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Just another kick in the teeth for Flybe Don't you mean the passengers? They should have arrived from Manchester at 09:40 ish, only to get back at 17:00, oh but don't worry, they did get a £3.00 refreshment voucher. All good fun at £220 return 
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Exactly
Ransman - are you fully aware of what is going on?? not at all Flybe's fault. Instead of just cancelling everything and saying heres a refund bog off, the airline has subchartered about 10 aircraft ranging from D-300 size to B733 so they are doing there best.
Ransman - are you fully aware of what is going on?? not at all Flybe's fault. Instead of just cancelling everything and saying heres a refund bog off, the airline has subchartered about 10 aircraft ranging from D-300 size to B733 so they are doing there best.
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Well said "Haven't a clue",
She obviously does not want to admit that MAN,LPL,LBA,BPL are all essentially one market which they have to share with the ferry and the ratios may change but the total will stay about the same depending on the fares etc. The same also applies to LCY,LGW,SOU and shortly LTN and also probably BHX. As one goes down in numbers others rise but the totals stay basically the same.
It also says something when the cheapest fare to London is via GLA or EDI
She obviously does not want to admit that MAN,LPL,LBA,BPL are all essentially one market which they have to share with the ferry and the ratios may change but the total will stay about the same depending on the fares etc. The same also applies to LCY,LGW,SOU and shortly LTN and also probably BHX. As one goes down in numbers others rise but the totals stay basically the same.
It also says something when the cheapest fare to London is via GLA or EDI
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The LTN route cannot be blamed for everything that has gone wrong with pax figures. At four times a week the BE service will not be enough to compensate even though sales are going well. The GLA and EDI prices will come down next year when BE take up the route with the third Q400. Overall yes FlyBe are doing all they can but pax will not understand this to them a delay is a delay (except id if it euromanx then its a rescheduling!!) But BE are doing all they can. In particular Flight Support have become professionals at handling delays. 
Alll it will take is time for it to bed in. Bizarre decision to send the -300 to LGW and 400 to MAN yesterday morning. messed up schedule for rest of the day
) But BE are doing all they can. In particular Flight Support have become professionals at handling delays. Alll it will take is time for it to bed in. Bizarre decision to send the -300 to LGW and 400 to MAN yesterday morning. messed up schedule for rest of the day
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According to the 'mayfly' - The 51p went to BHD to operate BHD-NQY-BHD and came back to The Rock as the 52p, presumably to cover for a q400.
The take over doesn't happen til next month
The take over doesn't happen til next month
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I rather hope Flybe do not start flying to GLA or EDI as actually I find the service from Loganair pretty good and the connections available via BA are also useful. Flybe would struggle to fill a Q400 even once a day. What we really need is a double rotation to enable daytrips to take place.
So is it really true that EMX are taking over Flybe
I rather hope Flybe do not start flying to GLA or EDI as actually I find the service from Loganair pretty good and the connections available via BA are also useful. Flybe would struggle to fill a Q400 even once a day. What we really need is a double rotation to enable daytrips to take place.
So is it really true that EMX are taking over Flybe
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Yes but look at the SOU route. Eastern used to struggle to get decent loads (yes ok pricing structure etc completely diffrent....) and now with BE operating the route it reguarly has loads of between 40 and 50.
The takeover of FlyBe is subject to competition commission approval!! lol
The takeover of FlyBe is subject to competition commission approval!! lol
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Well, as you may have seen from the Blue Islands thread, they are introducing a Dornier 328 on the IOM route Monday to Friday from early November, and adding a Sunday rotation in also!
The extra capacity is a good move, as loads of late have been very good two thirds full to full each day.
Good Work
The extra capacity is a good move, as loads of late have been very good two thirds full to full each day.
Good Work
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This should mean a reduction in price then surely?
If so, we could see an even greater demand!
Good to see that islands are able to work between each other without using the mainland as a connection point!
Good luck Blue Islands!
If so, we could see an even greater demand!
Good to see that islands are able to work between each other without using the mainland as a connection point!
Good luck Blue Islands!
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September PAX numbers for IOM
The September numbers are now out. Another grim month down 7.9% or nearly 5600 pax.
http://www.iom-airport.com/news/view...cdowntomaj.xml
Niche players/markets all doing well including nearly 1200 to/from Gloucester.
Airport Director still harping on about Luton, but the reality is that many of those 'lost' numbers are propping up Gatwick and must contribute to the big rise in Southampton too. The penny is beginning to drop on where the real problem is - they are being slaughtered on LPL and MAN by the Steam Packet on fares, and numbers via Douglas Harbour are well up - 40,000 odd year to date. That said, FlyBE now have excellent deals to MAN but these won't kick into the numbers for a couple of months, when the extra seats on the Q400 become available.
Euromanx down 10.9% - all routes down except MAN, where they are still a distant second best to FlyBE, and stand to be hammered when the new A/C, and fares mentioned above start to bite. They are 1000 adrift on LCY which must be hitting their bottom line hard but VLM still ticking over nicely on this route with their daily positioning flight, which must be a major thorn Euromanx side.
