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This is a point I have raised previously on this (or maybe another) messageboard.
There needs to be greater transparency on so-called "taxes and charges".
Unless the Airports levy different "taxes and charges" at different times of the day, (unlikely) in the example quoted above there is clearly something fishy happening.
There needs to be greater transparency on so-called "taxes and charges".
Unless the Airports levy different "taxes and charges" at different times of the day, (unlikely) in the example quoted above there is clearly something fishy happening.
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The IOM airport charge for pax handling is actually variable and not fixed, whilst not time dependent, it is load dependent. Perhaps an assesment of the anticipated load factor has been made and charges levied accordingly.
http://www.iom-airport.com/lib/docs/...ternal0708.pdf
I note that for similar flights on the same day, EM levy a constant charge of £28, so in one instance Flybe is cheaper, and more expensive in the other.
http://www.iom-airport.com/lib/docs/...ternal0708.pdf
I note that for similar flights on the same day, EM levy a constant charge of £28, so in one instance Flybe is cheaper, and more expensive in the other.
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Taxes and charges vary for each airport throughout the country. Unfortunately, they also vary with some charging only for arrivals and some only for departures.
Whilst I accept that there should maybe be more transparency with taxes (ie) airlines operating between the same airports should be charging the same in taxes and charges, it would appear that for Flybe to offer fares at £24.99 on the route then they are effectively nowhere close to even covering their own costs.
Whilst I accept that there should maybe be more transparency with taxes (ie) airlines operating between the same airports should be charging the same in taxes and charges, it would appear that for Flybe to offer fares at £24.99 on the route then they are effectively nowhere close to even covering their own costs.
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Sadly, taxes and charges are exactly whatever the airline wants them to be. Imagine the uproar if a petrol station advertised petrol at 0.0p per litre but when you fill up added 101.9p per litre taxes and charges to you bill
The fare offered by Flybe is very good and I doubt if Euromanx has the financial clout to match it even if they wanted to, but let us see it as it is, a promotional fare to try to see EMX of the route and get some passenger goodwill back after their performance over the summer
The fare offered by Flybe is very good and I doubt if Euromanx has the financial clout to match it even if they wanted to, but let us see it as it is, a promotional fare to try to see EMX of the route and get some passenger goodwill back after their performance over the summer
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My first impression of the FlyBe example is that the earlier flight has no fare payable whilst the second has £1.49 fare. As the booking has a fare payable it probably incurrs admin fees and other booking charges etc... is the only thing I can see to be the reason.
New Contract for the ever expanding Flight Support, VLM in manchester appears to be next... As does new routes out of MAN for VLM although i wouldn't hold your breath to see IOM-MAN with them. AMS-IOM perhaps though?? the airport are pushing for the route, although with improved rail links between London and Paris would LHR not be a better proposition? Airlines looking for alternative slot uses, yes given there are far more profitable routes than IOM although if Government wanted it surely they could sweet talk BMI or such??
Random post today... long day in IOM
New Contract for the ever expanding Flight Support, VLM in manchester appears to be next... As does new routes out of MAN for VLM although i wouldn't hold your breath to see IOM-MAN with them. AMS-IOM perhaps though?? the airport are pushing for the route, although with improved rail links between London and Paris would LHR not be a better proposition? Airlines looking for alternative slot uses, yes given there are far more profitable routes than IOM although if Government wanted it surely they could sweet talk BMI or such??
Random post today... long day in IOM
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some of the comments made here do make me laugh especially that of manx crab.
The £0.00 fare is a promotional one where Flybe absorbs part of the tax. The other is not and therefore the full tax will apply.
The £0.00 fare is a promotional one where Flybe absorbs part of the tax. The other is not and therefore the full tax will apply.
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So why bother to split fare and tax etc - why not promote the fare as say £20.00? This is where the airline industry looses credibility. They split the fare between "fare" and "taxes". The realitity is it costs x to go from a to b. No matter how you dice it, the total is always x. Why not display some honesty and just quote inclusive fares? They used to before oil got pricey, before insurance shot up (surely that increase must have disappeared by now?) and before LPL and others demanded an extra charge for fast track security.
And pigs will fly...
And pigs will fly...
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They used to before last week too. It is only within the booking process itself where this has been changed within the last week. At the time you select the fare it shows up on the same screen as the total including taxes instantaneously.
