriving at 1030! Just a shame more people haven't picked up on this improvement. many were so quick to criticise!! well done Flybe, Flight Support and all the others involved - keep it up.
Any news on how bookings for GLO are going with Manx2.com??
Another point, well done to all involved with the IOM routes over the last 2 - 3 weeks, punctuality has been back to the standards expected!! There only seems to be small infrequent delays such as 20 min due to a tech a/c. Given though that the last LGW arrival has a nasty habit of picking up a slot that can see it arriving at 1030! Just a shame more people haven't picked up on this improvement. many were so quick to criticise!! well done Flybe, Flight Support and all the others involved - keep it up.
Any news on how bookings for GLO are going with Manx2.com??
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As far as the IOM/LGW route is concerned, I agree that punctuality has improved. After using EMX to LCY after a horrid experience in the early FlyBe days, I have just done 2 returns with FlyBe and with the exception of the disgrace that is LGW South I have no complaints. On the last trip back to the IoM FlyBe was able to switch us to an earlier flight despite arriving at the ticket desk 45 minutes before departure time. Parting with the extra cash still left us with a total ticket price no greater than our average EMX spend, and significantly less than the previous BA Connect price. Well done FlyBe!
Now if you could just move to LGW North......
Now if you could just move to LGW North......
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Now if you could just move to LGW North......or even better LHR.
Now if you could just interline my luggage again.
Now if you could just bring back those yummy hot breakfasts.
Sorry I'm dreaming. Manx aviation is in the pits just now. We didnt realise it at the time, but Manx Airlines and British Airways were the glory days.
Now if you could just interline my luggage again.
Now if you could just bring back those yummy hot breakfasts.
Sorry I'm dreaming. Manx aviation is in the pits just now. We didnt realise it at the time, but Manx Airlines and British Airways were the glory days.
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Actually the full fare fully flexible Manx fare wasn't much different to today.
I operated all this last week on lates and firstly an apology to anyone who was sat there in the heat...we tried our very best to keep the temperature down without the APU, but without a good breeze, and good communication with the rear cabin crew to work the doors to best effect, there's only so much we can do.
The Slots outbound have been pretty harsh as well, mid summer stuff, and nothing we can do. sorry again.
Believe me, there are few airlines that operate into LGW South, particularly Pier 1, who don't have North Terminal on the top of their wish list. We're working on it, promise.
Flybe have made positive moves to ensure standby capacity in Manchester, so the delays that dogged May and early June are now a thing of the past. The worst part of the transition is behind them now and the only goings on to put up with now is the Sub Chartered LGW service next month while local crews are training up on the Q400. Come October, it will be all local crew again and the landings will get smoother as we get the hang of the new aircraft.
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I also miss the Hot Breakfasts, Scones and hot towels. The Sovereign service was the reason Manx never put a two class service on the IOM-LHR route. Everyone got the star treatment.
The world moves on, unfortunately. FlyBE still offers a few bells and whistles with the Plus option, and very soon, they'll be doing a lot more for the Island's environment than the poor 146 can. The weekly fuel savings would fill the NSC alone!
The full service airline is a great idea, but costs mean you really do get what you pay for more directly nowadays. So many passengers are really price sensitive now, and if you can't compete on fare alone, you've more or less had it in the marketplace.
I operated all this last week on lates and firstly an apology to anyone who was sat there in the heat...we tried our very best to keep the temperature down without the APU, but without a good breeze, and good communication with the rear cabin crew to work the doors to best effect, there's only so much we can do.
The Slots outbound have been pretty harsh as well, mid summer stuff, and nothing we can do. sorry again.
Believe me, there are few airlines that operate into LGW South, particularly Pier 1, who don't have North Terminal on the top of their wish list. We're working on it, promise.
Flybe have made positive moves to ensure standby capacity in Manchester, so the delays that dogged May and early June are now a thing of the past. The worst part of the transition is behind them now and the only goings on to put up with now is the Sub Chartered LGW service next month while local crews are training up on the Q400. Come October, it will be all local crew again and the landings will get smoother as we get the hang of the new aircraft.
Chica,
I also miss the Hot Breakfasts, Scones and hot towels. The Sovereign service was the reason Manx never put a two class service on the IOM-LHR route. Everyone got the star treatment.
The world moves on, unfortunately. FlyBE still offers a few bells and whistles with the Plus option, and very soon, they'll be doing a lot more for the Island's environment than the poor 146 can. The weekly fuel savings would fill the NSC alone!
The full service airline is a great idea, but costs mean you really do get what you pay for more directly nowadays. So many passengers are really price sensitive now, and if you can't compete on fare alone, you've more or less had it in the marketplace.
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The figures for June are a strange phenomena.....the first 2 weeks saw every single a/c full from the IOM ......after 11Jun traffic dropped off dramatically, therefore we saw a situation whereby the supposed mass transport for the TT was offset by the calm after the storm for the rest of the month, resulting in pretty average traffic results for the whole month.
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From The IoM departures board today
MX512 Belfast City MX Compania Mexicana De Aviacion 09:30
With an arrival from Belfast later
What on earth is that about? Another operator for M2?