New Euromanx owners have a lot to think about - their position now looks it's most precarious since the days of the Paris and Galway RJ70 nonsense !
http://www.iom-airport.com/news/view...cdowntomaj.xml
Niche players/markets all doing well including nearly 1200 to/from Gloucester.
Airport Director still harping on about Luton, but the reality is that many of those 'lost' numbers are propping up Gatwick and must contribute to the big rise in Southampton too. The penny is beginning to drop on where the real problem is - they are being slaughtered on LPL and MAN by the Steam Packet on fares, and numbers via Douglas Harbour are well up - 40,000 odd year to date. That said, FlyBE now have excellent deals to MAN but these won't kick into the numbers for a couple of months, when the extra seats on the Q400 become available.
Euromanx down 10.9% - all routes down except MAN, where they are still a distant second best to FlyBE, and stand to be hammered when the new A/C, and fares mentioned above start to bite. They are 1000 adrift on LCY which must be hitting their bottom line hard but VLM still ticking over nicely on this route with their daily positioning flight, which must be a major thorn Euromanx side.
New Euromanx owners have a lot to think about - their position now looks it's most precarious since the days of the Paris and Galway RJ70 nonsense !
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Many thanks for your succinct and balanced summary of the current aviation scene on the Isle of Man. We all look forward to your 3rd contribution to these forums.
Many thanks for your succinct and balanced summary of the current aviation scene on the Isle of Man. We all look forward to your 3rd contribution to these forums.
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What is significant though is that the routes flown by aircraft with less than 19 seats are growing. Less than 19 seats means no Air Passenger Duty, which means £20 less "taxes and charges". Equally significant is that no APD equivalent is levied on the ferries, whose traffic, even after allowing for the 100th Aniversary TT boost, is also growing.
The losers are those carriers whose ticket price has to include APD.
What is often overlooked is that the IoM Government happily followed Greedy Gordon's lead and imposed APD when it was not obliged to do so. AFAIK Jersey and Guernsey didn't (correct me if I'm wrong). So if Ronaldsway's airport director want's to stimulate traffic on the LPL/MAN/LGW/LCY routes, she should be lobbying for the IoM Government to drop their APD charge. That would at least tilt the playing field a little nearer to level.
(Of course the more probable outcome is the imposition of APD or an equivalent on all forms of transport...)
The losers are those carriers whose ticket price has to include APD.
What is often overlooked is that the IoM Government happily followed Greedy Gordon's lead and imposed APD when it was not obliged to do so. AFAIK Jersey and Guernsey didn't (correct me if I'm wrong). So if Ronaldsway's airport director want's to stimulate traffic on the LPL/MAN/LGW/LCY routes, she should be lobbying for the IoM Government to drop their APD charge. That would at least tilt the playing field a little nearer to level.
(Of course the more probable outcome is the imposition of APD or an equivalent on all forms of transport...)
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Could we see any new routes from IOM?
In Airliner World, there was an article about IOM and the 'boss' said they are looking for a twice daily on the BHX and SOU from BE and looking for an airline to launch AMS.
So along with AMS, are there any other routes that could work?
I thought that ABZ (EZE), ORK (RE), BOH (NM), OXF (NM) could work. Obviously not all at once!
In Airliner World, there was an article about IOM and the 'boss' said they are looking for a twice daily on the BHX and SOU from BE and looking for an airline to launch AMS.
So along with AMS, are there any other routes that could work?
I thought that ABZ (EZE), ORK (RE), BOH (NM), OXF (NM) could work. Obviously not all at once!
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New exec jet hub?
Saw an article on BBC local news that plans were underway for an exec jet hub to be built at EGNS. Looked like it was in the area of the Aviation museum? The article said if planning approval came through it could be open within 12 months. Here's to the new NetJets base!
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FlyBe going all out to prove some sort of point, whether it be improving pax figures, finish off euromanx or just repair their reputation is up for debate. However there are now many fares availble that are only taxes, no fare!! so you can book MAN-IOM return for 49 GBP!!! Hard to see EuroManx competing with this. On a plus note for them the BHD figures have improved in recent weeks. LCY moving to 0725 should help matters in that area. mean while manx2 still improving!
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Can anyone explain......
....Why the difference in taxes for these two flights ?
Fri 11 Jan 2008
Depart 16:00 Arrive 16:45
Isle of Man (IOM) to Manchester (MAN)
Fare £ 0.00
Taxes and Charges £ 24.99
Fri 11 Jan 2008
Depart 18:40 Arrive 19:25
Isle of Man (IOM) to Manchester (MAN)
Fare £ 1.49
Taxes and Charges £ 33.50
Fri 11 Jan 2008
Depart 16:00 Arrive 16:45
Isle of Man (IOM) to Manchester (MAN)
Fare £ 0.00
Taxes and Charges £ 24.99
Fri 11 Jan 2008
Depart 18:40 Arrive 19:25
Isle of Man (IOM) to Manchester (MAN)
Fare £ 1.49
Taxes and Charges £ 33.50