It is cheeky, but they'll probably escape a knuckle rapping over it. At the end of the day I don't really see the point in what they're doing, I don't understand how they're going to turn it into any kind of competitive advantage over the system they used last week.
It is cheeky, but they'll probably escape a knuckle rapping over it. At the end of the day I don't really see the point in what they're doing, I don't understand how they're going to turn it into any kind of competitive advantage over the system they used last week.
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Why taxes and charges are shown separately
Historically, taxes applied by governments were shown separately, both to show the consumers what was out of the airlines control, and also to simplify airline systems - i.e. the fare is ours, but the taxes are the government(s).
The Air Passenger Duty increased the tax take in the UK and the Isle of Man Government wisely joined the party, because otherwise the UK Government would have collected the return portion and pocketed it themselves.
The key change occurred when Duty Free within the European Union was withdrawn. The airlines were concerned that the airports would recover their lost retail revenue, by surreptitiously increasing their (hidden) charges to the airlines. So, the major airlines, (and all the smaller ones were compelled to follow suit), decided to show the airport charges to the public. Because of the complexity of the airports charging mechanisms, the charges shown to the public become inevitably complex. This lack of transparency, creates a mistrust with the public.
In my view, fares should always be shown inclusive of all taxes and charges, in the same way that all retail businesses have to show their fares inclusive of VAT. It requires an extension of existing UK, and IOM legislation.
Simple really!!
The Air Passenger Duty increased the tax take in the UK and the Isle of Man Government wisely joined the party, because otherwise the UK Government would have collected the return portion and pocketed it themselves.
The key change occurred when Duty Free within the European Union was withdrawn. The airlines were concerned that the airports would recover their lost retail revenue, by surreptitiously increasing their (hidden) charges to the airlines. So, the major airlines, (and all the smaller ones were compelled to follow suit), decided to show the airport charges to the public. Because of the complexity of the airports charging mechanisms, the charges shown to the public become inevitably complex. This lack of transparency, creates a mistrust with the public.
In my view, fares should always be shown inclusive of all taxes and charges, in the same way that all retail businesses have to show their fares inclusive of VAT. It requires an extension of existing UK, and IOM legislation.
Simple really!!
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Rumour in the Railway
Talk in the Railway today 
was that Air South West are coming in on a wet lease to do LCY and MAN for 3W. One of the Dash8's is being sold to ASW and wet leased back and the other turned into cash. BHD to be canned from 26/12. ASW have apparently been doing steep approach training at LCY in readiness.
was that Air South West are coming in on a wet lease to do LCY and MAN for 3W. One of the Dash8's is being sold to ASW and wet leased back and the other turned into cash. BHD to be canned from 26/12. ASW have apparently been doing steep approach training at LCY in readiness.
. He's nobody's fool .
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I think you will find that they are outsourcing their Ticket Desk and Keeping their Reservations staff.
Outsourcing Ticket Desk in this age of e-Tickets is normal. Flight Support are the Ticket Desk agent for FlyBe.
Outsourcing Ticket Desk in this age of e-Tickets is normal. Flight Support are the Ticket Desk agent for FlyBe.
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mirdif : I do not think you need to panic about your flights in December. I have some booked in a few weeks and am not bothered at all. If they were going to go under they would have gone a long time ago after the mess WS left them in. It is more a case now in my opinion of no capital to expand or grow or get a critical mass. The death by a thousand cuts on the EMX thread is probably right.
I have been pretty impressed by the Air Southwest setup on the IOM-Man route and we could do worse than have them take over LCY and LPL. Whether it would fit their business model is another matter.
Still not long now till Luton saves the day for us all
I have been pretty impressed by the Air Southwest setup on the IOM-Man route and we could do worse than have them take over LCY and LPL. Whether it would fit their business model is another matter.
Still not long now till Luton saves the day for us all
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Less than 24 hours to go until the arrival of LTN!! Anybody could feel the excitement round IOM today as it approaches.... OR NOT!
Well the second Q400 arrived CE today. Sat on a remote stand waiting its big moment. Sounds like first flight has a good load booked... lets wait and see
Well the second Q400 arrived CE today. Sat on a remote stand waiting its big moment. Sounds like first flight has a good load booked... lets wait and see