MX512 Belfast City MX Compania Mexicana De Aviacion 09:30
With an arrival from Belfast later
What on earth is that about? Another operator for M2?
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MX512 Belfast City MX Compania Mexicana De Aviacion 09:30
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MX is used on the boarding cards as it was not expected to see Mexicana at Ronaldsway....made more sense than using the flt code designator for Van Air (BPS)....or so I've been told.
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The thread seems very quiet. Latest rumours appear to be of FlyBe paying attention to IOM-DUB and BHD. sounds like there could be some interest in these route! as well as this BHX could go twice daily next Spring alongside a twice daily LTN route if loads are good through the winter. However it is hard to see FlyBe carrying out LPL route which is rumoured. Also don't be suprised to see a similair operation to GVA next summer. Rumoured destinations include APG or BCN. Would be a good move at first site. APG was tried by EuroManx although they tried a lot!! Will have to wait and see. Would seem these Flybe Developments could mean a third IOM based A/C.
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I know that Flybe will be basing a third q400 aircraft on the IOM imminently - initially as an operational spare to improve the robustness of the local operation.
All the new IOM effos and the remainder of the IOM based 146/145Capts start their q400 courses at Farnborough next week.
The latest pax figs for the airport make interesting reading - although they're doing quite a bit better on the MAN route ( no doubt capitalising on the problems Flybe had during the BAConnect transition) , the Euros seem to have taken a bit of a hit on the LPL route.
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All the new IOM effos and the remainder of the IOM based 146/145Capts start their q400 courses at Farnborough next week.
The latest pax figs for the airport make interesting reading - although they're doing quite a bit better on the MAN route ( no doubt capitalising on the problems Flybe had during the BAConnect transition) , the Euros seem to have taken a bit of a hit on the LPL route.
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Well thank goodness for that. Having endured the delays WDL have inflicted (crew taxi fails to pick them up, so 0650 LGW delayed; next day crew delayed the previous day are out of hours so 0650 LGW delayed again..ugh. 
And their 146-100 is registered D-AWDL - dawdle, geddit!) I would really like to get a schedule I (and others seeking a connection beyond LGW) can rely on.
I'm sure that once the Q400 a/c settles down the service will be good. But there are many Manxies who've turned to the Steam Packet to ensure they get to their holiday destination - they will need to be convinced that they can rely on the FlyBe service to get them to the UK on time and on the same day before they spend their pennies on FlyBe tickets.
The sooner the service gains stability the better. For punters; for crew; for all. FlyBe management have a lot of work to do to overcome the badwill the BAConnect takeover has generated.
I know that Flybe will be basing a third q400 aircraft on the IOM imminently - initially as an operational spare to improve the robustness of the local operation
And their 146-100 is registered D-AWDL - dawdle, geddit!) I would really like to get a schedule I (and others seeking a connection beyond LGW) can rely on.I'm sure that once the Q400 a/c settles down the service will be good. But there are many Manxies who've turned to the Steam Packet to ensure they get to their holiday destination - they will need to be convinced that they can rely on the FlyBe service to get them to the UK on time and on the same day before they spend their pennies on FlyBe tickets.
The sooner the service gains stability the better. For punters; for crew; for all. FlyBe management have a lot of work to do to overcome the badwill the BAConnect takeover has generated.
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Why don't we all forget about BE and just fly M2 to the Northwest and Belfast! lol!
I cannot see BE operating the BHD route with Euromanx already suffering the blow from the M2 revolution - lower fares and higher frequencies. BE would not be able to compete with the frequencies and still have an operational load. Sure, they could operate twice daily but would they be able to fill 78 seats each way? I don't think so!
If BE were to operate to AGP, then they would have to use an E195 to make it economical, this would then mean bringing in an aircraft from SOU or MAN to operate the flights. This would probably be the best option but cannot see it happening soon, maybe summer 09?
I can also not see LPL being launched. They have been able to hold loads on the SOU and had major plans for the airport, but then they started talks with BA over CitiExpress and decided against the LPL expansion and concentrated on MAN. The SOU will be cancelled from LPL next week. The only route operating from LPL with BE will be JER flights on Saturdays during the summer months.
I cannot see BE operating the BHD route with Euromanx already suffering the blow from the M2 revolution - lower fares and higher frequencies. BE would not be able to compete with the frequencies and still have an operational load. Sure, they could operate twice daily but would they be able to fill 78 seats each way? I don't think so!
If BE were to operate to AGP, then they would have to use an E195 to make it economical, this would then mean bringing in an aircraft from SOU or MAN to operate the flights. This would probably be the best option but cannot see it happening soon, maybe summer 09?
I can also not see LPL being launched. They have been able to hold loads on the SOU and had major plans for the airport, but then they started talks with BA over CitiExpress and decided against the LPL expansion and concentrated on MAN. The SOU will be cancelled from LPL next week. The only route operating from LPL with BE will be JER flights on Saturdays during the summer months.
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Not forgetting D-AWDL replaced D-AMGL on the LGW after it was errr DAMGed!!. Was not all of crews own fault. With a Smaller aircraft than was required for the seats sold there was alsways going to be problems. With the first Q4 in things have been not to bad this weekend.